RGard

March 24th, 2021 at 11:27 AM ^

Be careful...RCMB is the abyss.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."

-Friedrich Nietzsche.

mGrowOld

March 24th, 2021 at 11:01 AM ^

Ok, they were initially pretty underwhelmed by the hire and felt they owned  basketball coaching superiority in the state at the time.

Quick show of hands here though, how many of you guys are like me and had your expectations of Juwan completely blown away by his actual results?  Replacing a coach as good as Beilein isnt easy and especially on short notice.  But he has done better than I could've have hoped for in all ways so i kinda get why they werent too worried at the time.

I was talking to my OSU friend this week and told him "Tressel was a great coach for you guys but Meyers was elite."  I think the Tressel to Meyers comparison might turn out to be the same for us in basketball for Beilein to Howard.   Great to elite.

Stringer Bell

March 24th, 2021 at 11:04 AM ^

I thought he would be very successful based on his recruiting ability and personality alone.  But yes, his X’s and O’s acumen is well beyond I expected (although in hindsight it makes sense considering he worked under Spoelstra, one of the best X’s and O’s coaches in the NBA, for a long time).  MSU fans are terrified cuz they know the midget is on his way out and this year probably shortened his lifespan by a decade.  Once he leaves Juwan will own the state for a long time.

gobluem

March 24th, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^

This is such a ridiculous take that I logged in to downvote and respond

 

As much as I dislike State, they're unquestionably a basketball blue blood

 

They've made 23 consecutive NCAA tournaments, have the 6th most Final Four appearances, with 6 in the last 20 years and 3 since 2010

 

Under Izzo they have never had a losing season, won 10 conference reg season titles, 6 conference tourneys, and reached the Sweet Sixteen 20 times, Elite Eight 14 times, Final Four 8 times

Stringer Bell

March 24th, 2021 at 12:34 PM ^

Duke was great in the 60s and 70s as well, and UCLA won a title in 1995 and went to 3 straight Final Fours under Ben Howland.  As has been shown, MSU was the definition of average under Jud when he didn’t have Magic.  Hell, Michigan has had success under more coaches than MSU and I don’t think anyone would consider us a basketball blue blood.

Rabbit21

March 24th, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^

Much as it pains me to say this as a UCLA fan.  UCLA is not a basketball Blue Blood.  They had a run for the ages with Wooden, but UCLA Basketball is not what drives the school's athletic department they way Kentucky, Duke, UNC, and Kansas basketball do.  MSU is in a similar boat as UCLA, great run of success, some fortunate runs outside of that but I would not expect it to be a consistent contender the way I expect the other four programs to be independent of who is coaching there.  

Stringer Bell

March 24th, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^

For the record, the 4 you listed are the 4 I would consider the true blue bloods.  You start including MSU in that group then you have to also include schools like Louisville, UConn and Villanova.  While those schools have had a lot of recent success they don’t fit my definition of a blue blood.

Michology 101

March 24th, 2021 at 3:15 PM ^

The subject of Blue Bloods in college basketball can be so subjective and debatable. You stating UCLA isn't a Blue Blood just proves that point even further. 

Some people feel that title should only be given to the main traditional Blood Blue schools, like Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and UCLA. 

Though some people like myself feel the list can be much longer with schools such as Indiana, Arizona, Louisville, Syracuse, UCONN, Villanova and maybe some more. 

Many people who follow college basketball around the country do consider MSU to be a popular Blue Blood, at least right now. 

Though a lot of Michigan fans won't agree for obvious reasons. 

I also believe Blue Blood status can come and go in college basketball. I mean, schools like Georgetown and even Maryland to a small degree were once considered Blood Blues.

Indiana's weak Blue Blood status will probably be removed if they don't eventually turn things around with their program. 

Maison Bleue

March 24th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

They are a tier below UK, UNC, Duke and Kansas and most definitely NOT a blueblood. They have been out of the first weekend of the tourney once in the last six years, so they also seem to be declining.


Also, they did not make the tournament this year, so that streak is over. You don’t make the tournament if you lose the “play-in” game.

Pepper Brooks

March 24th, 2021 at 12:50 PM ^

sparty has the 4th best all-time record in the Big Ten.  Illinois, Indiana, and Purdue all have better records.  Are those 3 also "blue bloods"?

List of NCAA Basketball Teams by Winning Percentage

1. Kentucky 76.5%

2. North Carolina 73.6%

3. Kansas 72.8%

4. Duke 71.1%

6. UCLA 68.8%

19. Illinois 63.9%

24. Indiana 63.6%

25. Purdue 63.4%

38. Michigan State 61.4%

Ali G Bomaye

March 24th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^

Take away his two years with Magic, and Jud Heathcote averaged four games over .500 in his other 17 years at MSU (making the tournament 7 times in those 17 seasons). And that's almost entirely due to a couple seasons when Steve Smith and Shawn Respert went off. He never made the Elite Eight without Magic. That's pretty pathetic for a B1G school.

shoes

March 24th, 2021 at 4:24 PM ^

Jud perhaps doesn't get enough credit. He did have several bad seasons but he also had some success without Magic. A Steve Smith led team won the Big Ten in 1989-1990 at 15-3 and finished 3rd in the AP poll. The 1985-86 team led by Scott Skiles went 23-8 (12-6). 

 Duke actually did  have considerable success before K, reaching the final 4, 3 times in a 4 year period between from 1962-63 thru 1965-66 under Vic Bubas. In fact Bubas' Duke teams went 213-67 (.761).

Who is a "Blue blood" depends upon the time frame and criteria used. Kentucky and Kansas are the first two that come to mind for me. Duke would be close. UCLA is mostly a Wooden phenomena just as MSU is mostly a Izzo phenomena. I'm biased but I also think I am fair, by including Michigan as a Blue blood even if there have been a few barren stretches. We went to the finals in the 1960's, 1970's 1980's 1990's (twice) and twice in the 2010s, that is pretty impressive over more than 50 years.

edit- I intended to include Indiana, but left them out was typing this out.