Harbaugh = John Cooper
November 30th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
Hoke beat OSU ??♂️??♂️??♂️
November 30th, 2019 at 4:17 PM ^
I hate when people drop this sentence like theyre some wise sage and we're all supposed to say "WOW. GREAT POINT MAN"
Like that wasn't the worst OSU team of the last 50 years. Any of Harbaugh's teams would've rolled them.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:24 PM ^
I'm not so sure honestly
November 30th, 2019 at 5:26 PM ^
That OSU team was 6-7
OSU has lost 6 games since they last won the national title in 2014
Every Harbaugh team would've beaten them. Honestly Rich Rod might've beaten them if he was allowed to stay
November 30th, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh is the safe choice. John Harbaugh is the much better coach. Too bad he will never come here.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^
Nah. Cooper's rosters were on the same level, talent-wise, as UM's.
If you watched today's game and think that UM has the talent to compete with OSU in anything short of completely ideal circumstances, I don't know what to tell you.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:23 PM ^
Well apparently Iowa, penn state and fucking Purdue must have lots more talent than I realized.
OSU only had two matchups where they head and shoulders better than Michigan: their interior oline versus our defensive tackles and Chase young versus anyone.
Michigan lost because of poor coaching and numerous mental gaffes. Is OSU extremely talented? Yes. But if Purdue and Iowa can run OSU off the field and we’re spotting them damn near 60 before the game starts, where you do think the problem lies?
November 30th, 2019 at 6:27 PM ^
OSU didn’t take those games seriously. You must not be paying attention.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^
Not this year. OSU has been focused all year and no team outside of LSU or Clemson can even dream of possibly beating them this year.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:01 PM ^
Not this year. OSU has been focused all year and no team outside of LSU or Clemson can even dream of possibly beating them this year.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^
Hoke's teams had just as big of a talent gap and he went toe to toe with Urban's teams every single year...
November 30th, 2019 at 5:23 PM ^
Idk, that’s a questionable one.
2011- Michigan probably has the “Talent” edge that game. Denard and [4th year of] RichRod Recruits...
2012 - First full year of Urban’s recruits— remember he got that bonus month of recruiting no one else got, because he took the job in December, however all actual coaches had the “dead period” and Urban didn’t.
2013- was the first year that the talent gap spread largely.
2014- Urban’s first recruiting class are juniors— Zeke— and win a National Championship.
2015- Enter Harbaugh.
Definite Gap growth from 2011–2015, and now we’re in 2019 looking at Harbaugh to have cut the talent gap that Urban had a 4-year advantage on? C’mon.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:14 PM ^
So you're saying we should hire Tressel?
November 30th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^
I’d say he needs to win two games before you put the equal sign in the same sentence.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:16 PM ^
I’d give the edge to Cooper in terms of results. But Cooper also wasn’t playing against the same kind of juggernaut that Harbaugh has to face.
The reality is that there are no perfect parallels in the history of this rivalry. Other than maybe very very early back in the early 20th century.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^
That's a good point tais. Harbaugh is currently playing against the Death Star.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^
This isn't fair. OSU had more more or at minimum equal talent and underachieved. We are at a talent deficit compared to them currently. I'm not making excuses but it is a fact.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^
More a lot of the time. Those teams were stacked too.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^
But Cooper was always favored to win and lost. Dumb comparison. Dumb post.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:24 PM ^
LOL!
Harbaugh as good as Cooper? No fucking way!
Cooper was a better recruiter and a better coach. He was NEVER embarrassed the way Harbaugh has been these last two years. And Cooper actually managed to win a couple!
November 30th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^
Why insult Cooper? "THE" game has evolved into "THE" joke. OSU is the only team showing up for this game anymore. No longer is this a rivalry, that ended a few years ago. Maybe Rutger really is UM's real rival.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:36 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh is NOT....REPEAT, NOT! Emphasizing the rivalry, whatever moron does not get that is delusional!
November 30th, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^
Not even. Cooper had national title caliber teams. Harbaugh just has decent to good teams that are incredibly uncompetitive against OSU
November 30th, 2019 at 4:40 PM ^
Wrong. Harbaugh faced Urban Meyer and a Ferrari assembled by Urban. Cooper faced an underachieving Lloyd Carr.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:50 PM ^
Whatever people say in Harbaugh's defense us just excuse making.
He is poo. His greatness is exaggerated, and it was by me when he was hired. I thought the perfect timing of this hire would be the year they hired Hoke--but it was not to be.
The time has come to find our Urban Meyer or Ryan Day.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:03 PM ^
For a Buckeye troll most don't believe you.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^
Didn't you just have a post where you said "If Haskins follows his blockers he probably scores" or something like that?
WOW ... yep ... players need to make plays because guess what ... when I saw that pulling lineman I said .. "man if he would of just followed him around he would of easily scored".
So .. hmmmm ... players need to make plays huh Stinkster? The play call and blocking was good but the player messed up and it takes players to make plays in big games too!
I saw a lot of players that made bad plays at the wrong time in this game and it happens.
And please about Ryan Day ... he is living off of Meyers team for right now. He has proved nothing and time will only tell if he is THAT good. Let's see where he is at in 7 years. Day was gifted an already majorly talented team.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^
Harbaugh did win in 2016 but I see your point.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^
No he didn’t you delusional fuck.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:03 PM ^
If he leaves, I’d look at PJ, Matt Campbell or Dabo.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^
Dude, John Cooper's teams were better than UM, ranked higher than UM, and lost to them.
When has Harbaugh gone into one of these games with the better team?
Dumb post.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
He's an overrated joke who puts together mentally weak teams. Those players constantly choke in big situations. Fumbled snaps, dropped passes, missed extra points. When the spotlight is on them and the game is on the line, they shy away from it. Each and every one of them. Each and every time.
Half a decade in, and his key accomplishments are beating a shitty MSU team, ALMOST tying Penn State on the road, and having a comfortable win against Indiana (how exciting!). He's done all he can do, and needs to go. Get Rhule in here now and give him free reign to do whatever it takes to close the gap with OSU.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:08 PM ^
At this point I'd say its a fair comparison. Cooper regularly won 10 games but just looked clueless in this match-up. So far I'd say the same holds true for Harbaugh.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^
Harbaugh wishes he were a Cooper. That is an insult to a Cooper.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:16 PM ^
Not even close. John Cooper had his team in a position to be UPSET in The Game. His teams were undefeated or one loss regular season teams. We are always the underdogs and still shit the bed. Cooper was better.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:22 PM ^
I’ll dial this up on the show
November 30th, 2019 at 9:07 PM ^
This is very wrong.
In actuality, Cooper's OSU teams came into the game higher ranked and favored. And lost.
In every game, Harbaugh's Michigan's teams came into the game lower ranked and as the underdog. Yes he lost.
The recruiting deficit is real and going to make beating OSU a rarity.
That's just reality.
And history.