Jim Harbaugh: 3 quarterbacks battling for starting job (ESPN)

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"[Speight] comes in really tied for first with John O'Korn and Brandon Peters, legitimately, through competition," Harbaugh said. "Throughout all the spring, we went through 15 practices and it was a dead heat. But the good news is they all did some things. Brandon really shot up. John O'Korn really played consistently good. And Wilton really had some impressive moments as well."

BigBirdBlue

July 25th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^

And 'really having some impressive moments' don't sound like Speight is grabbing control of the job. You have to think though that he will start against Florida, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a quick pull for O'korn or Peters if the offense is looking sloppy.

Reader71

July 25th, 2017 at 5:32 PM ^

Harbaugh has never been a quick hook kind of guy. He was a QB, he knows a QB having someone breathing down his neck is no good. That's like having to face a 12 man defense -- extra pressure. Even if you believe him that the starter will be determined in camp, believe that whoever wins th job then will be the guy until next season.

AA Forever

July 25th, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^

If you're going to play up the "every job is open" and "everyone has to earn their job every day" shtick, then you have to make good on that.  If Peters starts outplaying Speight, and Harbaugh sticks with Speight, then why should any other starters be motivated to keep competing?

Michigan4Life

July 25th, 2017 at 7:54 PM ^

because you don't bench a QB who won you 10 games with a NY6 bowl berth and has the locker room behind him.  Starting Peters could potentially divide the locker room. Harbaugh knows and understand the locker room dynamics. QB is one position where experience trumps talent especially when a QB is successful and won multiple games.

Harbaugh's talk is just all talk when it comes to QB IMO. Speight is the starter until he's hurt or he's fucking awful.

AA Forever

July 25th, 2017 at 9:43 PM ^

you might have a point.  But he really didn't.  

Completing passes against tough competition trumps everything.  If Peters can do it and Speight can't, who do you think should be playing?  If the locker room can't get behind the better player on the field, then Harbaugh has a problem.

Reader71

July 26th, 2017 at 8:27 AM ^

This is a different issue. If Speight can't complete passes and Peters can, then there is no three way tie. Peters would be the QB, and would remain he QB through ups and downs. Whoever wins the job will be the man, and he won't be on a short leash. Harbaugh is a good coach. Competition is good, but at the QB position, at a certain point, it essentially stops. There are only so many practice reps to go around, and the starter needs almost all of them if the offense is to be cohesive. A successful season is much more likely if you back your guy and provide him some confidence when he inevitably has an off day.

Reader71

July 26th, 2017 at 8:22 AM ^

Because every other non-OL starter sometimes leaves the field. The QB, like it or not, is a different thing. I think you're a bit too hung up on the meritocracy talking point. Alex Smith had earned reps, and then when he got hurt, Kaepernick earned reps. Did they run a QB rotation out there, as you would if two left guards were running neck and neck? No. The QB has to be The Man.

BigBirdBlue

July 25th, 2017 at 10:06 PM ^

I agree Harbaugh doesn't seem to be a twitchy trigger finger, and I'm sure he views those decisions through a lens I couldn't posses. I think that to expect the season starter to remain so throughout the season could be off. Speight did indeed start for 10 victories last year, along with a super gutsy comeback against Minnesota the year before. Those 10 W's were not all created equal though. If Speight is able to produce against the better defenses, I agree he stays QB1. However, if the same disappearing act happens like vs Iowa or 2nd half of OSU, I'd welcome a shot to see if another QB has better moxie in those spots.

Harbaugh's Lef…

July 25th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^

This is Jim Harbaugh being Jim Harbaugh.

He's made statements like this before where everyone has to earn their position, nothing will be given or assumed and this is the way it should be!

 

AA Forever

July 25th, 2017 at 6:31 PM ^

what difference does it REALLY make?  Nobody is going to prepare significantly differently for any of our QBs.  It's just a silly affectation of Harbaugh's.  He will probably not annouce a starting QB before the first game, he'll just wait until the first series and send them out.  But there's no real point.

Fieldy'sNuts

July 25th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^

If we were opening up aganst Wayne State at the Big House you might see Peters start the first game. But we aren't. We're opening up against the Florida Gators in Jerry's World. There is no chance Speight does not start that game short of injury or suspension. 

UMgradMSUdad

July 26th, 2017 at 9:24 AM ^

Exactly this.  My sense is that Harbaugh doesn't worry about the stage being too big for a first time starter, as a lot of posters here seem to.  All games are big stages, and players should be ready to go whether the starter or back up. If he views Peters as slightly ahead of Speight at the end of fall practice, Peters will start.  And it doesn't matter how big the game is, who has more experience, where they ranked last season, in spring practice, or even at the beginning of fall practice.

The one thing I think we do all agree on is that O'Korn is a distant third, and unless he somehow makes a miraculous leap in his fifth year in college football, he's not in the conversation except as a third stringer.

 

BakkerUSMC

July 25th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^

Supposedly Speight had off-season surgery as well, so his spring game may not have been an accurate indication of his level of play. Excited to see how he does with 100% health again, all signs point to him as the starter against UF

Ali G Bomaye

July 25th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^

Peters may or may not make a push for the starting job during the year, because he has all the talent in the world. But the only way he starts against Florida is if Speight is still recovering from his shoulder injury.

SpeakOut

July 25th, 2017 at 5:01 PM ^

What's the word on Alex Malzone?  I had high expectations for the guy and he's fallen so far out of view that Harbaugh doesn't even mention him.  Is he still even on the roster?

Coldwater

July 25th, 2017 at 5:04 PM ^

I just wasn't as physically talented in all phases of the QB position as the others. Not everybody is meant to be a starting quarterback at a D1 college. He'll have great memories that will last a lifetime

lilpenny1316

July 25th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^

His only significant game action in 2+ years came on a windy, snowy day with only one week of first team reps.  I know garbage time stats aren't very meaningful, but he was 13-18, 2 TDs outside of the Indiana game.

 

 

Perkis-Size Me

July 25th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^

Nothing ever wrong with a little competition. Harbaugh doesn't want anyone getting too comfortable. Every position is up for grabs.

I'm guessing Speight still gets the nod for Florida, as he's got the experience in these types of games and Peters doesn't, but Peters will be pushing hard throughout camp. And then after Speight leaves, the battle royale between Peters and McCaffery begins. 

LSAClassOf2000

July 25th, 2017 at 5:17 PM ^

In a year where there is now an incumbent, it seems like one might think Speight and then probably O'Korn and then Peters, but I do like how Harbaugh phrases these things and not so subtly motivates the internal competition. I would think the default assumption of most of us would be Speight, but a small part of me is like, "This is Harbaugh's world. Who really knows what the first team offense will look like on September 2nd?"

Mongo

July 25th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^

and it was the exact same as last year. "There are three guys all tied and we will have a great competition. It will take about 14 days, but it will become clear to the entire team who That Guy is after they compete." Very simple, that meritocracy thing.

Esterhaus

July 25th, 2017 at 5:33 PM ^

We need offensive linemen, Jim will have his two quartbacks ready to play by Florida. If I'm Malzone or O'Korn, I'm eating big these days to become a trapping QB.

SwitchbladeSam

July 25th, 2017 at 5:58 PM ^

If you combine stats for Wisconsin, Michigan St, Iowa, Ohio St and Florida St ... 

Speight had a 2-3 record. He was 91 for 157 with 948 yards. He had 4 td's and 6 interceptions and was sacked 12 times.

Take that for whatever it's worth. I know he was battling a shoulder injury during a lot of that time.  But I don't think it's out of the question to think that Peters has a legit chance to start the first game 

MI Expat NY

July 26th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^

That seems to be cherry picking a little bit by including MSU.  I'd look at his games against his best six opponents: OSU, PSU, FSU, Colorado, Wisconsin, and Iowa.  He was 112 for 196, 1,123 yards, 6 tds, 5 ints, and sacked 15 times.  So on a per game basis against the best opponents, his average line would be something like 19 for 33, 175 yards, 1 td, 1 int, and 2.5 sacks.  

Overall, I think the stats support your point.  Speight generally lit up the bad teams.  Average line vs. Hawaii, UCF, Illinois, and Maryland (I'm ignoring Rutgers because the passing game barely had to operate, and when he was throwing the weather wasn't great): 17.5 for 28, 268 yards, 2.75 TDs, 0.25 INTs, 1.25 sacks.  He didn't have a great game against a good opponent.  I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be a legitimate competition in camp.  

Santa Clause

July 25th, 2017 at 5:58 PM ^

I keep hearing how Speight is going to take the next step. What do posters mean by that? Because from my prespective, his ceiling isn't very high. Is it going to be because his understanding of the offense will be improved, just better stats, or improved mechanics, etc...?

Prince_of_Nachos

July 25th, 2017 at 6:26 PM ^

Speight doesn't have the arm strength to throw the deep ball on the run, meaning he has to plant both feet to get the ball downfield. But his footwork is inconsistent and he is prone to happy feet under pressure, which led to many poorly thrown balls last year.

His extreme immobility is also a huge detriment to a college offense, where D-lineman are usually ahead of O-lineman and pressure is constant.

On top of this, while he does seem to relish competing under pressure, he also seems to lack focus over the full 60 minutes.

Speight is elite at making reads and has great pocket awareness. But the Spring Game highlighted a lot of the same negative trends we saw all last year. There's a reason Speight was the #23 Pro-Style QB in his class - he doesn't have the talent of a top-tier B1G QB.

AA Forever

July 25th, 2017 at 6:38 PM ^

In this day and age, a QB like Speight who is not a threat to run has to be an elite passer in order for his team to be able to compete at a NC level.  Speight is not, and will not be at that level.  Harbaugh has been coaching him up for 2 1/2 years, so anything he's going to learn, he has.

goblue16

July 25th, 2017 at 6:26 PM ^

All this hate Wilton is getting and I know people want the young talent in peters. But where does Wilton rank among the likes of Navarre Brady greise Collins henne Robinson Gardner threet Sheridan and Henson

Michifornia

July 25th, 2017 at 7:00 PM ^

He will lead us to contention for the B1G and hopefully CFP.  Peters will get his feet wet but will not replace a health Speight.  O'Korn will be wearing a headset and flashing all sorts of signals all game long (that looks exhausting).

The battle next year will be among some young guns.  But this year is Speight's and as he goes, so does Michigan.

GO BLUE!!

Mongo

July 25th, 2017 at 7:18 PM ^

bottom line is who has the best command of the first team offense mid-way thru camp? That guy is the starter at QB for the entire season baring injury. Can Peters out dual Speight and O'Korn in terms of football leadership skills? Does he have a higher command of that first team offense in terms of moving the chains and scoring points? Harbaugh is going to test them all in that role. Best man wins.

SMart WolveFan

July 26th, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^

......the scenario is a top 20 matchup, the 1st game of the year, in the "titanic" of football venues and my choices are:

A: 9 game winner, fought back from a rough start in Columbus enough to beat everyone on the field but the refs and brought his team back to the lead in a bowl game against a top 10 team.

Or 

B: That talented kid from the midwest who won his state championship.

 

Even if Peters is playing by the 3rd qrtr because we need his ceiling to win, there is little chance Harbaugh dumps all the pressure on a 1st time starter when he has the strong foundation of Spieght's floor to start from.