Joe Burrow Confirms that the cash from OBJ was real
In an interview with Pardon My Take Podcast, Joe Burrow was asked straight up if the money from OBJ was real. His reply is comical. "I'm not a student athlete anymore, so yeah the money was real."
The NCAA will do nothing about the cheating that goes on in this sport.
Any school that continues to play by the rules is ignorant. You can sit on your high horse and point the morality finger all you want, but don't complain when fans stop showing up and stop spending money. We'll stop letting buckeyes in the big house when you start showing that you're ready to take football serious.
Link to podcast - interview starts at the 32 minute mark. https://podcastone.com/pardon-my-take
January 15th, 2020 at 9:34 AM ^
If you want to be a fan of a win-at-all-costs program, you have options.
January 16th, 2020 at 12:13 AM ^
I want the team I am a fan of, to be a win at all costs program.
paying players, online classes that someone else completes. Whatever needs to be done. Just don’t allow the players to be above the law. They commit a (victim) crime, don’t protect them. Follow stupid and unjust rules is not doing anything morally right. It’s closer to immoral.
January 15th, 2020 at 9:46 AM ^
Then athletic departments should no longer be tax exempt. And booster's donations should no longer be tax deductible.
January 15th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^
This was one of the best episodes of Pardon My Take ever. Their drunkenness/hangover (including Joe Burrow) made this so real and funny lol.
Joe really seems like the guy you would want to hang out with.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
Full quote from Shaq and his time at LSU:
"Yes, they paid very well. Statute of limitations is up. I can talk about it...That’s right baby, LSU.”
January 15th, 2020 at 10:22 AM ^
Reminds me of one of my all-time favorite movies, Baseketball.
"Do you think Shaq got rich playing in Orlando? Hardly, he made his fortune moving to L.A. You know how much he makes now?"
"As much as he made playing in college?"
January 15th, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
Remer: All right, dude, listen to me carefully. Do you think Shaq got rich playing in Orlando?
Coop: No, he got rich playing in college. Everyone knows that.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^
I can't be the only one who read this in Shaq's voice.
January 15th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
If you read it in any voice other than Trey Parker and Matt Stone, you're doing it wrong.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:07 AM ^
All these hot takes about taking a sledgehammer to academics. These guys are student-athletes and should be striving to succeed in the classroom as much as on the field. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?
Cutting academics and paying players is not what Michigan stands for. It was always about working hard and shaping men and women of character. The day we bend academic standards and cut corners is the day I officially give up on Michigan athletics.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:13 AM ^
i know these words of wisdom will nevertheless get neg'd.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
I have a bridge to sell you if you think that Michigan isn't cutting corners and bending academic standards for their athletes, my friend.
Almost no one on the football team would be accepted to the school as a normal student, and almost none of them could keep up as normal students. That's just the reality.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:32 AM ^
I can name at least a few dozen of players from the last few year that would have been able to be here as normal students without football. Some were backups and scout team, but some were also starters.
It can be done (and other schools have shown this too).
January 15th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
No, you literally cannot run a competitive D1 football program without bending academic standards. It is impossible. If we were to suddenly apply the same standards to student athletes that we do to everyone else, our football team would consist of maybe 1 or 2 higher profile recruits per year, and the rest be unranked/walk ons. We would be no better than a D3 program.
Let's all just be realistic about this. There is no moral high ground in regard to academic standards when it comes to Michigan football.
January 15th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^
A few dozen out of 100+ doesn't change anything..
January 15th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^
Unwavering, there’s an academic points rating for each football team.
https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/05/2018-ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-apr-rankings/2
In 2017, Michigan was 3rd in 2018 they dropped a bit but finished 6th – ahead of Stanford, two points beneath Navy and Duke, and only seven points below Northwestern.
They dropped again this year, but transfers harm your score and a lot of guys have left lately.
January 15th, 2020 at 11:09 AM ^
double post.
January 15th, 2020 at 11:10 AM ^
That's all well and good, but APR doesn't really mean much, when the players have "tutors" that "help" athletes complete assignments in their general studies degrees.
January 15th, 2020 at 2:09 PM ^
Tends to undercut your point when Clemson is right behind Michigan in 7th, Alabama is 14th, and OSU is 21st -- ahead of, for example, Georgia Tech (28), Rice (38), and Cal (41). For the most recent year, Clemson moved up to 3rd, OSU jumped to 12th, and Alabama is 17th -- all ahead of Michigan at 22. In short, using APR as a gauge of academic emphasis is misguided.
January 15th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
Why is it misguided? Because it doesnt fit your view of what teams are "smart" or not cheating? It doesnt fit your narrative?
January 16th, 2020 at 1:24 PM ^
Well, if you want to believe that OSU or Clemson provide better academic opportunities for their student-athletes than, say, Rice, go right ahead. Since mountains of data indicate that the academics at Rice are superior, I'm going to infer that APR is measuring something other than a football program's emphasis on academics.
January 15th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^
Damn straight. This man gets it.
Congrats to you, young man, for your hard work inside and outside the classroom.
January 16th, 2020 at 1:30 AM ^
Was It the Michigan way when Yost was getting all sorts of guys on the team from other schools, or some that were not even in school? What about when Bo allowed Anthony Carter to misbehave repeatedly, in a manner that would have got lost guys kicked off the team, all because he was a star.
I can’t stand this bull shit that uofm needs to hold players to a higher standard. Yes, uofm is a better academic school than almost every other school with a good football team. If a player wants to be a committed student, good for them. But we can demand it. Not without costing us on the field. Probably somewhere are 10% of our scholarship players could get into uofm without being a football star, maybe less.
pay the players. Win the games. Let’s go.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^
Who defines what Michigan stands for? I'm not attacking you, I'm genuinely wondering. I don't think there's a consensus here.
January 15th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
I can't speak to whether or not Michigan players have been paid (I'm guessing at least some of them have, but its probably not systemic), but if you think Michigan doesn't bend the rules academically to get some of these guys on campus, then I don't know what to tell you.
I couldn't say who this accounts for, but I guarantee you at least one person is on this team every year that, if not for the ability to play football, would not be at Michigan.
January 15th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^
Well Michigan sure doesn't stand for "championship football" like they try to tell us every time they play the James Earl Jones video.
January 15th, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^
Wolverines_777 is part of the problem.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:11 AM ^
Good. He deserves to be given money.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:14 AM ^
Yes... cheating goes unpunished in the NCAA until Michigan does it
January 15th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
From the player perspective, the whole thing must be very confusing. On the one hand, you get all sorts of free stuff: training table, room, board, tuition, bowl swag, tutoring (snicker,) championship rings, gold pants, etc. On the other, you are supposed to turn down other free things: loaner cars, tattoos, “tutors” doing your homework for you, straight up cash from boosters. Yes, it’s all very strange and confusing.
January 15th, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
And this is why the compliance office instructs players about what's permissible and what isn't.
January 15th, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^
It's not that confusing. If you are getting something from someone in an official capacity like a coach/trainer/the school (apparel, training table, tuition) or from the people who run a bowl or championship (ringz, swag) that makes sense to get.
If you are getting it from someone who doesnt work for the school and who tells you not to tell anyone, you shouldnt take it. Not that confusing.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^
The NCAA didn't care for $170k being funneled to players' families via a fake charity; I doubt anything really matters to them.
Again, the part of me that likes seeing players get paid for their services and not millions being given to cretins in jackets on the sideline is happy OBJ just handed out hundreds to kids. The part of me that supports a school that seemingly won't just accept reality and keeps holding back from following suit is annoyed.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:35 AM ^
I mean what's the NCAA going to do about it? What can they do about it? My money is on next to nothing.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:43 AM ^
The NCAA can *do* almost whatever they want - they write their own rules and are judge/jury/executioner. Just look at what they did in the PSU case - they took action that was quite severe and unprecedented mainly for the public perception aspect (and later quietly rolled back much of the punishment).
The real question is what *will* the NCAA do, which (sad to say) is probably nothing.
January 15th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
There are many mis-understandings of how the NCAA works.
It is an organization set up by the colleges which they willingly take part in. The NCAA has no power over the individual schools other than what the schools are willing to submit to. The NCAA can’t subpoena documents or force anyone to be interviewed. It is all at the will of the school. If the NCAA is able to get proof of wrongdoing then they do have the power to implement punishment, but it has to be with proof which they have no forceful way of obtaining. This is why there is a post once a year about OSU self reporting 100+ minor recruiting violations, yet when the big stuff happens they can deny, deny, deny.
January 15th, 2020 at 5:07 PM ^
True, the NCAA cannot force a school to do anything. However, the NCAA can shut schools out of various events, programs, etc. - which can serve as sufficient incentive for schools to comply. Why else would SMU have complied with the "death penalty" back when it was applied?
January 15th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^
GOOOOOOD. PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY. PAY THEM ALL.
Now we need to get Woodson and Brady on our sideline with fat wads of crisp bills just making it rain. Come to Michigan, and 'after your last game' you'll be 'taken care of.'
January 15th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
My interpretation is that NIL will legalize the bagmen. They will now be able to sign the players to contracts for their likeness and pay them above the table instead of being sneaky about it. There won't be a distinction between "NIL money" and "bagmen money" - as long as it's documented, it'll be legit. That's my takeaway anyway.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^
I mean do we really fucking care that an NFL player who is an alum and is also well known for being flamboyant with his cash, and is quite obviously pretty intoxicated, gives a few hundred dollars to kids who just won the national championship? I mean they won the game, this didn't impact the way the game went.
The issue is the NCAA is so ass-backwards in everything they do; they literally can't handle anything the right way. So when situations like this which aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of all the rampant cheating that goes on, but are so blatant, we need to highlight them because surly the NCAA won't turn a blind eye to something so out there.
Prediction: they won't do a damn thing. maybe they'll ban OBJ from LSU games for a year.
January 15th, 2020 at 4:56 PM ^
Ban OBJ does nothing ... he will just Venmo the cash and Snapchat the virtual handshake
January 15th, 2020 at 10:48 AM ^
Yea he's allowed to be payed but his recipients aren't. So if this comment is real and the money was real he's an absolute moron and they should be penalized for being dumb.
January 15th, 2020 at 10:49 AM ^
double post
January 15th, 2020 at 10:53 AM ^
The NCAA is useless. Between this and the booster thing from earlier this year, this is a triumphant FU from LSU to the NCAA and the NCAA isn't going to do a thing to stop it.
We play under a different set of rules than schools like LSU, Bama, and Georgia play under. We will never catch them if the system remains as it is
January 15th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
Seemingly we have one of these discussions every day now which I find somewhat amusing because of these self-evident facts:
1. College football powerhouses have de-emphasized academics to the point where they are almost meaningless. The best football programs are gearing their academic programs to accomidate the rigors of serious college football, not the other way around.
2. College football powerhouse most definitely funnel money and apparently a LOT of money to the families of elite athletes to garner their services for a couple of years. This is a fact, not speculation anymore.
3. Michigan wishes to return to its "glory days" of football when we were considered a powerhouse yet it does not wish to significantly reduce the emphasis on academics nor does it wish to get its hands dirty by paying recruits.
This the classic "guns vs butter" debate and yet we as a fanbase seem to want both guns and butter and guys I've got news for you.....in today's environment you have to chose one or the other and live with it.
January 15th, 2020 at 4:10 PM ^
butter.
butter all day long
January 15th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^
Do you cheat on your taxes? I'm just curious which rules should be followed, and which ones shouldn't? Should sexual assaults by athletes remain illegal? The idea that everyone does it, so you should too is juvenile morality and is a terrible life lesson for a place of higher education to be projecting. What should be done is that those who follow the rules should either stop participating, if their governing body shamelessly closes its eyes to transgressions OR they should advocate appropriate rules changes that will lead to people following the rules. To suggest UM just hops into the moral abyss because a minority of other school do it, is absurd. UM should work with the schools that care to either reform policing, or reform the rules.
January 15th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^
Nowhere in my post do I advocate a position - I simply state that the objective of returning Michigan football to it's former glory days will be impossible if we continue to operate under a different set of rules than the teams already there.
You might not like that reality but that's where things stand. Accept 9-3 with academic purity and no bagman or drop those restrictions and compete for top tier talent.
I'm not saying which one we should pursue. I'm simply saying, as much as it upsets fans/alum like you, you cant have both anymore.
January 15th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
Accepting 9-3 while having to live to different standards is a recipe for Harbaugh to leave for the NFL soon, similar to Beilein moving to the NBA. After that happens good luck finding anyone who can sustain 9-3 annually to come coach at Michigan.
There has to be a collection of coaches, AD’s and Presidents who are going to get sick of this. When they finally choose to band together and be a united voice against the current system, that is the only way this changes. Until then, whatever.