EspnU Chris Childers and Rick Neuheisel (neutral observers) saying if UM goes 11-1 CFP committee will discount MSU loss due to ref screw job
So neuheisel, who hates Harbaugh and is an impartial observer, as well as his co-host Chris Childers, are going on and on about Saturday’s ref screw job and throwing stuff at their TVs while watching the game.
One can agree or disagree with their opinion of the officiating, but there are less invested professionals that understand it was a significant factor in the game.
More importantly, they believe if it’s an 11-1 situation at season’s end, UM gets the nod because the CFP committee will understand that aspect of the loss.
So that’s a positive take I hadn’t thought about…
November 1st, 2021 at 12:03 PM ^
I tend to agree with your sentiment so consider this a little of devil's advocacy but Ohio State hasn't gotten nearly 600 yards of offense and 33 points against a top 10 team on the road this year. OSU has played two pretty good to very good teams and lost 1 and sort of sludge-farted through the other (both games in Columbus). Michigan stomped a pretty good Wisconsin on the road and outplayed on a down-to-down basis a very good MSU team on the road.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:35 PM ^
*gestures at 2 decades of Michigan-Ohio State results*
November 1st, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^
That 2017 team had no shot at beating Ohio State. Came close.
2014 team had no right to keep up with the eventual champs in Columbus, but they did til the fucking 3rd string RB tore his ACL.
2013, same story. Urban was undefeated at Ohio State, we were limping into the game, and were a single 2PT conversion away from a win.
And on and on. Past results have no impact on the field. That's why you play the games. On paper, who had Sparty getting handed 4 points off the board and coming back from down 2 scores late in the game? Trends are eventually made to be broken. Ask Minnesota in their series against Wisconsin. Or Kentucky versus Florida. Or Virginia and Virginia Tech. We're gonna beat Ohio State at some point, might as well make it happen this year.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^
That 2013 2pt conversion will haunt me. I just remember seeing Gallon make his move and (I believe) Kalis gets beat badly and Gardner has to throw the ball .5-1 second earlier than what he wants to. Sigh. Man, these last 10 years have been filled with a lotta close god damn calls that have seemingly not gone our way.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:01 PM ^
Yeah, if one coach keeps losing close games, that's on the coach. If a team who switches coaches keeps losing those games, maybe it's that team. But if you get fucking hosed year after year in close games like we do for nearly 20 years, you can't chalk it up to anything more than dumb luck and eventually it will revert to the mean, sooner or later. But until then, it's just pain, endless pain.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^
Wisconsin would get curbstomped by Oregon. And the PSU team that played OSU on Saturday would destroy Wisconsin as well.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^
Lol. The PSU team that played OSU did play Wisc. They won 16-10, not exactly "destroying" .
November 1st, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^
If we are 11-1 then OSU has two losses so we would be ahead of them.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:26 AM ^
The committee isn't going to think of any officiating calls in that game, but should Michigan get to 11-1 with wins over Penn State and OSU they'll have a good shot at the 4 seed even if MSU wins the division because their one loss would be a 'quality' loss. Granted, the odds this happens are exceedingly low
November 1st, 2021 at 11:26 AM ^
If Uof〽️ beats Ohio State (BLOsu) I will shave my head!
November 1st, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
I'll do you one better: I will shave your head if Michigan beats OSU.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
"Make sparty even more angry" is not a positive take
November 1st, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
The Michigan mental gymnastics continue.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:05 PM ^
its not a problem that you're a sparty on our board. however, it is a problem when you behave like a schlong. try to avoid that. you are validating all those stereotypes about your favorite community college.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^
Thank you for the advice. I have worked hard to bring my MGoPoints to a positive figure and will see what I can do to keep it going in the proper direction.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^
this board pretty well embraces opposing fans as long as they aren't jerks. i know there are a few opposing fans here, particularly some ohio fans, that i'd have a beer with 10/10. you might be one of those guys, too, and your comment here was a one-off.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^
Get to 11-1 first, then people can 'feel positive' at all
November 1st, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^
I mean, if UM wins every other game on the schedule and so does MSU then sure, I could see UM sneaking into the bottom of the playoffs. But I doubt it would hinge on MSU because then UM's only loss would be to an undefeated Big 10 champion most likely, which would be the "best" loss any other team would have on their record save whoever loses between Alabama and Georgia.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:33 AM ^
We won't get close to 11-1 this season
November 1st, 2021 at 11:34 AM ^
Possibly but not because of that, it would because the committee would make the determination that UM is the better team if the game were played on a neutral field. It would also require OSU to absolutely blow the doors off MSU which honestly they probably will. I would honestly not also assume a East winning MSU wins the conference title game. I could see Wisconsin stoning MSU's offense and beating them in a low scoring game since their run d could take Walker away and their pass rush would be be a massive issue for MSU. I actually think Purdue could potentially knock MSU off this weekend. Decent passing offense against MSU's pass defense and definitely a game coming off emotional win to have a letdown for MSU.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
CFP would be nice. Having said that, if the team can rally together and finish 11-1, that would be a huge step forward and most likely a trip to the Rose Bowl
November 1st, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
To the “just make a play” guy out there—here is a play—a strip, sack, touchdown—never mind, we need ANOTHER play on top of this huge, game changing play made at a critical time. Despite all the failings of the coaches, we did make the plays that should have been enough for a win.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
That strip/TD being overturned was a huge injustice
November 1st, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^
Injustice isn't a strong enough word. It's straight up robbery. MSU got the benefit of like 6/6 video reviews. That's absurd. And several no-calls on easy holds or DPI.
The CFP committee and people at large rightly understand that Michigan was the better team on the field on Saturday and jobbed by the refs.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^
well, why isn't Ward doing jack shit? send these reviews and fire some refs. Take practical steps. Stop yapping and get to work.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:41 AM ^
History (2016) shows he has no gonads or voice to do the right thing. At least file a complaint. Whether heard or not, speak up
November 1st, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^
How do you know what Warde is doing? Because he hasn't announced it on Twitter?
You want him to ... demand that the referees be fired? That's laughable. You think MSU would agree to that? You think every time a big call goes against a team they get to demand those refs be fired?
(For my part, I hope he demands that the replay officials learn what the meaning of "indisputable evidence" is, since they obviously have no f*****g idea.)
November 1st, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
The Snodgrassing we received in this game wasn't quite as egregiously criminal as 2016. If I were the AD back in 2016, I would have been waiting on the steps of the B1G offices that Monday morning ready to tear into some asses. If he did nothing then, he sure as hell isn't doing anything now.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^
If this happened to Ohio State, Gene Smith would have the B1G's balls in a vice by Monday morning. I don't know what Warde is doing behind the scenes, but given how he fucking criticized Harbaugh after the 2016 Ohio State game rather than those bogus stripes shows me he'd rather toe the line than support his damn teams when they need the backing of a higher up. I hate Ohio State with all my guts, but the AD and even the President of the school would knock down doors to help that team. Just look at how they twisted the league's arm into changing the rules for the B1G championship game.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:00 PM ^
hey, congrats, you just took an early lead on today's "dumbest board post of the day" sweepstakes.
you don't know crap about what warde manuel is or is not doing, and it doesn't matter anyway. warde manuel publicly pissing about refereeing would be no different than the illinois a.d. pissing about basketball banners.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
Our fanbase is so soft. We didn't lose because of officiating. We lost because when it came down to it we couldn't get stops and we decided to finish drives with FG's instead of TD's.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:52 AM ^
Actually, Harbs knew the refs would screw us on the TDs, but it's harder to do so with FGs, so he played the percentages there.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:00 PM ^
Here is the thing about logic, two things can be true at the same time. Yes UM missed chances and made mistakes, but it would also be 100% wrong to say the officials did not impact the score.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
Agree 100%
November 1st, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^
Well the horseshit holding call on Andrel Anthony put us from 1st and goal on the 4 to a FG. That didn't help the cause. There were certainly plays to be made that were left on the field, but darn near every game in the history of the CFB has plays left on the field by both teams. It's hard enough to win an evenly officiated game against a good team on the road, but when you add in this additional hurdle, it becomes a daunting task.
All I asked for last week was for the refs not to be involved in the outcome. But fuck me, that didn't happen. Horseshit calls/non-calls all day and a TD taken off the board. If that makes me a "soft" fan so be it.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:24 PM ^
Yeah - I think that holding call on Anthony gets overlooked - I was totally confused about it at the time. It looked like standard down-field blocking. M got a call later in the game that looked similar - a State lineman locked up with a UM player - but I was surprised that got called too. I was wondering if it was some kind of a makeup call for a more recent missed no-call? I couldn't really tell but it was baffling. But, the call on Anthony turned out to be pretty impactful.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:50 PM ^
You're right. Taking 4 points off the board had no effect on the game. Also, taking another probable 4 points away (the Andrel hold that turned a 1st & goal inside the 5 to a 3rd & long near the 20) also had no effect on the game outcome.
Yeah... No effect whatsoever on the game...
November 1st, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Can't believe there are fans still out here trotting out the bullshit argument that "you can't blame the refs unless you play perfectly."
Michigan made more plays than Sparty. Michigan outplayed Sparty on a down-to-down basis. We outgained them, had more redzone trips, blew up their OL, held their explosive passing game in check and looked damn good doing it. But the refs tilted the scales towards Sparty and that's all they wiggle room they needed to sqeak out a win on their home turf.
If you don't think the refs fucked us in this game, you must not be a Michigan fan.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^
If you don't think the refs fucked us in this game, you must not be a Michigan fan.
If you don't think the refs fucked us in this game, you must not understand football.
There, fixed it for you.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
That would mean an OSU win... Id be a very happy fan.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:54 AM ^
If UM goes 11-1, OSU and MSU will likely be 11-1, and UM might make it to the B1G title game because of the obscure tiebreaker rules. It's hard for me to see them picking UM over MSU if OSU wins the tiebreaker, just because head-to-head is listed as a criterion. They'd have to make the argument that UM and MSU aren't of the same "pedigree", or that Michigan's SOS was much better than MSU's so it didn't go to the head-to-head tiebreaker. Who knows though - the CFP committee is made of people who are supposed to be above outside influence, and has seen reason before, so maybe it'll happen again.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:12 PM ^
If UM goes 11-1 OSU cannot possibly be 11-1.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^
i prefer them to be 10-2 to our 11-1.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^
We would lose any head to head vs. MSU. Unless Sparty loses two games, the only way we can make it to the Conf. championship is if there is a three-way tie in the East with OSU and MSU. Then the head to heads go out to the window as there would be no winner (we lost to MSU, MSU lost to OSU, OSU lost to M). As best I can tell, the fifth tiebreaker would be in play which is to compare records of non-divisional opponents.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^
Michigan St must lose 2, regardless.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^
this, my friend, is what is known as a "hot take," an opinion that exists only for its own universe, and that universe is also known as rick neuheisel's backside. it means nothing, and it has absolutely zero bearing on anything other than its own existence. there's no need to discuss it.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:11 PM ^
Oh this is not a hot take and it sure as hell needs to be discussed. If anything it at least gives us confirmation that we are not bias as fans in what we are seeing. And the valid point Childers was making is that if it comes to down to Michigan's standing in the CFP, they can go back to this game as their loss and know they got absolutely hosed by Snodgrass and his crew.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:09 PM ^
just so we're clear: you're saying that the following people:
- paola boivin, arizona state professor
- rick george, colorado AD
- charlie cobb, georgia state AD
- gary barta,iowa AD
- gene taylor, kansas state AD
- mitch barnhart, kentucky AD
- boo corrigan, nc state AD
- rod west, entergy corporation (?)
- former coach tyrone willingham,
- tom burman, wyoming AD
would look at 11-1 michigan and 11-1 sparty and say, "well, michigan got screwed by the refs, so the head-to-head doesn't count?" i'm sorry, but that's the very definition of a hot take. nothing more than talking heads desperate for attention.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:08 PM ^
We will get a sense if the committee agrees with that take on Tuesday. If they do not place State and Michigan close together, it will be obvious they do not agree. If Michigan is at, say 7th and State is 5th, that might carry merit. I expect State to be 4-5 and Michigan to be 9-10. In doing so, it shows that argument is ass.
The officiating sucking again and the pundits going off on it with no public pantsing of the officiating by the athletic department will be so irritating. If it is egregious, Warde walking through the top ten most egregious in a public display. Slappies going off on the internet is one thing. Impartial hand wringing is a whole other.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:09 PM ^
It will be interesting to see how the team continues to play this year after the craptastic officiating. It can be hard to be all in when you play your ass off and the game is basically stolen from you by the refs.
On the first walker td run, Hinton literally was tackled as he learned for walker in the backfield. The hold on Anthony was a very weak call to say the least and probably took 4 points off the board. Hutch's td being overturned was ridiculous, 4 points off the board. Calling pass interference on turner but not in sainristil in the endzone or CJ on 4th down.
Questionable overturn on Reed catch that you can't tell if it hit the ground or not. If you can't definitively tell call on field stands.
Did M leave plays on the field yes. Cj couple drops, Corum big drop early. Mcdonald will learn from this game only substitute when offense does.
We'll see what happens with recruiting. If you watch a game like this why do you want to play for a team that gets hosed in the big games?