LSU is now Tulane's partner in the New Orleans camp. Michigan out.

Submitted by Rabbit21 on

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/05/in_satellite_camp_bat…;

Well hopefully this doesn't set a precedent for the other camps Harbaugh has scheduled.  Not entirely surprised that it was Orgeron pulling this kind of a <edited> move, but I will at least give him that he is owning the motivation for it. 

I also would LOVE to have been a fly on the wall when the meeting between Orgeron and Fritz went down, total power move on LSU's part.

aleng

May 9th, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^

Fear is a great motivator but doing something you'd prefer not to because you feel you have to is not ideal and, I would argue, will impact the final product. Granted I don't claim to know everyone's motivation. From the outside it seems like other coaches have been forced to do things they would not otherwise do in order to respond to Harbaugh's full court satellite camp press. I think this ends up being a win regardless for Harbaugh because you can't fake genuine care. Let other people run camps out of fear and then let recruits contrast those camps against whatever Harbaugh comes up with to spread his love of football and passion for competing.

DogTown

May 9th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^

This quote says it all, "I'm grateful for Tulane and Coach Willie Fritz for inviting us and protecting the great state of Louisiana." Flat out scared. As if one camp is going to keep Harbaugh from taking whoever he wants!

Ahriman

May 9th, 2017 at 6:17 PM ^

him, but decided not to (who knows what was said/promised in the meeting), link below:

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_ec120324-efca-11e6-ae5f-ffea8e7cc50f.html

Basically, he pulled an Ohio and "reassigned" one of their important recruiters who is a New Orleans native to an off-the-field job (demoted him) the day after signing day and that pissed a lot of people off.

Artie

May 9th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^

Waiting for a Louisiana Tech co-camp with Michigan to coincidentally be scheduled for the same day as the Tulane camp.

blueblueblue

May 9th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^

"Douche move"? Really? If LSU were planning to attend a satellite camp in Michigan with, say, Western Michigan, and Harbaugh got LSU booted and UM placed in their stead, we would all be cheering Harbaugh for "protecting Michigan." This inability to take a different perspective is really tiring. 

Hail-Storm

May 9th, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^

as you stated.  Last year at camps, there was a huge difference in his demeanor during the camps and other head coaches.  He was high energy and worked with everyone.  It only helps him to have a side by side direct comparison. 

lhglrkwg

May 9th, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^

I feel it's far more likely Harbaugh would want to join in, not shut LSU out. What would make someone think Harbaugh is afraid of competition? Of all people on earth, we wonder if Jim Harbaugh is scared of some competition

Rabbit21

May 9th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^

It's a total douche move and I think by now, most of us would either A) cheer it as a way for guys to get exposure or B) expect Harbaugh to try to join the camp.

I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it.  Maybe, just maybe, we can argue about what's actually happening instead of dreaming up a hypothetical to construct a strawman.

 

blueblueblue

May 9th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^

You dont get it. And your arguments are odd, to say the least. It is possible to say that Orgeron did what he did in the interest of competition, and in the interst of competition, say that it's now Harbaugh's turn to retaliate. Its Orgeron being a coach, and Harbaugh can retaliate. Neither is being a 'douche.' 

As for your points A and B, they have nothing to do with my complaint about your inability to see it from LSU's perspective. I dont really get what argument you are trying to make. I never said giong to satellite camps is not a great thing for the program. 

As for the straw man, you also dont get what a straw man is. A straw man argument is a means of refuting an argument by addressing a different one. That' is in essence what you did with your points A and B. I used an analogy to address your inability to see things from another perspective. I addressed my own argument about you saying its a douche move. You, on the other hand, brought up a totally different point, one that I didnt bring up. Hence, a straw man. 

Rabbit21

May 9th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^

Of course I see it from LSU's perspective.  I just don't think their perspective is a very good one(I had a ton of arguments about this on a UCLA board as their arguments boiled down to the same thing of why would we work with a threat vs. trying to see it as an opportunity), nor would I cheer Harbaugh if he did the same thing in reverse.  As far as the straw man thing, you constructed a version of what you wanted me to think/say rather than what I was thinking/saying in order to prove.....something.  LSU making a power move because they want to keep Michigan out and ensure that only in-state schools can be at the camp is a move I don't agree with.

blue in dc

May 9th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^

There is plenty of evidence that Harbaugh is doing the satellite camps for a multitude of reasons. Clearly he is doing it to improve Michigan's ability to recruit, but he has also backed up his claim that it is about giving kids as much of an opportunity to get exposure to various college programs as possible by inviting any college coaches that wanted to come to Michigan's camp. As others have pointed out, LSU's move is not just a douche move, it is a weak one. It suggests that they fear that LSU's product can't compete straight up with Michigan's and that LSU is more about LSU than the student athlete. I don't think Harbaugh acts weak or with fear. I wouldn't be surprised ifHarbaugh asked to join the theoretical Western Michigan/LSU camp, but I'd be really surprised if he pushed to get LSU excluded. I also question the straw in the first place because it's not clear to me what school would go through the effort. Michigan is not a super rich target for recruits and frankly I think most coaches would fear what Harbaugh might dream up to regain the upper hand from the team that challenged him in his home state. I suspect it would be much more creative than LSUs reaction.

blueblueblue

May 9th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^

Yep, it's pile on time. I'll take my lumps, but I'll also take solace in knowing that I am willing to express an unpopular opinion. Without such opinions, it's just not much fun around here.  

blue in dc

May 9th, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^

It wasn't because you had a different opinion, it is because when someone disagreed with that opinion you got all defensive. I read your original post and while I wasn't a big fan because: 1. I disagreed with your assertion about what Harbaugh would do if the situation was reversed. 2. You also asserted that you knew how all of us would react if Harbaugh did respond as you projected - I agree that at least some folks would reflectively agree with Harbaugh, but asserting we'd all react in a certain way to some hypothetical is just plain silly. I didn't feel particularly moved to either neg you or respond. It was only when you doubled down that I did so. As one who has been on the other side of the fence in neg bombs/pile ons, my experience is it is rarely because of my original comment, it is because I let myself get pissy in response to a few people who disagreed. As to your original assertion about what Harbaugh would do and how we would react: One of the things I like about Harbaugh is that while others are playing checkers, he's playing chess. Getting Michigan kicked out was a checkers move, not a chess one. It was a knee jerk reaction that in the long run will probably not be very effective (much like Rutgers reaction to Harbaugh's Jersey camp last year). I'd be disappointed if Harbaugh couldn't do better. I sincerely hope you continue to post contrarian views because They make us all think and do make the blog a better place. However I hope that you also realize that if you do, you just need to understand that you're going to get counter arguments and negs and you'll be more successful arguing on the merits than getting pissy about the people who disagree with you.

blueblueblue

May 9th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

"However I hope that you also realize that if you do, you just need to understand that you're going to get counter arguments and negs and you'll be more successful arguing on the merits than getting pissy about the people who disagree with you."

Fake arguments! Loser! 

Just kidding, points well stated and taken. I appreciate them. 

 

lhglrkwg

May 9th, 2017 at 11:57 AM ^

I do love how people go right to the persecution complex when their opinions aren't greeted with open arms. Would we be happy if Harbaugh got LSU booted from Kalamazoo? Probably. Would Harbaugh - the guy who loves competition so much he was being overly competitive in a family game of basketball recently - actually boot LSU? No. That's why the opinion was getting negged. Because Harbaugh would be 10x more likely to join the camp than he would be to get LSU booted

ColeIsCorky

May 9th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^

The thing is that Harbaugh knows you can't out-camp Harbaugh. And he'd be willing to invite the whole SEC to come to a camp in Michigan just to prove that fact. SEC coaches wouldn't dare come to camp in Michigan for that reason alone. And if memory serves me correct, didn't Kirby Smart already learn that himself? And what was the result? We are now owning Georgia recruiting.

This is exactly why Orgeron wanted Harbaugh out of New Orleans. And if I was him, I probably would have done the same as LSU owns the state of Louisiana. It's only a matter of time before Harbaugh would start plucking kids out of there as well.

SF Wolverine

May 9th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^

Harbaugh got the first-mover advantage last year, but now everyone is doing likewise.  Continue to improve!  My guess is that JH will continue to innovate, as with this year's overseas trip.

trock444

May 9th, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^

Tulane is the one getting screwed...LSU:  "Let's get all of the Louisiana recruits together at one time!"  "We will take all of the good ones and you can have the rest."  Tulane: "Thanks for not taking them all".

ElBictors

May 9th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

The "douche move" would have been Orgeron backing out of a camp with MICHIGAN and replacing the Wolverines with Tulane and keeping it "in house" in Louisiana, not the other way around.

 

That said, Orgeron flinched.  Harbaugh has them scared and Pete Finebaum now has (a few hours of) content for his next show.