Did Indiana make the 2 point conversion?
Let's revisit something else to make us feel good about yesterday. As much as I dislike the Franklin bashing on the board most of the time, he absolutely earned Frames Janklin yesterday for not making sure the running back knew not to score.
Besides that, what a ballsy call by Tom Alllen, and maybe the closest call I've ever seen. I think he got it by like an inch. Unbelievable. 
October 25th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
Yea. The ball hit before the plane but half the ball definitely crossed the plane as the middle of the ball hit the ground.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:35 PM ^
This is the only plausible take for it being a TD. I’ll admit, I’m not sure and it kind of appears like the ball is out of bounds. But, like you said, Penix could’ve broken the plane with just the tip.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:45 PM ^
That’s what she said?
October 25th, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^
Penix came up big!
October 25th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
But still couldn't get in.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:51 PM ^
I spent a decent amount of time yesterday trying to decide how the word "penix" could join the English language. Bionic penis was my best entry. So to speak.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^
I think based on current usage of the “x” at the end of words, that would be a gender neutral penis.
October 25th, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
That's all it takes, just the tip, just for second......
October 25th, 2020 at 5:03 PM ^
There’s a parallax effect at that angle which we should all be familiar with (the spot) so being sure is impossible.
October 25th, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
Penn State getting screwed by Penix's tip?
Karma.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
I don’t know for sure. And I don’t think anyone does. But that was the call on the field and there’s no indisputable evidence to suggest it was the wrong call.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^
Odd that there is no camera straight down the goal line in this day and age
October 25th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
Just put a sensor on the ball. That can't be that hard in 2020.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
My thoughts exactly. I can’t imagine it’s that hard to put a sensor inside the football so you can see exactly where the ball is when the knee goes down.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
So, GPS with mm resolution? I think they are saving that for the next generation of cruise missiles. I work with positioning sensors and this is a tough problem to solve.
October 25th, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^
1. How do you link the sensor to the knee (or other body parts) of the ball carrier? How do sensors determine whether you’ve hit the ground or another player?
2. in this case, the first thing to hit the ground was the ball itself, which we have a great view of. It’s almost impossible to imagine a better camera view of the play. I don’t think a set of sensors would dramatically improve things.
Sensors and VAR work great in soccer because the ball is either over the line or it’s not. The problem is that football (American, that is) is more complicated. I think a sensor would be great for a forward progress situation at the goal line or at a first down line, but that’s probably it.
October 25th, 2020 at 4:41 PM ^
Very intriguing for inquiring scientific minds. The technology will become available well before the end of this new decade. That includes what body parts touches the ground first in American Football.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
I think he was just, just short, but zero chance that gets overturned.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^
All I can say is J.T. Barrett. Who the fuck can say for sure? My belief...both were short.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:55 PM ^
The Barrett one was within the realm of not enough to overturn but it was more likely short than not, and more to do with not having a great angle to verify. This was a lot closer to straight up within microns even with a great look at it.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^
It appeared that the ball hit the ground, out of bounds, before touching the pylon. But, I'm no replay official. I was glad they gave it to IU...'cause fuck PSU!
October 25th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^
That's true, but the pylon isn't the only thing that's important. The ball could have broken the plane before it touched the ground, even without touching the pylon.
If I had to guess, I would guess that it didn't get there, but there was clearly nowhere near enough evidence to overturn the call on the field.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^
No.
But it was so micro-close you could not overturn what was called on the field. So the play stands.
If the play was called the other way on the field, then the same thing . . . the call stands.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^
They need to formalize this. There is absolutely no way a review should take 30-40 views over 5-6 minutes of real time.
Here's the rule: if you look at the same replay twice and it's not obviously the wrong call, it stands.
Done.
October 25th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^
And you have 30 seconds to do it. If you can't determine in 30 seconds that it was clearly the wrong call . . . then it's not clearly the wrong call.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^
Probably not, but without location technology connected to the ball and goal line, it's impossible to know for sure.
JT was short.
Penix is just long enough.
Glorious PSU loss.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:35 PM ^
Every ped state loss is a glorious loss. Hate that school and most all of their delusional fan base.
BTW, FUCK ped state and all their delusional joepa loving fans, all the paternos, and frames janklin!!!
October 25th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^
The ball only needs to reach the front of the goal line - not cross it - to be considered in. It did that, but was it out of bounds first?
The call on the field had to stand, it's way too close to determine otherwise.
Re: game management, another thing I didn't understand was why Franklin attempted that super-long FG with 9 seconds left. That's plenty of time to run another play. We ran a play with 7 seconds in our game and still attempted a FG.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^
I don't think they had a timeout while we did.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:51 PM ^
I'd still try a quick out on the sideline (as we did).
October 25th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^
At the very least throw the ball out of bounds and take more time off the clock. You can’t allow the other team to get the ball back in that situation. IU could have thrown a Hail Mary.
October 25th, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^
Frankie should've saved a timeout for just this type of situation. Fail.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:35 PM ^
The pylon is taller than the ball. The ball was at its furthest point forward as it touched the ground right on the sideline before hitting the pylon (exactly in the same longitude as the pylon). I think we can logically conclude that it did not cross the plane given that the ball was about a centimeter short of the pylon when it hit the ground. Anyways, justice was served because Frames did everything in his power to blow that game - Just truly terrible situational coaching.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
Franklin can recruit. Franklin can hire good assistants. Franklin sounds good at a presser. I'm certain he loves his kids and takes out the trash. But he is the worst in game coach I've ever seen. An embarrassment to high school coaches everywhere.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:07 PM ^
The most unbelievably terrible coaching decision I think I have ever seen is when penn state has the ball at midfield, first and 10 after a ridiculous kick off by Indiana with about 23 seconds left. Penn State has one time out and at least three plays to get themselves into field-goal range. Franklin streaks down the sideline towards the referee desperately trying to call a timeout right before they run their first down play, which would probably be the only way that they would manage to run out of time without a chance at kicking a field goal. He had the entire time after the change of possession to dial-in the play that he wants for first down, and he has an upperclassman quarterback who could change the play at the line of scrimmage. But instead, he tries to get rid of their only time out, showing just an unbelievable lack of awareness. This is obviously only two minutes after he doesn’t take a knee three times and end the game on IU’s 10 yard line with 1:45 to go (and IU with only one timeout left). The lack of kneeling down was one of the worst coaching decisions I’ve ever seen, but the effort to eliminate your only timeout before your first down play after a change of possession was the most embarrassing coaching moment I think I have ever seen.
October 25th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Exactly! I was shocked when they didn’t go into the victory formation, especially since they were deep in Indiana territory. If somehow there were 10 seconds left after four kneel downs, Indiana would have had to go 80 yards in one play to win. I’m not sure Frames wasn’t thinking about running up the score until some said, but wait. Then it was too late.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:47 PM ^
But he isn't holding the ball completely straight. It's at a slight angle. The tip of the ball looks to me like it gets in (inside the pylon) right before it hits the pylon - but the side of the ball touches out right about the same time.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^
Great point - and for this reason, keeping the call on the field was probably the necessary decision.
October 25th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
That's what I thought, too. The tip of the ball crossed the line inside the pylon, then the wide part of the ball hit the ground out of bounds, then the ball hit the pylong. There's no way to say that that definitely is what happened, but I think it probably did, and that's more than enough to make the play stand.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^
Edit: never mind.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^
Your logic is incorrect. Because the ball is oblong-shaped and held at an angle, the farthest point forward of the ball is clearly closer to the invisible plane of the end zone than the ball is to the pylon. The ball clearly could have crossed the plane before it hit the pylon, so the fact that it hit the ground before hitting the pylon does not prove it was short.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^
Agreed - looking at the beautiful OP picture, the furthest point of the ball is slightly medial to the pylon (different longitude). You (jack) and jmblue corrected my inaccurate assertion because the furthest point of the ball was not exactly in plane with the pylon. Probably short, but cannot make the certain logical conclusion that it is short. Probably is not certain - call on the field correctly stands. And justice is served for frames and psu.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^
My initial thought from the hightlights was that he was short, as it seemed like he hit the ground before the ball hit the pylon. But looking at that picture makes it look like the ball crossed the plane before it hit the pylon, which makes it a closer call. Still not sure if it crossed the plane before he was down though, and I'd be pissed if I was a Penn St. fan. Regardless, really glad it wasn't our game.
October 25th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^
I'd be pissed if I were a Penn State fan!
October 25th, 2020 at 2:16 PM ^
fuck 'em
October 25th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^
I am eternally grateful Michigan didn’t end up with Franklin. He gets more than his share of abuse on this board, but he truly is the worst game day coach in college football.
October 25th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^
Penix is just long enough. LOL
October 26th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^
Penix really extended on that play.