swalburn

August 19th, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't pick up steam. The schools that don't play in the fall are going to be at a competetive disadvantage going forward.  I wouldn't be surprised if it spills into recruiting.   Also, can someone explain to me what the NCAA actually does.  You have all these different schools under this governing body and they are all do their own thing.  I know the NCAA is a joke but I don't know why they even exist at this point. It seems like there should be some cohesion under their umbrella.  My rant is concluded.

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TrueBlue2003

August 19th, 2020 at 5:25 PM ^

I'm pretty sure the NCAA handles inter-conference championships, primarily. And the NCAA makes scholarship limits, amatuerism rules, etc. to participate in those championships.

So if a conference or team didn't want to participate in those championships and the resulting profit sharing, I think they could do whatever they want.  They could give out 150 football scholarships if they wanted to not participate in NCAA events (or a conference which also wouldn't be cool with that).

But since they all want to participate in those inter-conference events, they all abide by the NCAA rules.  The NCAA doesn't have rules pertaining to the current situation so schools can do whatever they want where rules don't exist.

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Navy Wolverine

August 19th, 2020 at 5:29 PM ^

Why does this make him a POS? Interested players get to play and he could improve his team. If the shoe were on the other foot and it were Harbaugh trying this everyone would post about how smart and out of the box thinker he is for creating a win-win situation. Granted, there are plenty of other reasons why Lane may be a POS but I don’t see this as one of them. The B1G presidents and commissioner have done this to themselves and now the football programs will be left to deal with a major dumpster fire if the other conferences play.

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trueblueintexas

August 19th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^

It’s a tough choice. If you have NFL aspirations you will want to play and if you can’t play at your school and another school is available, you would have to consider it. But it is very late to get transferred, enrolled and moved, And, there is always the chance the team you transferred to plays one or two games and it all gets shut down. How disappointing that would be. Other than top round picks, that is where the majority of players will find themselves. Very unfortunate.

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TrueBlue2003

August 19th, 2020 at 5:28 PM ^

Yeah, very few guys would transfer even if allowed.

You have a large number of guys that are essentially set for the draft and probably don't even mind an excuse to sit out the season without getting hurt. Let's call those the likely 1-5 rounders. 

You have the vast majority of players that aren't near the draft so there's no reason to transfer just for one season.  Let's call those the "not-even-close" guys.

So there's only this tiny sliver of guys that are late in their careers and borderline draftable with something to prove that would risk transferring at this point.  And it is a big risk.  They only have a few weeks go try to learn a new system, compete for a spot on their new team, etc.

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bronxblue

August 19th, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^

What's going to be hilarious is that Kiffin's team will undoubtedly have dozens of players test positive and have to shut down like everyone else.

Anyway, good luck to him.  I assume Chris Partridge is hammering the players he recruited to UM and trying to get them to come down.

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Gobluegoblue2

August 19th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^

Kids are going to test positive... like wildfire... and then recover.  And tthe SEC won’t shut down at all.  
 

people have been waiting to slam dunk on Florida and Georgia and Texas for not shutting their economies down like other states and the worst is behind those stares without nearly the same death tolls as NY, NJ, or even wholesome Quebec.  Young people do fine with a VERY few exceptions.   More kids will die of alcohol poisoning this month than from C-19.   
 

the media will frame it differently because they like to spread panic (virus, hurricanes, USPS) and seemingly every outlet has an agenda.  But when more SEC kids are injured or concussed than knocked out by C-19, the BIG 10 will look decidedly bad.  
 

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DualThreat

August 19th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^

Looks like Lane and I think alike.... on one issue at least....

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August 12th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

DualThreat

Just a thought... (and I'm not necessarily advocating any players do this)

If a student athlete wants to play, but their school has decided not to, I wonder if the NCAA should allow the student an immediate transfer and eligability waiver to participate this fall.  It would be unprecedented, sure, and might cause a whole bunch of transfers, but these are unprecedented times.  It would be really interesting to see Nico, for example, play for a Big 12 team this fall.

Again, not saying any players should do this, but I do think they should have the choice.  Why not?  It's in the student athlete's benefit to have such a choice.

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Go Blue Eyes

August 19th, 2020 at 4:20 PM ^

If we don't play and the other three P5 conferences play (plus whatever other leagues go along), we are going to be hurt this year (by players leaving to play in SEC, ACC & Big 12 - plus maybe some smaller conferences) and next year as we lose players to the draft who say "screw it" I am not going to wait around.  I don't suspect a lot will defect but even two or three will hurt.  And that doesn't even include recruits coming in.

I bet they get the waivers also.  The last thing the NCAA needs are lawsuits galore.

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Ihatebux

August 19th, 2020 at 9:31 PM ^

You realize the season starts in 2 weeks.   By the time the NCAA decided to give a player eligibility and the player got registered and the player learned the playbook the season would be half over.

Another option that nobody is talking about might be that a player can play in a conference this fall and then transfer and play in the B1G in the spring.   Say a player gets injured in the 3rd game at FSU and is out until March.   Could he transfer to the B1G and play the spring season.   Another option might be if a player graduates in December and then transfers to B1G to play the spring season.

Not saying it will happen, but it could.

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Mr Miggle

August 19th, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^

Chaundee Brown is still waiting for his waiver to play basketball at Michigan. They just turned down Cade Mays, the former 5* OT who transferred to Tennessee.

The NCAA would have to make a new rule approving immediate eligibility for all waivers to make make this happen in time.

This is the type of thing the schools don't allow the NCAA to decide on its own. The NCAA has very little power to make rules. The schools use them to administer the rules that they voted in.

This rule change was already proposed and the member schools decided to schedule a vote for next year. It's impossible to see the Big Ten, PAC-12 and some others going along with this idea right now.

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robpollard

August 19th, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^

No chance.

Players might want to do it, and SEC schools definitely will want it, but the NCAA will not want to have any part in that kind of chaos. And if you want any sure fire way to get B1G and Pac-12 schools to leave your organization and start their own, start making rules that hurts them and only them.

Beyond that, iust to pick one scenario -- let's say the NCAA allows this and Justin Fields transfers to Mississippi State. Then, Justin Fields gets very sick (or worse) due to him playing football during a pandemic.

NCAA wants no part of, "Well, you allowed it, so you must have thought it was safe to play football in Mississippi! Here's your lawsuit!"

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crg

August 19th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^

We all knew this was coming but there is also a strong chance of the other conferences having to shutdown later this year.  I expect the NCAA to "think about it" for a while and wait to see if it actually matters.

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gruden

August 19th, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^

Exactly, there's nothing to gain for the NCAA acting quickly.  They can slow-play it until the next season when it's presumably a non-issue.  No legal case will get resolved (short of getting thrown out) in 6-8 months when it matters.

This will hurt the Big 10 and Pac12, I have no doubt, far more than the NCAA.  All the negative recruiting the teams from the playing conferences will be in full effect, and it will be the conferences that shoulder most of the blame.  And then there's the financial impact.

Makes me wonder, if conferences can choose their own fates whether to play or not, why do they need the NCAA at all?

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Perkis-Size Me

August 19th, 2020 at 5:07 PM ^

Then they made their bed. For better or worse, they’re sleeping in it. I wouldn’t care if it was Nico or our backup long snapper.

Make your choice and live with the consequences. No bailouts, takebacks, or “I made a mistake” pleas. If you leave Michigan for Ole Miss and the season is cancelled, then you’re at Ole Miss and you’re not coming back.

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Mmmm-43

August 19th, 2020 at 4:50 PM ^

Assuming his team is at the 85 scholarship limit, has anyone asked Lane to list, by name, the players he’d drop in order to make room for these transferring players?  I guess he could ask for that limit to be increased while he’s at it. 

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Mmmm-43

August 19th, 2020 at 5:43 PM ^

No need for Michigan to drop any. None of the players would have been denied a four-year scholarship.

Wisconsin has already said those spring athletes who were given another year of eligibility can move on with their lives - the school’s scholarship commitment has been fulfilled.

However, 2021 scholarship limits are still up for discussion I’m sure. 

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BlueWolverine02

August 19th, 2020 at 6:07 PM ^

You don't think an SEC team could find some 5th year players to cut to make room for Kwitty Paye if he want's to transfer?

And hypothetically, are you giving Ambry Thomas, Nico Collins and Kwitty Paye the firm handshake next year because their 4 years are up and we don't owe them anything anymore?

I'm not saying the 85 scholarship thing isn't an issue, I just don't think it's as  unique to this situation as you are implying.  Essentially in 2021 we will be having a 50 person freshmen class coming in.  Who knows what attrition will look like but that's a lot of guys getting a firm handshake all across the conference/NCAA.

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RGard

August 19th, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^

First somebody has to ask to transfer and then be given immediate eligibility to play and it's doubtful the NCAA will yes..  

I don't see that happening unless it's some kid who thinks he's buried too deep in the roster to get a lot of playing time (in the spring or 2021) before he graduates.

Maybe some of those Ohio State 3* & 4*s not expecting to see the field much?

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