bronxblue

August 5th, 2021 at 5:48 PM ^

Beyond the fact that "all deaths that occurred at any time are equal and definitely don't reflect different times in the pandemic and the relative responsibility of people in charge", the post was about recent handling.  To that end, Florida is averaging 70 deaths a day per COVID over the past week; NY is at 7 and NJ is at 5.  

So no, Florida is handling COVID awfully right now and acting like numbers from April 2020 are exactly as relevant as numbers from August 2021 is foolish.

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MaizeBlueA2

August 6th, 2021 at 7:37 AM ^

One of my favorite things in social media or message boards is when someone makes an ignorant post and someone else decides, "I have the time today" and comes behind them with calm, logic and facts and OBLITERATES their dumb ass post.

Damn, I'm so f*cking petty.

It's not the facts, we all say dumb shit from time to time. It's the fact that they take the type to craft a well thought out response. Energy that everyone else to that point chose not to expend.

But there's always one person willing to take 2 minutes to brighten my day.

It's like in Hangover when ol boy gets shot in the face with the taser by the kid and the cops are laughing. "OHHH! IN THE FACE! IN THE FAAAAACE!"

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tomer

August 5th, 2021 at 3:36 PM ^

I heard the vaccine makes you magnetic. Any chance we can we can slip small magnets into the game balls? Drops and fumbles will be a thing of the past...I suppose the QB's wouldn't be able to get vaxxed though. Might make it hard to throw the ball.

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The Homie J

August 5th, 2021 at 5:27 PM ^

Ryan Day said they're reallll close to 100% vaccinated.  If you've been watching other teams, the ones most likely to be entirely vaccinated are those with the best shot to make the CFP because nobody is risking their team's ability to make the postseason.  Imagine being a star Bama or Clemson player who doesn't get it and then has to sit out an important game.  Those coaches won't let that happen.  Hell Saban would likely administer the vaccine to the players himself of he has to just to reach 100%

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Blue@LSU

August 5th, 2021 at 4:03 PM ^

That's great news.

I just saw that LSU's football team is about 97% vaccinated, and 100% of the staff is as well. Unfortunately, only about 30% of the student body down here has self-reported getting at least one dose. 

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Eph97

August 5th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^

Good job. 18-22 year olds much smarter than a moron like selfish Kirk Cousins refusing to get vaxxed.

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kehnonymous

August 6th, 2021 at 8:24 AM ^

When you say “questionable” efficacy, I assume you are unaware of multiple studies, including this one, that have tested to see what the efficacy is, and that they are quite effective against the delta variant of COVID, albeit less so than the alpha variant.

Effectiveness after one dose of vaccine (BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was notably lower among persons with the delta variant (30.7%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 25.2 to 35.7) than among those with the alpha variant (48.7%; 95% CI, 45.5 to 51.7); the results were similar for both vaccines. With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant

While I confess that the survey did not test the efficacy of Kirk Coupon’s plexiglass both, I can say with absolute certainly that on a cost-per basis, the vaccines are far more efficient.

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Firstbase

August 6th, 2021 at 9:27 AM ^

How I wish all evidence pointed to vaccines being safe and effective, but there is quite a bit of evidence running counter to that narrative. For instance, on Face the Nation, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, Director of Public Health Services in Israel has stated that 50% of new COVID cases are among the fully vaccinated. So there's that. It's well known that Israel is chronologically ahead of us regarding vaccine implementation.

An unusual number of adverse reactions, and even deaths, seem also of concern. 

I think the jury is still out on these mRNA vaccines. Even Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, has stated that it's his belief that the vaccines are causing the virus to become more dangerous through antibody dependent enhancement.

Dr. Peter McCullough has pointed out that along with the alarming number of post-vaccine fatal occurrences, non-fatal post vaccine events affect the brain, heart, immune system and hematologic system. He's warning that his patients are seeing mRNA continuing to produce detrimental spike proteins long after inoculation. It's his contention that the body begins to attack its own cells because the spike proteins (which are not remaing localized at the injection site, but rather spread throughout the body) are expressing themselves on the cells' surfaces causing complications. Further, D-dimer blood tests are showing micro-clotting at the capillary level in as many as 62% of vaccinated people. 

Fingers crossed for good outcomes all the way around.

 

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kehnonymous

August 6th, 2021 at 10:37 AM ^

Regarding the 50% of new cases in Israel being vaccinated people, you're missing some key context:

Israel is close to a 90% fully vaxxed rate.  So, roughly 9 vaxxed people to 1 non-vaxxed. If half the *new* cases are vaxxed people, that means that the other half are non-vaxxed.  Given that there are 9 times as many vaxxed people, that points to the vaccines being effective at preventing infection.  If it wasn't you'd see a substantially higher ratio of vaxxed to nonvaxxed in new cases.

And that's before we take into account that the number of overall new cases is much lower than before we had vaccines.  Not to mention the fact that, of the people who have had to be hospitalized from COVID, virtually ALL of them were not vaccinated.

Obviously it's literally impossible to have any long-term data on the efficacy of the vaccines.  Given what we do know now, they're far better at preventing you from getting COVID than no vaccine at all, but not 100% guaranteed.  But they are just about 100% effective at saving you from being hospitalized from COVID, and there's also no evidence at all that they've caused any deaths, unless we're counting people who are vaccinated but die of unrelated causes (the vaccines do not make you immortal or give you 5G - I am using my works wifi to type this)

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Firstbase

August 6th, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^

While objective truth is hard to determine these days, I do believe that even the VAERS system acknowledges that there are thousands of deaths very likely caused by the COVID vaccines. 

Also, among other vaccine concerns, Dr. Ben Edwards cited a June 2021 New England Journal of Medicine preliminary study that of 827 pregnant women, 700 received the vaccine in the third trimester, the remaining 127 in the first or second trimester. Of the 127, 104 of them had a miscarriage. That should raise a red flag or two.

We're in such a frenzied state these days, and so anxious to return to normalcy, I fear we're not always thinking clearly about safe medical protocols. 

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kehnonymous

August 6th, 2021 at 11:14 AM ^

Regarding VAERS: that was from a CDC directive to report any deaths following vaccination, regardless of cause.  With millions of people, mostly elderly, getting vaccinated shortly after roll-out, there would obviously have been some deaths, but there's no evidence that any of them have been caused or associated with the vaccine.

For additional context (from fairly respectable and objective sources)

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-9318/fact-check-reports…

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/14/1004757554/anti-va…

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Regarding the study about miscarriages, that was also taken out of context:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-pregnancy/fact-check-…

I'd encourage you to read up on why that concern is (as with basically all other anti-vax theories) overblown, but the rough summary is that the sample size of 827 women were actually only "completed pregnancies" - i.e., gave birth or sadly had a miscarriage or a stillbirth*.  The ACTUAL participation level was 3,958 pregnant women.  The bottom line, though, is there's no signficant difference in miscarriage rates between pregnant women with or without the vaccines.

* - also, as a small point of semantics, "stillbirth" is generally used after the 20th week, which I hadn't known

** - also, forgot to mention this earlier, but FYI Robert Malone's claim that he invented mRNA vaccines is also misleading

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