Let's talk about Ohio State

Submitted by Bodogblog on August 25th, 2019 at 9:36 PM

I believe they go 9-3 at best this year.  I'm going to provide some rationale and some clips and many will say it's wrong, everything works out for them.  Based on the last 15 years, that's entirely rational.  But there was once a man named Cooper.  The need for salt mine levels of caution here is obvious, of course, I'm a guy on the internet, what the hell do I know. 

Head coach: Everyone know this – Ryan Day is an internal hire who independent of that is not nearly qualified for the head job at OSU.  “Lincoln Riley,” they say.  “Luke Fickell,” I say.  Look at this Wikipedia page, it’s not impressive.  Brilliant game plan vs. Michigan last year, guided Haskins to all-world numbers, led them to 3-0.  1) Conceded, 2) Was that Haskins becoming Haskins or Day helping Haskins become Haskins?, 3) who cares, Meyer was still in charge of the team.  Make your own judgments, but the ultimate test: if Harbaugh had left for the NFL and Michigan hired Day, would you have been happy?

Defensive coordinator: Mattison is an odd hire.  Rumor is that Day wanted Brown and was rebuffed, so Meyer engineered this move.  Great recruiter, good DL coach.  Well he’s only co-DC, they say, Day brought in a guy named Jeff Hafley to be co-DC with him.  That guy must be a comer, young genius DC who will be the real brains behind the operation.  Here’s that guy’s resume:

Meh.  “He’s an NFL guy”, they say.  I mean, so were a lot of guys.  Hoke was, after the Michigan debacle.  So was Greg Robinson, before it.  And it doesn’t look like he’s really the co-DC at all, he’s just running the secondary.  Maybe Hafley is just taking a true year of being babysat by Mattison and observing before he takes over more control in 2020, but right now he’s just sitting on the couch watching a movie.  This is Mattison’s scheme, full stop.  Is that great?  He’s installing a Viper, which they’ve unimaginatively re-named the “Bullet”.  Mattison didn’t run a Viper when he was last DC, which means he’s picking it up from Don Brown.  So this is not Mattison running his 4-3 Under/Over that he ran at Michigan, but him running another guy’s defense.  Did he pick the whole thing up in two years?  I’m sure he did, he’s smart, and experienced.  He’s 70.  Still, it seems rational to wonder if Mattison will go back to what he knows, a 4-3.  And what do you know, look hereAs the article states, it seems like they might be using a 4-3 more than the 4-2-5.  Who knows, it’s Fall camp, take everything with a grain of salt.  But you’ve already moved your 2nd best safety to Viper, you can’t put him back at safety 3 weeks into camp. 

In this year’s HTTV, an Eleven Warriors writer gives a glowing review of the entire team, including the defense.  He draws a direct comparison of this Mattison/Hafley co-DC marriage to that of the co-OC arrangement between Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day: an old guy / young guy combination of best of both worlds.  That seems a logical comparison.  But a much better one is OSU’s co-DC arrangement last year: Greg Schiano and Alex Grinch, the very same old guy / young guy combo.  By all accounts it was a disaster. 

Once again make your own judgments, but the ultimate test remains: if Brown had left for Maryland and Michigan hired Mattison and Hafley, would you have been happy?

Defense: You know it wasn’t great last year.  Big plays everywhere.  One of the worst in recent OSU memory.  Well, all those players are back.  Except for Bosa and the excellent Dremont Jones, who together accounted for 14 points against TCU and the win.  Bosa was out after that game, yes, Jones was excellent all year (13 TFL's and an insane 9 sacks from the DT position).  Was the problem scheme or players?  The answer is both.  

This is the Maryland game, and OSU was awful against them.  It’s the 2nd play from scrimmage.  Look at the bottom of the screen, #3 Damon Arnette the CB.  He very obviously has contain on this play.  He blows it spectacularly.  This is the 11th game of the season.  Then he completely gives up in a DGAF trot almost immediately.  Also see #25 Brendon White, the safety behind him (he has since been moved to Viper), taking a really terrible angle as the last line of defense (ignore his lack of speed in pursuit, because Macfarland is a burner).  Arnette is terrible here, unforgivably bad.  He’s back as the starter. 
 

https://youtu.be/2czvgPJnQj0?t=22


"WTF Damon?" 
 

https://youtu.be/d0KRLoN-oNg?t=121


Same game, just a few plays later, Arnette #3 at the bottom and White #25 as the safety.  Understandably, Maryland says hey, why not try that shit again?  Arnette says fuuuuuuck no I’m not losing contain and gets laughably wide.  White has to fill the alley.  There’s no one behind him and he knows it.  Macfarland is good but come on.
 

https://youtu.be/2czvgPJnQj0?t=139


Maryland.  Watch another returning player, LB Malik Harrison #39, bottom of the screen between the DE and DT.  Maryland will mess with you, but this guy is following a motion man who’s running into 4 of his fellow defenders, and he’s completely abandoning his gap to do so.  The Maryland lineman they brought over to block him doesn’t even have anything to do.  People get got, it happens, but it happened way too much for OSU last year.  This isn’t Schiano’s fault.
 

https://youtu.be/d0KRLoN-oNg?t=2421


Maryland.  This is most definitely Schiano’s fault.  Watch the DE and LB (#39, Harrison) at the top of the screen.  They’re switching roles.  For some ungodly reason.  The DE drifts in to play middle gap, the LB has to run to the edge to contain.  I’m sure there are reasons to do this.  All of them are lost on these players.  What this created was a DE playing LB and a LB playing DE, and neither knows how to, you know, do that.  Watch Harrison in particular: he gets to the outside and contains, but he needs to fight off that block.  Contain itself is not the goal if the defense is in that bad of shape on the play – you need to get off and make a play on the man.
 

https://youtu.be/2czvgPJnQj0?t=208


OSU spring game.  This is probably unfair but I'm making an assumption based on what I see: this LB doesn't fully understand what holding the edge means.  Watch Harrison #39 here, same guy from the clip above, top LB on the screen.  He comes over and takes on the block in exactly the same way: he gets contain, but doesn’t squeeze the hole or get his hands on the ballcarrier or even slow him down.  It’s actually hard to tell who’s the blocker and who’s the defender there.  You have to squeeze or spill there, because the offense would love you to eat this block. 
 

https://youtu.be/ZzKpWWfS8W4?t=1693

 
Maryland.  Let's talk about #3 Damon Arnette again, at the bottom of the screen.  He’s going against a freshman wide receiver who had 9 catches for 148 yards last year.  Here are 60 of them.  Mr. Gattis, throw deep all day all downs please.

 

https://youtu.be/2czvgPJnQj0?t=478


PSU.  #3 CB at the top of the screen, absolutely pancaked by the TE.
 

https://youtu.be/4yL0BGJjoMY?t=459


TCU.  Arnette #3 at the bottom of the screen, obviously holding and interfering with the WR, gets flagged.  This is a constant issue with Arnette, and the multitudes of OSU fans that hate him will tell you all about it.  No one has been able to supplant him this Fall.  He has talent, he could certainly turn it around.  Not likely.  I bet someone else is starting over him by mid-year.  This is a Hafley project, so watch this closely for clues on his coaching ability. 
 

https://youtu.be/dvDs36SPO7E?t=498


TCU.  A twofor on the other two OSU LB’s besides Harrison: Borland and Werner.  They are fine and just that.  Borland #32 is a slow Desmond Morgan who plays ILB, Werner #20 is a fast but blockable one who plays OLB (on the hash).  We loved Morgan because he quality player and a thumper on a Michigan defense emerging from the desert.  But you wouldn’t expect him to show up on a defense that recruits the way OSU does.  Much less two of him.  On this play ILB Borland is simply not athletic enough to make a difference, OLB Werner gets de-cleated by a 5’9” 180 lb. freshman slot WR.  Sure it’s blindside hit, but that’s the job today at OLB – you have to know that’s coming because you get cracked all day.  Both are fine, they tackle people and hold their gaps and they’re fine.  They’re the 3rd/4th  best LB’s for Iowa, but they’re playing for Ohio State.
 

https://youtu.be/dvDs36SPO7E?t=412


TCU.  Another for the LBs.  It’s only a 6 yard gain, but you see what they are: jet sweep and #20 Werner blocked to the ground, and #32 Borland just doesn’t have the speed to make a difference on the play.
 

https://youtu.be/dvDs36SPO7E?t=672


Maryland.  Don’t watch this, because it’s a B1G title going up in smoke.  #20 OLB Werner has the inside slot, #4 S Fuller has the outside slot.  Not sure if they were supposed to switch or stay, but they both follow the inside man.  This is a wide open WR, not even covered.  This is scheme because these guys don’t know what to do.  Both return this year.  This missed throw is also the difference between LOL Ohio State and Harbaugh being the no-doubt leader in the B1G coming into 2019.  This is Meyer you deserve it fuck off into the sunset karma vs. another year of pain for Michigan fans.  When people say “It doesn’t matter, you HAVE TO MAEK PLAYZZZ AND WIN THE GAMEEZZZ” remember this play.  Did OSU make a play here?  Is this MAEK PLAYZZ?  They lucked into a win against a 5-7 football team.  They did nothing here.  In fact they did everything wrong and deserved to lose.  This is a blind universe.  There is no such thing as love. 
 

https://youtu.be/2czvgPJnQj0?t=665


Wide Receivers:  The best ones are gone to the NFL.  You know they had crazy speed, but they were also absolutely fantastic blockers.  Talent remains, but not to last year’s levels. 

Offensive LineOL: Who knows?  They lose 4 starters.  Munford is back at LT and he’s OK.  He could take a leap in his second year starting but otherwise he’s just fine.  They get all-B1G Jonah Jackson from Rutgers, which in Draftgeddon they mention grad transfer interior OL don’t usually work out.  I don’t know the reason for this, but I’ll take that as a point of risk.  They have a new Center nobody’s seen, highly rated, first year.  No idea.  The other guard is Wyatt Davis, highly rated, did play two games last year and looked pretty good.  Then then the right tackle is a kid named Bowen, who’s been off the depth chart for two years due to injury.  Will he be good?  Who knows?  He was playing guard in the spring.  That’s not a lot of reliability on the offensive line.  The back-up tackles are Josh Alabi (from Cass Tech, the kid who brought Weber with him to OSU) and Nicholas Petit-Friere (a guy Michigan recruited hard): the former is a 5th year senior who neither the coaches nor the fans ever want to see the field, and the latter is a redshirt freshman who’s not ready based on his performance in the spring game. 

Fields/QB:  I don’t know, neither does anyone else.  What we might know, based on what seems to be consensus insider info:

  • Super recruit, but only started one year of high school football
  • Didn’t do much at UGA, rumored to not have studied the playbook much
  • Did not have a great spring at OSU, struggled picking up the offense (understandable, it’s known as a difficult offense to pick up)
  • Did not have a great first two weeks of camp (in the team’s first scrimmage, two pick 6’s were thrown, and since no insiders would say he threw them, you know exactly who threw them)
  • Had a great 3rd week of Fall camp and is named the starter

So if you’re keeping count, that’s multiple weeks of spring ball bad, two weeks of Fall camp bad, and 1 week of Fall camp good.  That’s not great math for the Buckeyes.  I’m going to guess they simplified everything, had him run more, and turned the offense into screen city in the 3rd week.  That allowed Fields to win the job, but it won’t win OSU 10 games.  Watch for the coming of screen city during the season – they had to break out in the PSU game last year in order to win, even with Haskins and those WR's.  Do they have to resort to it against Cincinnati?  If yes they’re in trouble this year.  And of course you know the back-ups are QBs unplayable.  And while Dobbins is a very good back, a back-up at RB hasn't really emerged. 

 

Summary.  Their DL is excellent, and their #1 corner very good.  Fuller their #1 safety is probably very good.  The negative things I've clipped above are selective to support my view, and may be biased in terms of what I want to see.  All those players of course made good plays during the season.  But I believe it captures some of the why on Defense.  I've droned on long enough.  I don't see 10 wins here.  I see a loss to Michigan, MSU (Fields will have real trouble against that defense) and at least one of @Nebraska/@NW/Wiscy/Cinci/PSU.  If they have to run Fields to have a functional offense and he's injured early in the year for an extended period, 7-5 is on the table. 

ldevon1

August 26th, 2019 at 5:00 AM ^

This should probably be a diary, but it was well thought out, in depth, and hopefully the gospel truth. We will see. I don't think they will go undefeated, because Haskins was the best QB in the B1G, and you just don't replace that with a guy who has never started a game before, and not miss a beat. I just wonder how they will approach "The Game"?

crg

August 26th, 2019 at 9:13 AM ^

This is a (THE?) diary post.

Side question: how much does Mattison's betrayal hurt us in terms of divulging internal information?  He (probably) learned everything that Don Brown does (obviously not Gattis though) and immediately shares that with a direct competitor.  Also - how the hell is this not prevented in his contract?  I've worked for many companies and had to sign non-compete clauses and NDAs (the enforcement of those is debatable, but at least a token effort was made to discourage betraying confidential information).  It seems that it would be easy to insert some form of clause into our contracts saying "if you leave, you can work anywhere but these few places".  Didn't Arkansas do that with Enos, which is why he accepted the UM offer before flipping back to the SEC?

O S Who

August 26th, 2019 at 9:54 AM ^

He is talking about prior to Miami.

A few years ago Michigan hired Dan from Arkansas. Then Alabama hired Dan from Michigan. This all occurred within like 2 weeks.

there were rumors that Dan could not be hired at an sec school due to a non-compete he had at Arkansas and used Michigan to circumvent that non-compete

ShadowStorm33

August 26th, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^

Honestly, not sure how much help Mattison will be. I know Brian has downplayed the importance of insider information before; most everything useful is on film/Brown’s BC playbooks are publicity available. 

Plus, and probably more importantly, they didn’t seem to have any problems with our defense last year. They had Brown’s blitzes downloaded. The question will be whether Brown can adapt, not whether Mattison is bringing over a golden bullet. 

Navy Wolverine

August 25th, 2019 at 10:18 PM ^

Maybe but this is the level of obsession that OSU puts into beating Michigan despite all their recent success in The Game. Michigan (at least Michigan fans) on the other hand seems to put more emphasis on beating Army this year. There should be more articles / posts like this. Know your enemy. 

Double-D

August 26th, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^

This year’s game is more critical than most UofM/OSU games.  It can blunt the injustice of 2016.   

Harbaugh is recruiting at a pace right now to compete with anyone.  Winning the Big Ten and getting into the college playoffs (and hopefully making a run) could get us to the next level.  

All at the same time by putting doubt into OSUs program and a never before head coach.This could be a turning point in the rivalry or the very least getting us on equal footing   

The drive to get a spotlight on the selection of the officials for that game should begin now.  

wolve1972

August 26th, 2019 at 11:08 AM ^

Agree somewhat about the mental part although OSU hasn't exactly been lacking in talent the last couple of decades. Just read an article today just released on 247 that they have the 2nd most talented roster  this year - based on recruiting results - behind Alabama. Last year they were no. 1.  But the most talent doesn't equate to championships. The article also points out that 15 to 20 teams have enough talent to win it all. 

Our big advantage is our experienced coaching staff and QB - definitely OSU's question mark going in.  And yes, I do agree with you, we have to win this year's game - no ifs about it. I don't even want to think about the alternative.  This is an extremely critical year for us.

Robbie Moore

August 26th, 2019 at 7:41 AM ^

Ryan Day would never have been hired by O$U if he wasn't already there when Meyer imploded. Before he spent two unsuccessful seasons as Chip Kelly's NFL quarterback coach he was an OC at Boston College and Temple. They could have had anybody.

And I have a hard time seeing the Mattison/Hadley thing working. Day should have given the keys to the D to Alex Grinch, minus the Schiano dead weight, and left him alone.  

canzior

August 26th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^

The other thing I've heard is you never hire an OC from an Offensive minded head coach, or a DC from a defensive head coach. We have no idea that Day knows anything about offense, we just know that Urban Meyer does.  With the exception of Lincoln Riley, and you could say that Stoops was a defensive minded guy, it doesn't really work. 

Chaco

August 25th, 2019 at 9:41 PM ^

Diary-level effort - thanks for creating.  I think they will go undefeated and Justin Fields will be a legitimate Heisman contender just because they always seem to have things go their way (unless they are playing a mediocre west-division team - then they lose by 28+ points).

evenyoubrutus

August 25th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^

It's fascinating to see the difference between the two fanbases. I guarantee you that this comment has never been made on an OSU blog about Michigan. Every OSU blog I know of has front page content that is this in depth about Michigan on AT LEAST a weekly basis. And their fans eat it up as much as the content about their own team. 

So yeah, we have a much different mentality about them than they do about us, clearly. I'm not saying the fans have any impact on the outcome of the game, but it's interesting that the culture is so different. 

TallyWolverine

August 25th, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^

The last time we were in a period of domination over them, the internet was in diapers. I'd bet if this rivalry had been reversed, we'd be eagerly reading about the mishaps and dynamite-blowing-up-in-hand debacles of tsio....while they wouldn't want to be bothered with reading another article about the unbridled success of "that team up north."

Vote_Crisler_1937

August 25th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^

some Mattison’s biggest strengths include getting talented players to show up and play hard. So many of mistakes you point out above will be eliminated simply by Mattison doing what he does to motivate talent. They probably won’t have a terrific scheme but it won’t matter if they eliminate mistakes by playing hard. 

spider-sal

August 25th, 2019 at 10:15 PM ^

They always play hard against us and Mattison is not going to improve that because max effort is max effort. They fucked around so much during that whole season until The Game. That’s just how it went with Urban, and I suspect we won’t see a drop off in intensity on the field this year if Day wants to keep his job.

Nervous Bird

August 25th, 2019 at 9:58 PM ^

+1 for putting in the work and having some good analysis! Just one correction - Fields actually started 2 years in high school, but he was injured halfway through his senior year and didn't finish that season. Damn good work, though! Thank you!

Wolverine91

August 25th, 2019 at 10:05 PM ^

Talent alone should win them 10 games. 10-2 is their floor tbh. They'll have their usual midseason loss to someone. Day is a good coach idk why everyone is underestimating them. Fields will be good. You guys need to stop w this osu nonsense