Did Hoke run off the field without shaking Meyer's hand?
It looked that way on tv. I hate being confined to watching on tv. It looked as though Meyer got his Gatorade bath, and then was accosted by tv cameras when he got to midfield, and as he was looking for Hoke. Then, Meyer saw Mattison (or Mattison was looking for Meyer) and they shook hands. Hoke is then seen on the telecast running off the field surrounded by what looked like an honor guard from the U-M police force, the Washtenaw County Sheriffs, the Michigan State Police and the Royal Canadian Mounties.
So I was hoping that somebody who was there could explain.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:24 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:02 PM ^
I guess you didn't see Mike Jones take a flying leap after the whistle, huh?
November 24th, 2012 at 5:52 PM ^
Lookied to me like maybe Jones was tryting to jump over (avoid) the pile and hit the OSU dude.
November 24th, 2012 at 6:22 PM ^
You forgot the /s
November 24th, 2012 at 5:13 PM ^
Really? And he wasn't even wearing pads?
I guess it's true--I really did miss a lot having to watch the game on TV.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:25 PM ^
I saw the same thing...although I also saw fans coming on to the field at that point so maybe they were trying to get him off the field.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:25 PM ^
Angelique Chengelis posted on Twitter that she asked Hoke about it. He said he couldn't find him with all the people on the field.
My guess is that his police escort decided to play it safe and got him out of there.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:30 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:35 PM ^
Are you being serious or no? Because she's definitely, if not an outright homer, a totaly softy who hardly ever challenges the status quo.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:09 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:13 PM ^
You legitimately couldn't be more wrong. She's an absolute M homer; she's been so since the mid-90's. And I like her for it, by the way. But the concept that she is anti-M is just batshit insane. And, actually, please- cite articles where she's "broken down flaws" that were not, you know, actual legit flaws. Put simply, there's no MSM/AP-credentialed journalist that I know of who is more in the bag/more loving of U of M (even against best intentions) than Angelique Chengelis. There are tons of M alums (not Rosenberg; others, I'm saying) who write about M who see the program through less maize/blue-colored-lenses than she does. She is the epitome of the "home team beat writer."
November 24th, 2012 at 5:13 PM ^
You legitimately couldn't be more wrong. She's an absolute M homer; she's been so since the mid-90's. And I like her for it, by the way. But the concept that she is anti-M is just batshit insane. And, actually, please- cite articles where she's "broken down flaws" that were not, you know, actual legit flaws. Put simply, there's no MSM/AP-credentialed journalist that I know of who is more in the bag/more loving of U of M (even against best intentions) than Angelique Chengelis. There are tons of M alums (not Rosenberg; others, I'm saying) who write about M who see the program through less maize/blue-colored-lenses than she does. She is the epitome of the "home team beat writer."
November 24th, 2012 at 5:56 PM ^
Leave it to Angelique. Thank God we've got her as a beat reporter. I expect that she asked Hoke, and Tweeted that answer, precisely because she knew poeple would ask about it just like I did.
I thought that perhaps there was a back story. It honestly did not look like Hoke just ran away as soon as the clock ran out. Like he sort of looked for Meyer, before giving up.
Television should really give the coaches a chance to shake hands before they jump in for interviews.
Edit. - The 4:25 pm post just above, by member M Fanfare, is the single (simple) best reply in this entire thread. I am really starting to laugh now, at all of the butthurt over my raising this issue at all. Before I wrote about it, Angelique Chengelis anticipated the controversy and asked Hoke about it.
In addtion, Kyle Meinke just posted an MLive article on the same subject:
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2012/11/michigans_brady_hoke_brushes_o.html
And oh yes our friends in Columbus noticed:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/buckshot/2012/11/hoke-on-not-shaking-urbans-hand-postgame
So, uh, don't blame me... I actually think that Kyle Meinke's story is far more suspicious than anything I wrote, and is a lot more accusatory in tone -- with zero tangible evidence -- than anything I might have reported.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:26 PM ^
Section 1,
I know you are Drew Sharp. Go away.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:44 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:23 PM ^
Nobody on this Board has been more exhaustively critical of Drew Sharp and the Free Press than I have.
But remember that even when Drew Sharp wasn't even responsible for some of the harshest anti-Michigan reporting emanating from the Freep, Drew Sharp was counter-attacking the blogosphere (MGoBlog in particular) as offering illegitimate criticism because the blog boys were nothing but fans, hopelessly blinded by their fandom.
And now we see it in this thread. I couldn't even ask the non-loaded question about what happened with Hoke, without coming in for mindless criticism from fanboys like you. Even when the net effect has been to deconstruct any notion that Hoke ran away in poor sportsmanship. (We now know better that he didn't.)
You -- you in particular -- have helped to prove Drew Sharp's old prejudice about MGoBlog.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:26 PM ^
Actually, if you watched closely, the police had to run Hoke off the field because a couple of Ohio fans came up and tried to harass him.
So...either leave the field or stay and get some sort of cheap shot from a moron.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:26 PM ^
plus they kinda stormed the field. I wouldn't go into that moshpit just to find Urbz
November 24th, 2012 at 4:26 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:38 PM ^
You and the rest of the Hoke fanboys are too stupid and too entranced to figure out that raising this issue and dealing with the real answer is actually useful, for a national tv audience that might have thought that the images they saw demonstrated Hoke simply running away.
Now, with this thread, there's a better narrative out there.
So now you can get started on rationalizing 8-5.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:45 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:45 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:48 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:57 PM ^
For the reading-impaired, I started off by simply asking the question what happened.
My question then invited the reply that Angelique Chengelis -- by far the fairest and most useful reporter covering Michigan sports today -- had a pretty good explanation for what happened. In addition, I see others offering up the facts that essentially demystify the story; Brady Hoke did not willfully stand up Urban Meyer.
I think I've done the Hoke Administration a favor, by stripping this story down to its essentials, early, before it becomes an urban legend that Hoke ran away.
You can now return to your MGoButthurt.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:01 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:10 PM ^
He doesn't care about the handshake, he's just trolling. As usual. The only mystery is why he hasn't been banned already.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:22 PM ^
You are such a good troll.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:26 PM ^
He's without a doubt the greatest "concern troll" in MGoBlog history.
November 24th, 2012 at 6:56 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 8:46 PM ^
It is going to be in ten newspapers, and two dozen blogs by tomorrow. Just watch. It didn't matter whether I wrote about it. But since I know that most of the Michigan and OSU beat writers take an occasional peek a MGoBlog, I thought it might be good to try to get out in front, for better or worse.
November 24th, 2012 at 8:50 PM ^
Your over-inflated sense of self-importance is laughable.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:27 PM ^
You defend a man who's best record was 7-6 while at the same time attacking a man whose worst record is better than that.
Oh and UM lost to three top 5 teams. The other loss was to a top 15 team that will play in the Big Ten title game.
November 24th, 2012 at 6:09 PM ^
Yes, all loses were to highly ranked teams on the road. But, UM needs to beat those types of teams (unrealistic to expect to win all of those, but need at least one). I suppose NW was a quality win (sort of), but beyond that who did we beat? I realize we're still early in the Hoke regime -- too early to make any judgments and I'm not trying to say it was a bad year. But I don't want 8-4 tp be accepable, regardless of who beat us.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:57 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 4:56 PM ^
You mean, 9-4.
Also, I don't think you'll be seeing the "Hoke fanboys" casting about and trying to rationalize. There's no need. It must be pretty clear, even to you, that the trajectory of this program is in the right direction.
November 24th, 2012 at 4:59 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:23 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:33 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:39 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 6:05 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 6:20 PM ^
Sorry, don't buy cause/effect relationship of lack talent means taking a lot of bodies.
1) Given that recruiting classes are often include 20-25 players, on average you take about one recruit for every position every year. Recent UM OL classes are in this ballpark.
2) Even with the classes we've taken, we still are not bloated in the number of OL players on the roster, so it could just be that we didn't have sufficient numbers (which is a different problem).
I am not arguing that we had a lot of OL talent, but rather I arguing that the recent recruiting class sizes don't prove or disprove that lack of talent hypothesis.
November 24th, 2012 at 6:29 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 5:04 PM ^
I don't care you are mad about the not shaking hands thing, that rubs me the wrong way too. But you are complaining about the team being 8-4 this season? A season in which we played 3 top - 5 AP teams and a probable top ten team without a real quarterback? You are a fucking idiot. You wanna go back to the days when it was 37-7, 42-7, 21-10 and Michigan never had a real chance in the game from the get - go?
Get real.
November 24th, 2012 at 5:10 PM ^
You have officially turned into the very thing that you hate. Congratulations.
November 24th, 2012 at 6:17 PM ^
November 24th, 2012 at 6:34 PM ^
1. Gross
2. I saw the game on TV like millions of others and even I saw the fans on the field, Hoke looking for Meyer (and Meyer looking for Hoke) and then 5 police officers surrounding Hoke and RUNNING him off the field. You're either blind on your want to stir shit up. Go away.
3. Section 1 = Drew Sharp
November 24th, 2012 at 8:50 PM ^
So I guess that you think that I was actually offering up an opinion, on what Hoke did or didn't do. Have I got that right? You think that I was crticizing Hoke?
Quick, you asshole; point out to everybody where I criticized Hoke in this thread. Cut-and-paste it for everybody's benefit.
Actually, your observation appears to be largely correct: Hoke does seem to be "run off" of the field by an amazingly aggressive detail/escort of uniformed officers. I don't understand it, but it sure appears that way.
Moreover, it is not like Hoke stormed off the field in anger; he shook the hand of Johnathan Hankins, who approached Hoke. (Although seeing Hankins run up to Hoke reminded me of that creepy incident with WillTom Gholston in E. Lansing in '11.) Anyway, Hankins had his helmet off and it looked like a legit handshake.
Here's video: