Denard arrested for DWI after he was involved in a car crash.
https://x.com/aaronmcmann/status/1779992432316178712?s=61
This is insane.
CG - keep living the best you can. Have family member who had same struggles. It’s easy to say “make netter decisions” when tou don’t suffer from the affliction.
I mean, I get it. I seriously doubt he or anyone who says anything like that means it maliciously.
I don't mean it maliciously as in I'm trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Naturally, there are going to be people on this board who have trouble with alcohol.
The point is that if Denard Robinson has a problematic relationship with alcohol...it's up to him to get help. The same goes for Greg Scruggs. Or anyone else with that issue. And if they're going to put other people at risk, then some of those other people - such as the police - need to take actions to protect the people who are just trying to get to work or come home from the grocery store.
Totally agree with what you said. And I didn't think you were trying to set out to do anything like that. I've read your posts over the years and you've never struck me as anything but reasoned and intelligent. I'm just adding an insider's perspective, so to speak.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:16 PM ^
I 100% agree with you and regret using the word “dumb.” It was a knee jerk response and I actually do know better. My sister is a now sober alcoholic and my husband’s brother and sister are both alcoholics. Ironically their mother was a professor, public health advocate, and researcher in the field and so we speak about this all the time. Everyone I mentioned has experienced alcoholism in different ways, it’s not a binary state — it’s not “you’re either an alcoholic or you’re not.” So I appreciate you speaking up and reminding me that the term “dumb” isn’t applicable here.
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April 16th, 2024 at 12:09 AM ^
Quick birthday idea - My son (21) got an Uber card to load on his phone as part of his 21st birthday gift. He has no excuses. And he will get one for years to come.
At a certain point, you have to accept that no rideshare cost is too high to avoid drinking and driving. Sadly, I didn’t reach that conclusion until my 30s (though thankfully, I never had a mishap while driving intoxicated).
CALL SOMEONE TO DRIVE YOU HOME!
So in the last three months, we've had no commitments but 2 staff DUIs.
not so fast my friend, one of those guys was fired for getting his DUI, so he's not on staff anymore, so just one...just one.
Legally, referred to as an OWI (Operating While Impaired) in Michigan.
Since there was another car involved, that means Robinson, no matter how gentle the accident, put another person in danger due to his OWI. When that happens, the judge throws the book at you. He's auto-fired, and looking at real jail-time.
Robinson is one of the recent heroes of the state of Michigan athletics. He has a free-drive anywhere in the state. Why he would think to drive after having a few is beyond stupid.
Every state in the union has draconian laws in place anytime another person is involved in a accident, even minor, from a drunk driver.
It was a single vehicle crash. Your overall point still stands, but there wasn’t another driver “at risk.”
Except I guess for anybody else on the roads or pedestrians.
It was described as a single car incident. Which in cop-speak usually means he crashed his own car but didn't hit another driver.
Was there another car involved?
The articles and tweets are all saying single car accident.
Doesn't make it any better, but gotta be accurate with this stuff
You had me until "draconian".
Attend a MADD meeting and get back to me on what is and is not draconian please.
Having watched drunks share apps that reveal where law enforcement sets up DUI checkpoints I have zero tolerance and am in full favor of the draconian.
Dude, it was a single-car crash by a first-time offender with a presumably clean criminal record. He's not looking at "real jail-time." He's looking at a fine, a suspended license, and some community service or probation.
But he definitely is looking at a potential firing. Moore has to get on top of this issue and establish a zero-tolerance rule. The program's reputation matters.
Wont anyone think of the poor drunk drivers?
Merde. It's now time for Coach to have a very private meeting with his entire staff and explain, in the most direct and simplest terms possible, the need to behave in such a way that no stink sticks to his team. Failing to do so (hopefully) violates a section or two of their employment contracts and is cause for dismissal.
Before anyone accuses me of being a prohibitionist (again) or wants to talk about BAC math? I've got one word to shut that line of argument down: Uber. You drink? Leave the car home (or in a lot - or just parked). Uber!
I thought he had already had the private meeting...
Seems like someone didn't attend or take it seriously or was too drunk to remember or care about the message.
Sure Sherrone can do it but honestly Warde and the entire athletic department need to address this too. Just because it's only been football coaches doesn't mean that it can't happen to others in the department
You are 100% correct!
Gary Moeller vibes.
Did Les Miles sleep with Denard's wife, too?
If my own life is any lesson, drinking to the point of not sobriety and then driving home can be a reflection of inner pain. I'm not going to stand here and righteously condemn him because, well, I'm ashamed to say I've done it a time or two when I was a younger man. I was that stupid, selfish asshole putting other people in danger instead of doing the obvious, safe, and only right thing. It was then and is now a dangerous, stupid, and inexcusable choice. Denard should be removed from the staff.
But rarely have I come across people who do things like this because everything is hunky dorey in their life and despite that they freewheelingly do destructive things. Sometimes it's physical pain (and from what I understand I'm amazed Denard can walk after his football career), sometimes it's emotional pain, sometimes it's both. But part of why I both don't find myself drinking much these days AND definitely don't make dangerous decisions on the rare times I do drink is because I have moved on from a lot of that pain that held me in its grip. Maybe it was a stupid mistake, a one off, maybe the man is hurting inside, neither of which makes one iota of excuse for making a choice like drunk driving, but I'm glad it didn't cause any lasting harm to him or anyone else, and I hope Denard can find help for what hurts if that is what is going on.
When people do stupid things under the influence (and they're adults), chances are they have a problem with alcohol and need to get help. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it just needs to be addressed. I have several alcoholics in my family. One got sober and is now a sponsor. Another got cirrhosis and then got sober but she's now facing a possible liver transplant. The third lost his spleen when he blacked out and fell down some stairs. Some people can't control the amount they drink. A good friend of my husband, his former business partner, died two months ago from liver failure due to drinking. He was 58 with three kids. No shame, just get help. Alcohol is a beast of an adversary.
Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't speculate as to whether someone we don't know has an alcohol problem.
There's plenty of room to discuss Denard's dumb decision without laying out diagnoses none of us are equipped to make.
Before she retired, my mother-in-law was a professor and health policy advocate in Washington who specialized in fetal alcohol syndrome, as well as the director of a program that helped children of alcoholics. Her definition of having an alcohol problem is when the drinking interferes with your daily life -- work and family being the most common. You don't have to be someone who drinks all day, every day and can't stop by him or herself (traditional definition of an alcoholic) to qualify as someone with an alcohol problem.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:26 AM ^
These are all powerful anecdotes, but you do not know Denard. Stop trying to diagnose him. If you want to talk about this particular incident, there's a lot to talk about. But repeatedly prognosticating about whether he is an alcoholic (or, in fact, heavily insinuating that he is) is both not appropriate and unbelievably presumptuous. Please stop.
April 16th, 2024 at 11:21 AM ^
You have two significant impairment related car accidents... you have a problem. You might not be an alcoholic, but you have a substance use issue.
Aww, sucks to hear. I've represented plenty of men and women charged with this and it's not the kind of charge that I feel warrants reading into. Good people and bad people make mistakes. Hopefully he gets help if it's a problem.
Bye Denard
Dammit Denard, you were one of the good ones.
Colt45, it works, every time.
We have the WORST off-season headlines. It's almost impressive.
I’m glad no one is hurt.
Drinking and driving.. classic.
That sucks. Wish it weren't so.
Even good people can make bad decisions.
If I'm understanding the blood alcohol chart correctly and assuming DWI is 0.08, then to get over the limit he'd have had to consume 4 drinks plus another drink for each hour. Assuming he's 200 lbs. Does this sound right to the experts here?
https://www.michigan.gov/lara/bureau-list/lcc/blood-alcohol-chart
Usually I say the guy is an idiot, but Denard is such a good guy it's hard to feel that way. I really hope he gets it together and stops drinking altogether if he has a problem - and it sounds as though he does.
Don’t know about that chart but in my experience anything over 2 drinks will put you over .8
Source I may have a close personal acquaintance with access to a professional breathalyzer
At 200 lbs having two drinks over two hours, and it should be nowhere near .08, according to the chart.
https://x.com/espnrittenberg/status/1780012369810182385?s=61
Eisenhower and State. Literally a few blocks from Schembechler Hall.
Just the dumbest thing in the world, and really disappointing.
This is somewhat different than the earlier incident with Scruggs because (I believe) this is his first offense but I'd still hope the punishment is pretty severe because this sets a terrible model for players. Get a fucking Uber; you've got the money.
Nice knowin' ya, Shoelace.
New profile pic?!?
Appropriate. The Jets are like a Soviet knock-off of a football franchise.
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