LSU is now Tulane's partner in the New Orleans camp. Michigan out.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/05/in_satellite_camp_bat…;
Well hopefully this doesn't set a precedent for the other camps Harbaugh has scheduled. Not entirely surprised that it was Orgeron pulling this kind of a <edited> move, but I will at least give him that he is owning the motivation for it.
I also would LOVE to have been a fly on the wall when the meeting between Orgeron and Fritz went down, total power move on LSU's part.
Harbaugh is in everyone's head, living rent free
Fear is a great motivator but doing something you'd prefer not to because you feel you have to is not ideal and, I would argue, will impact the final product. Granted I don't claim to know everyone's motivation. From the outside it seems like other coaches have been forced to do things they would not otherwise do in order to respond to Harbaugh's full court satellite camp press. I think this ends up being a win regardless for Harbaugh because you can't fake genuine care. Let other people run camps out of fear and then let recruits contrast those camps against whatever Harbaugh comes up with to spread his love of football and passion for competing.
We don't need to guess at the motivation because Orgeron came right out and said it. It is all about trying to block out other schools from recruiting Louisiana kids.
These are the two teams LSU should worry about with regard to recruiting battles. Good for them, build that wall.
That is exactly what he is.
Will he apologize when his players stick one of these into Arkansas' feild?
Nevermind..didn't read Ogderon's quote.
This quote says it all, "I'm grateful for Tulane and Coach Willie Fritz for inviting us and protecting the great state of Louisiana." Flat out scared. As if one camp is going to keep Harbaugh from taking whoever he wants!
Makes sense--when I think "student body and faculty of Tulane" all I can think of is Louisiana.
i.e. taking away opportunities from Louisiana's high schoolers in the hopes that they'll all just go to LSU because they don't know anything else
UAB
help them re-start the program Alabama tried to kill
Just to troll Alabama.
him, but decided not to (who knows what was said/promised in the meeting), link below:
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_ec120324-efca-11e6-ae5f-ffea8e7cc50f.html
Basically, he pulled an Ohio and "reassigned" one of their important recruiters who is a New Orleans native to an off-the-field job (demoted him) the day after signing day and that pissed a lot of people off.
Partner with one of the other teams in Louisiana. There's a constitutional right to travel between states, and we will exercise that right!
"Douche move"? Really? If LSU were planning to attend a satellite camp in Michigan with, say, Western Michigan, and Harbaugh got LSU booted and UM placed in their stead, we would all be cheering Harbaugh for "protecting Michigan." This inability to take a different perspective is really tiring.
he's camping with UCLA - Mora isn't a wimp at least
He also camped with Georgia previously.
Harbaugh would do that. He loves competition and the fact that it would give kids an opportunity they wouldn't otherwise have. This is a douche bag move, and he acknowledges that in his statement.
as you stated. Last year at camps, there was a huge difference in his demeanor during the camps and other head coaches. He was high energy and worked with everyone. It only helps him to have a side by side direct comparison.
I feel it's far more likely Harbaugh would want to join in, not shut LSU out. What would make someone think Harbaugh is afraid of competition? Of all people on earth, we wonder if Jim Harbaugh is scared of some competition
It's a total douche move and I think by now, most of us would either A) cheer it as a way for guys to get exposure or B) expect Harbaugh to try to join the camp.
I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it. Maybe, just maybe, we can argue about what's actually happening instead of dreaming up a hypothetical to construct a strawman.
You dont get it. And your arguments are odd, to say the least. It is possible to say that Orgeron did what he did in the interest of competition, and in the interst of competition, say that it's now Harbaugh's turn to retaliate. Its Orgeron being a coach, and Harbaugh can retaliate. Neither is being a 'douche.'
As for your points A and B, they have nothing to do with my complaint about your inability to see it from LSU's perspective. I dont really get what argument you are trying to make. I never said giong to satellite camps is not a great thing for the program.
As for the straw man, you also dont get what a straw man is. A straw man argument is a means of refuting an argument by addressing a different one. That' is in essence what you did with your points A and B. I used an analogy to address your inability to see things from another perspective. I addressed my own argument about you saying its a douche move. You, on the other hand, brought up a totally different point, one that I didnt bring up. Hence, a straw man.
Of course I see it from LSU's perspective. I just don't think their perspective is a very good one(I had a ton of arguments about this on a UCLA board as their arguments boiled down to the same thing of why would we work with a threat vs. trying to see it as an opportunity), nor would I cheer Harbaugh if he did the same thing in reverse. As far as the straw man thing, you constructed a version of what you wanted me to think/say rather than what I was thinking/saying in order to prove.....something. LSU making a power move because they want to keep Michigan out and ensure that only in-state schools can be at the camp is a move I don't agree with.
I'm pretty comfortable saying he'd be fine with other coaches coming to work a camp in Michigan, seeing as he invited any coach who wanted to show up to come to his Exposure U camp a couple years back.
I for one would not be cheering. Hold a camp on a different day, or do a joint one. Booting another team to protect some arbitrary territory is a douche move, whether Harbaugh or anyone does it.
I wouldn't.
In fact, I'd be shocked. It would show that Harbaugh was scared of competition. It would be completely out of character. Now, I might want Harbaugh to JOIN the camp, but boot a college because they are intruding on "his" territory? Nah, that's not the Harbaugh way.
Yep, it's pile on time. I'll take my lumps, but I'll also take solace in knowing that I am willing to express an unpopular opinion. Without such opinions, it's just not much fun around here.
"However I hope that you also realize that if you do, you just need to understand that you're going to get counter arguments and negs and you'll be more successful arguing on the merits than getting pissy about the people who disagree with you."
Fake arguments! Loser!
Just kidding, points well stated and taken. I appreciate them.
I do love how people go right to the persecution complex when their opinions aren't greeted with open arms. Would we be happy if Harbaugh got LSU booted from Kalamazoo? Probably. Would Harbaugh - the guy who loves competition so much he was being overly competitive in a family game of basketball recently - actually boot LSU? No. That's why the opinion was getting negged. Because Harbaugh would be 10x more likely to join the camp than he would be to get LSU booted
A "muh muh muh groupthink!" conniption fit isn't getting negged into oblivion. Pretty much confirms my latest opinions on the state of the blogerati.
The thing is that Harbaugh knows you can't out-camp Harbaugh. And he'd be willing to invite the whole SEC to come to a camp in Michigan just to prove that fact. SEC coaches wouldn't dare come to camp in Michigan for that reason alone. And if memory serves me correct, didn't Kirby Smart already learn that himself? And what was the result? We are now owning Georgia recruiting.
This is exactly why Orgeron wanted Harbaugh out of New Orleans. And if I was him, I probably would have done the same as LSU owns the state of Louisiana. It's only a matter of time before Harbaugh would start plucking kids out of there as well.
I think Alabama owns Louisianna
(at least in 2017)
and you should feel bad. Harbaugh don't back down from no challenge.
Harbaugh got the first-mover advantage last year, but now everyone is doing likewise. Continue to improve! My guess is that JH will continue to innovate, as with this year's overseas trip.
but make your voice heard by emailing [email protected] and express your desire to schedule LSU.
Tulane is the one getting screwed...LSU: "Let's get all of the Louisiana recruits together at one time!" "We will take all of the good ones and you can have the rest." Tulane: "Thanks for not taking them all".
The "douche move" would have been Orgeron backing out of a camp with MICHIGAN and replacing the Wolverines with Tulane and keeping it "in house" in Louisiana, not the other way around.
That said, Orgeron flinched. Harbaugh has them scared and Pete Finebaum now has (a few hours of) content for his next show.