Does Michigan Recruiting Suffer Because We Are An "Academic Tweener"?

Submitted by LKLIII on

Slow day at work.

With the recent news of a likely/impending flip of Herron to Stanford, it got me thinking more broadly about our positioning in the college football ecosystem.

We tout ourselves as a big-time football program with strong academics. basically selling ourselves as the pinnacle of the "student-athlete" ideal.  But it seems like the ground is shifting under our feet to the point where it's now a net-negative rather than a net-positive due to how other programs are currently positioned.  Is this a common perception, or am I totally out to lunch on this?

TL:DR version:

Instead of being "well rounded", has the college football landscape shifted to the point where we now come off as being mediocre at both and thus the worst of both worlds in the eyes of many recruits?

Longer version:

Clearly if a kid's top goals are to simply land in the NFL & to compete for CFP slots and championships, other power schools have us beaten if you look at recent history.  And let's face it:  For some kids, rather than 'strong academics' being a sales point, we all know it can also be a hinderance.

So for these elite athletes that are ambivalent or even intimidated by strong academics the (unintended) interpretation of our current sales pitch effectively becomes, "Trust us, Harbaugh is here & we'll be at the top of the football world in 2-3 years; it's totally worth the extra academic effort you'll have to put in.  Why win now with an easier course load & more free time, when you could work so much harder for some potential winning in the future?"

This is not an effective value proposition. It's akin to arguing that "one bird in the bush is better than two birds in the hand." 

As a result, it won't make sense for many of these elite athletic/ambivalent academic kids to go with us until Michigan can convince them that their path to the NFL & CFP is at least as good if not HIGHER than the other schools & therefore WORTH the tougher courseload.  So if anything, Michigan's more rigorous academic system requires more proof of likely football success, not less proof. At least for the elite athlete/non-academic oriented kids.

Maybe you say we shouldn't be going after most of those kids anyway as they aren't the stuff of "Michigan Men."  Fine.  But we also don't seem to be holding up too well on the other end of the spectrum.

Stanford right now has maintained a pretty strong program since Harbaugh departed, clocking in route 10+ win seasons .  Notre Dame less so, but they've also got the Catholic presteige thing going for them.  Northwestern does not automatically suck anymore.  

For these elite academic types, the (unintended) interpretation could be viewed as, "Trust us, Harbaugh is here & we'll leapfrog Stanford's record soon; it's totally worth taking a notch down the academic reputation ladder on the marginal increased chance that Michigan & not Stanford will hit the CFP during your football career."

For these academic gunners, it just doesn't make sense to take a permanent half notch down academically in exchange for a very small marginal increase in likelihood of CFP appearances compared to Stanford. 

And it won't make sense for them to make this tradeoff unless the Stanfords & Notre Dames take a consistent nosedive for several years and/or Michigan improves significantly to the point where the likelihood of CFP appearances is not simply a marginal improvement, but a very BIG one.

At that point, the sales pitch will basically revert back to what we've been telling kids for decades, but it'll have more credibility. Namely:  "You don't have to sacrifice your academic goals by going to Clemson, Bama, etc--you can win right here at Michigan and still get that great education."

 

Bottom line:  There will always be "tweener" kids who truly want a balanced student-athlete experience who might not *quite* have the grades to get into Stanford, but who also want more rigor than the juggernaut SEC style programs out there.   But it seems that niche  is either shrinking in overall numbers or schools like Stanford are stepping up their game to grab a bigger percentage of that niche we largely had to ourselves for a long time. 

 

 

 

 

 

Maizen

February 19th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^

Michigan is arguably the #1 public university in the entire country. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site. You should feel bad for posting this.

jbrandimore

February 19th, 2018 at 5:16 PM ^

No one can fault anyone for wanting to go there for academic purposes (and the weather).

ND at best is on par with Michigan and NW is only above Michigan if you are intending to major in a liberal arts program.

Both ND and NW are far behind Michigan in any technical field.

Also, Stanford can only take 20 a year. There has to be more than 20 aspiring students in any given recruiting year.

I do think that we should reconsider when we come up against say Alabama or Clemson for recruits as we tend to lose anyone they end up wanting, and then our fall back positions have ended up to be less than ideal.

jbrandimore

February 19th, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^

I read your posts quite a bit and one would think you would agree with the approach of getting the best recruits you can get and maximize your recruiting that way instead of offering scholarships to kids who won't choose Michigan.

I am not saying that Michigan should abandon in region kids or legacy kids when Alabama comes knocking, but it's a waste of time to go for some of these 5 star kids we finish 2-5th on year after year.

Beat Rutgerland

February 19th, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^

I hate parsing reputations like this. I mean, yes, it sort of matters from the standpoint of that first job you get out of college, or interships over the summer, but the reality is a school does so many diferent things, and has so many different teachers, that pretending like there's some kind of objective ranking system where you can definitvely say "Michigan is better than Northwestern" is dumb. The reality is that 95% of students won't even come close to taking full advantage of their educational opportunities, anyway.

SysMark

February 19th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^

Man, talk about tortured logic.

Also, Michigan is not a notch down fom either Northestern or ND...quite the reverse with the latter.  Northwestern appears to be a notch up only because they historically suck at most revenue sports.

 

Pepto Bismol

February 19th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^

12 months ago we locked up the #5 recruiting class in the country among the likes of Georgia, USC, Florida State, LSU, Auburn & Oklahoma.  

We suffer from nothing, other than a bad year on and off the field. Get a fucking grip.

In reply to by Pepto Bismol

Marvin

February 19th, 2018 at 5:43 PM ^

I even think the perception of a "bad year" on the field would be mitigated had we just not blown it in the bowl game against South Carolina. And my hunch is that we will see next season what good quarterback play can accomplish in a Harbaugh offense. 

bronxblue

February 19th, 2018 at 5:52 PM ^

Oh good, another thread where people complain about something that hasn't happened and is based on a single crystal ball change. Maybe he's leaving. Maybe this a wild guess based on something Herron or someone from Stanford said. But considering Michigan recently signed a guy who said "Fuck Michigan" and decommitted, it's probably a little early to start rending garments over the academic profile of the winningest football program in history .

bacon

February 19th, 2018 at 8:46 PM ^

Stanford is a great place to go to school. Beautiful campus, great weather, great football, California, etc. They can sell a lot more than just academics to recruits. Michigan isn’t in the same situation as a location, but they can sell tradition, largest stadium, nationwide following, track record of nfl players, strong academics, top notch coaching, great helmets, biggest rivalry. Lots of stuff. The problem is you can’t win everyone and people seem to forget these are kids who decide based on whatever their personal criteria are. Enough kids will come to Michigan to win. There’s a lot of talent on the team. Let’s build some experience and stop bitching about why Michigan isn’t what it’s not.

608Monroe

February 20th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

Don't care if we're tweeners or not.  We should win with the talent we have.  I kinda don't give a sh*t about any measurement at Michigan beyond beating our rivals.

Harbaugh's record sucks so far.  But - we should have another win against sparty (botched punt) and another win again osu (JTB did NOT make that first down).  So, it's not quite as bad as it looks on paper.  Although last season was a shark f*ck.

goblue4321

February 20th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

recruiting has suffered for this ONE class 2018 because of on the field results, if michigan woulda went 10-3 beat msu and won the bowl game they probably would have landed a couple more recruits and had a top 10 class and nobody would be bitching, its also hard to recruit when the state of michigan had a down year for in state recruits and M wasnt in on any top tier recruits out of state, the 2019 class is pretty decent so M needs to win beat msu and osu and they will have a top 8 class, never gona have top 1 or 2 because of location

chuck bass

February 20th, 2018 at 6:16 PM ^

I personally know several recruits for various sports holding Ivy League, Notre Dame, Northwestern and Stanford offers. I can confidently say the alleged sky-high academic recruiting standards at these colleges are a farce.