META: All 22 Access
I've heard Brian and Seth mention it before, and Brian mentioned again this week on the MGOPodcast about how they do not have access to the All 22. I know other people ( I believe Sam Web) get this access.
Is this just a private club that people have to be allowed into, or is it a financial thing? If it is indeed just a scenario where you have to pay a chunk for it, could the board put together the funding to get access to it?
I find it a bit odd that one of the football savvy, most in-depth blogs grading every down of Michigan football has to rely on TV camera angles to do so. UFRs are already incredible with the narrow field of view and would be even better if they didn't have to make so many assumptions due to so many important things happening out of camera shot. What's the solution here?
August 23rd, 2022 at 11:07 AM ^
This link goes into some of why the all 22 is hard to get a hold of.
I don’t like it, but I understand it.
August 27th, 2022 at 10:08 AM ^
That's an Open Records request, meaning you can't FOIA their film. Nobody even tried that before that court case. FOIA takes so long the film wouldn't be useful to us by the time they fulfill the request.
August 23rd, 2022 at 11:07 AM ^
Unfortunately it looks like Sam also won't have All 22 access this coming year. He mentioned it would be a $50k licensing fee in order to use it on the show so they had to scrap it for 2022.
A crowdfund of course *could* happen, but I think folks on this board would rather give it to the players at this point
August 23rd, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
I think Sam still has access to it; Fox just wanted $50K whenever they use it on the air which is why Michigan Insider had copyright/licensing issue in YouTube last year. It’s a bit ridiculous of CFB to play this charade when any fan can get access to NFL All 22. If the most competitive and film obsessed football league in the world allows any fan access for just $70 a year, CFB might as well do the same.
August 23rd, 2022 at 11:28 AM ^
Retention of rights to IP (intellectual property). No solutions without owner's release.
August 23rd, 2022 at 11:44 AM ^
If the blog crowd sources season tickets for me on the 50yd line, I will be happy to take my camcorder and film all-22 myself for the benefit of all future UFRs.
August 23rd, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^
I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed.
August 23rd, 2022 at 9:24 PM ^
Even with implied oral consent?
August 27th, 2022 at 10:10 AM ^
That's not allowed, but I've sat with the players' parents and they all do it. Some of them record every play their kid is in then go back and watch it during the breaks and do a mini-UFR right there.
If someone ever sent me all-22 they filmed themselves I wouldn't cut it up to share it on the site, but I wouldn't mind using it to inform my coverage.
August 23rd, 2022 at 12:04 PM ^
All-22 is a big, big missing piece in Michigan analysis; it is very difficult to consistently evaluate the passing game without it. We get hints and replays, but without the ability to chart every route on every down, it's basically impossible to see how all of this fits together. And thus hard to balance evaluations of QBs and techniques and receivers and route designs.
There have been a number of passing game frustrations over the past 10 years or so. Some of them are issues like, "they don't throw downfield enough," or "the QB isn't hitting open receivers," things like that. But without all-22, it's basically impossible to see how frequent different issues occur. Does the play design consistently do a good job scheming guys open, and the QB just flat reads poorly? Do we have receivers that are bad at running routes? Are we frustrated with a QB wrongly because Michigan calls the same pass pattern 10 times a game and the defense is all over it and the QB has no one to throw to?
We do not have good answers to this. We can get snapshots from all-22 replays on broadcasts, and snippets of playbooks, things that help color in the picture a bit. But we are still missing a lot of data. To this day I still wonder what, exactly, the differences are in pass route combinations between Pep Hamilton and Jedd Fisch and Josh Gattis. We just don't have a firm grip on it.
And if it is indeed $50k to get that footage, we won't have that firm grip any time in the near future. And we'll have to live with that.
August 23rd, 2022 at 12:53 PM ^
let's just buy Brian and Seth some nice drones?
August 23rd, 2022 at 1:08 PM ^
It'll be some nice target practice for the SWAT fellows above the club seats.
August 23rd, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^
Easy for me to say, but this seems like an excellent crowdsourcing project. There must be more than a few MGoBlog users in the top rows of the stadium. If they all filmed just a couple plays we'd have the whole game, right? They'd just need a place to drop the clips. And a naming convention, etc.
August 23rd, 2022 at 1:53 PM ^
For some reason coaches don't want the all 22 out in circulation. I don't get it because the opposing coaching staffs have access to it, and an army of analysts to pore over it. Do they not want fans to understand the game better and therefore love it more? Maybe they're trying to protect players from criticism? Baffling.
August 27th, 2022 at 10:03 AM ^
The coaches and players get All-22 from the program that they record themselves. This gets shared with former players and coaches like Al Borges and Devin Gardner because the video room guys are cool with that. Lots of former players go visit them when in town to get clips of their careers, since they have that stuff organized going all the way back to when they changed formats in 1992. They would not share with us, and I wouldn't ask, because it wouldn't really be proper or fair to other independent media outlets. Devin Gardner gave up his ribs for Michigan and he's awesome as an analyst; the dude deserves access that I don't, and I would never begrudge him that.
The broadcast companies usually record their own because to them that's another camera angle, so occasionally those slip out to college football people because editors for Fox (more often) or ESPN (less often) are sports dudes who have access to video for cut-ups and share them with their friends. There's are several invite-only online videosharing communities, the most prominent being Ten Yard Tracker, where occasionally you can find all-22. There's a lot of trading that doesn't end up on the main boards between people--I have a couple of friends from there and a Discord board that used to be a Reddit community with whom I share torrents, because they get new ones and I have a good library of old ones.