Grant Perry Arraigned for Sexual Assault in EL
December 22nd, 2016 at 11:25 PM ^
more of general "you"
December 23rd, 2016 at 1:58 AM ^
Get off your social injustice excusing bullshit you disgusting fuckface and get the fuck off my planet, asshole.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
FYI grinding up against someone without their consent isn't okay.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:51 PM ^
He was suspended for the game immediately following the bye week.
The arraginment happened yesterday.
There's a chance the staff knew of a MIP or evading police, but not the alleged sexual assault. Harbaugh's track record is not one of lenience.
He is accused of touching a female who was waiting in line outside a downtown East Lansing bar at 12:20 a.m. Oct. 15.4th degree sexual assault.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^
First, if guilty of a criminal sexual conduct crime (even a 4th degree misdemeanor), he should be off the team. Full stop. (And I can't understand why he saw action in the last three games, unless there's some mitigating factor.) We'll all watch this closely, but I want to see my school take this very seriously.
Second, it's good to see that the ELPD actually charges athletes for sex crimes. I hadn't seen much of that prior to this case involving a Michigan player*.
*Lest someone go on auto-shrill, if a person is credibly accused of a sex crime, I want to see them prosecuted regardless of where they go to school or whether they're good at sports. And regardless of the jurisdiction of the offense.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
Is grabbing a butt 4th degree criminal sexual conduct?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
Yes - if it's unwelcome and sexual in nature. 4th degree and misdemeanor for a reason (it's not anywhere near being forced into intercourse - light years from that). So it can be something of the nature of butt-grabbing.
4th degree csc is sort of a catch-all for acts not involving penetration, along with a lot of other variants. A wide variety of behaviors (some status-related) fall under its umbrella.
Google search MCLA 750.520e (Criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree; misdemeanor) if curious.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
Am I missing a line?
I've seen several references saying he grabbed the woman's butt. I didn't see anything specific in the article as to what part of her body he allegedly touched. Are you guys guessing, or do you have other info from another source?
December 22nd, 2016 at 4:43 PM ^
I don't know, is Hatter around? Because I'm guessing a line might go missing if he shows up at your party.
To your serious question, I don't know where (or whether) he touched the woman. I think the question to my comment was looking to see if butt-grabbing falls under the ambit of the statute, since it's a good guess as to what allegedly happened. But 4th degree CSC could be any sexual touching not involving penetration.
Possible defenses that come to mind:
- Mistaken identity (crowded line, and someone else grabs woman)
- Not "sexual" (bumps into woman because he's drunk, she overracts)
- False claim (just never happened - whether accuser makes an honest mistake or acts out of malice)
As many have said, let's get more facts before condemning Perry. Another factor that comes to mind is many P.O.s will seek to charge every possible charge if the suspect runs or resists, and prosecutors often will play along.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
So you honestly believe that if he grabbed someone's butt or grinded up on them in line for a moment, he should be off the team?
Man, looking back on my heyday, I really should have ruined the lives of a dozen women or so who "sexually assaulted" me.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^
Give me the full facts, and I'll give you a better answer. I should have been more precise, but I'm assuming that if the ELPD filed for two counts against him, it had to be pretty egregrious. I am assuming that the ELPD isn't bringing two counts for dirty dancing on an open dance floor, but you're right - who knows.
A true story - I was grocery shopping with my wife and our then-infant son years ago. I saw her checking out some produce, and decided to sneak up on her and grab her butt. As my hand was about six inches away from her, I realized it wasn't her at all. It was pretty much a dead-ringer for my wife, but that would not have been a great defense! Fortunately, I was able to stop my hand, walked away and found my wife and told her the story. She pointed out that I'm an idiot, which was ... (a) hurtful, (b) harsh, (c) true or (d) all of the above. (It was (d).)
I'm with you that I wouldn't want my life ruined by a somewhat benign incident that the stranger might have found very upsetting.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
So you honestly believe that if he grabbed someone's butt or grinded up on them in line for a moment, he should be off the team?
I honestly believe that if he grabbed someone's butt or grinded up on them in line for a moment, while drunk and underage, and then ran from police - he should be off the team.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:42 PM ^
To each his own.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:02 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^
Touching anyone in an intimate area, or on the clothing covering an intimate area without consent and by surprise is minmally 4th degree criminal sexual conduct.
"Intimate parts" includes the primary genital area, groin, inner thigh, buttock, or breast of a human being.
"Sexual contact" includes the intentional touching of the victim's or actor's intimate parts or the intentional touching of the clothing covering the immediate area of the victim's or actor's intimate parts, if that intentional touching can reasonably be construed as being for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, done for a sexual purpose, or in a sexual manner for:
(i) Revenge.
(ii) To inflict humiliation.
(iii) Out of anger.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree if he or she engages in sexual contact with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:
(v) When the actor achieves the sexual contact through concealment or by the element of surprise.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
The way that Harbaugh has dealt with other players(LTT,Cole,Mitchell) I'd like to let the process play out. I trust coach knows what really happened or atleast believes a side that's not as bad as the article portrays.
Is it possible he was wasted and he had a hostile crowd biased against him(it's EL for fuck sake!)? Resisting arrest is not cool, but being wasted and believing your innocent may lead to some negative reaction to which a cooler head would've prevailed.
Not trying to make excuses for the kid but I think Harbaugh has earned the benefit of the doubt here, and I hate it when kids are considered guilty before proven innocent.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:53 PM ^
play out? He was in East Lansing, drunk, may or may not have assaulted a woman and ran from the police. Most of this is indisputable and sufficient information for Harbaugh to act. I don't think a few games off was adequate.
December 22nd, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^
And ran from police. Ok when I was young I might have tried to do the same thing if I was under age and drunk. Maybe he just gave it quick go, and thought better a few moments later. Whatever, he's served some time in the dog house for it.
As for the sexual assault, I don't see how you can dismiss the "process" here. This is a kids life we're talking about.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
My sympathies to the woman involved in this. It is a disgusting thing for a man to do.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 3:52 PM ^
enough for charges to be filed. So unless this is some bizarre case of mistaken identity she gets my sympathies and the benefit of the doubt. He gets due process.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
Serious question. Is this a bootable offense? Where do we draw the line between doghouse and out-of-the-house? I think the sexual assault part of it is definitely the worst part and may be the nail in the coffin. The other stuff should warrant at least a hefty suspension.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
Waiting to see what he truly did (grabbed / touched/ circumstances surrounding) before I give the harshest of judgments.
As unfortuante as it is, you could probably 4th degree CSC at least one action in a lot of drunk college lives.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
Update: UM spokesman Dave Ablauf tells me Perry is "immediately and indefinitely suspended from all team activities" until case resolved
— Chris Haxel (@ChrisHaxel) December 22, 2016
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
Probably the best move by the school/AD/coaches at this point until everything gets sorted out.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^
Statement from UM regarding Perry's arraignment: pic.twitter.com/tG2k1c2bBr
— Rachel Lenzi (@RLenziCMG) December 22, 2016
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^
For those without access to twitter the statement reads as follows:
"Statement from Michigan Athletics
The University was made aware of the arrest of student-athlete Grant Perry earlier this fall. He was immediately suspended from all team activities at that time and missed two games. Based on information at that time, Grant was allowed to resume team activities pending the outcome of the investigation.
Upon being informed that charges would be filed, he was immediately and indefinitely suspended from all team activities until the legal process is completed."
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
He's off the team for now, and the legal process will play out, whereupon a permanent decision can then be made by Harbaugh, one way or the other. Enough said.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
I guess I'm confused. A college football player gets caught doing what the President Elect bragged about on camera and now people want him suspended? I'd say a cabinet position is in order, no?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^
Do you really want to go there?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
Five years away from the board, and that's the best you can come up with?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:53 PM ^
Considering both candidates have a predilection for underage "people" I don't want to go down this path.
December 22nd, 2016 at 4:03 PM ^
Don't forget Bill Clinton.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
I guess I'm confused. A college football player gets caught doing what the President Elect bragged about on camera and now people want him suspended? I'd say a cabinet position is in order, no?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
We also have a presidents who are responsible for millions of deaths.
Being moral is not something most politicians are adept at.
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December 22nd, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:00 PM ^
a reminder that athletes do dumb things everywhere. what separates programs is how they react when those dumb things (inevitably) occur.
a three game suspension seems light to me...i wish we'd told him to sit the rest of the season out and earn your way back in the spring.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
...i'm about 99% there, too, with my only hesitancy (if you can even call it that) relating to the fact that i don't know all the details.
a semester or two off allows the legal system to work out and still allows you to can him later on...which you probably do.
December 22nd, 2016 at 6:19 PM ^
and just a lonely voice on a blog. Do you use that stance in all walks of life - boss, parent, significant other, children, friend, teammate?
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:00 PM ^
Seems that waiting and getting all of the information might be prudent in this situation.