Committing possible ncaa violation
Reading WD's recent post made me think of the following question:
If mgoboard organized a GoFundMe for Charles Matthews, as we did for Ace, would that be a recruiting violation? Because it would be a good thing to do (and a good advertisement for U of M).
I sort of think that it must be, otherwise I'd have heard of something like this happening before, but I can't see what rule it violates.
? Charles isn’t a recruit. And I don’t believe he is a member of the team as he stayed in the draft so you are free to write him a check or venmo him some cabbage
I would love to live in a world in which we can venmo cabbages
Vegmo
Veg mo'
You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real.
I think maybe his brilliance is just broken?
Best network name I've seen: "HIDE YO KIDS HIDE YO WIFI"
This isn't very nice. His intentions are good. Give him a break. You know, if you don't have anything nice to say, yadda yadda yadda.....
I mean, he's a former player at this point so you think it wouldn't be a problem. But I imagine there are NCAA rules in place that would prevent players from getting 'wink-wink' compensation deals that kick in after they graduate/leave school.
Actually, wouldn't it be nice if college players could get deferred compensation packages for their service to the program? Doesn't sound like the worst idea, and it would allow the NCAA to preserve a patina of amateurism for the time the athletes are actually at the school.
The judge in the O'Bannon case suggested something to the same effect: $5,000 in compensation (or something like that) when they graduate.
Can I get deferred compensation from the lotto? I didn’t win the Mega Millions but I plan on winning in the future.
Is this a serious question? It can't be.
Well, yes, it is.
I admit it seems like kind of a dumb question -- I almost didn't post it. But I really don't know the answer.
It seems like the answer has to be "no", otherwise it could lead to paying the players. (After all, if it became a Michigan tradition to do this, not just for Charles, but, say, for every football and basketball athlete that plays 4 years and leaves with a degree, that would be a huge recruiting and retention advantage.)
But it doesn't seem to violate any rule I know of. (Not that I know the rules, really.)
So... you don't know either! LMAO
It is not a ncaa violation since Matthews has an agent and is not an ncaa athlete anymore. That being said, starting a gofundme for him would be unnecessary. It is not the responsibility of the Michigan fan base to fund anyone, even if they played for the university. It sucks what happened to him, but I bet he's working his ass off to bounce back and come back with a vengeance. I expect he will be on a G-league roster in a year's time.
Yep
Or he'll get healthy and go overseas like he would have anyway
barring that, he'll use his Michigan degree and get a real job and be very successful.
Sucks what happened to him, but I think he'll be OK.
Well, I understand that it is not our responsibility.
But how many things that fans can do are
(1) morally good
(2) an aid to Michigan recruiting
and (3) not an ncaa violation?
Well, I sense I’m not going convince a lot of people. :-)
I thought the general consensus would be “this is obviously against the rules” rather than “this may be a clever way to legally pay the players and thus negate other schools main advantage in recruiting against us, but who cares, it’s not our responsibility”.
But other schools' fans could do the same. There's no advantage for Michigan here. No player will choose a school because at the end he might get a little money from a couple fans.
It could become a Michigan tradition that fans raise $500,000 for every football and basketball player who plays 4 years, finishes the season, and leaves with a degree. That's what, about 10-15 million dollars a year? That's well within the range of what fans donate to the athletic department, but now it goes towards new buildings or what not.
Would Oliver Martin have transferred to Iowa if doing so meant turning down half a million dollars? Would Karan Higdon have played in the bowl game? Would Aubrey Solomon have transferred to Tennessee? Maybe Charles Matthews doesn't even enter the draft. Obviously some of these things will happen anyway. But some of them won't.
And I don't think its the case that every school could match the amount of money Michigan fans could donate.
Only 98 more negs until you can’t start another thread. Think this one goes that far?
You want Michigan fans to donate $500k to every football/basketball player who leaves with a degree? Lol what?
I see what you're saying but the scale of what you are proposing would be untenable and unsustainable. Do you really think fans are going to contribute $500,000 to a 4-year team member who rode the bench? What if that kid comes from a wealthy family?
For the more talented kids who leave early to go pro, why are you giving them $500,000 when they are going to sign a contract worth millions? And the people making those donations might do it once or twice then realize that they've got their own kids, houses and debts to worry about.
Back to your original question, you are allowed to give any non-athlete whatever you want - the NCAA doesn't care. The only question about impermissible benefits is when they are a recruit or current student athlete.
JPC notes above that only 98 more negs will make it impossible for me to start new threads, and now it's only 80. I'd rather that didn't happen, so this will be my last post on the subject, much to the relief of everyone.
First, if it's only for athletes who play 4 years and graduate, then those who go pro early wouldn't get it.
Is it unsustainable? Yes, $500,000 sounds like a huge amount of money. But I think people underestimate the amount of money that Michigan fans are willing to spend. 90,000 people are willing to pay for football season tickets. If a comparable amount of people are willing to donate a $100, then you're most of the way there. And in return we'd get to watch the occasional victory over Ohio State. I'd pay $100 for that.
And some people are willing to donate much more. Witness the football team's overseas trips, the Champions Fund, not to mention the Ross Athletic Campus.
To be honest, even if it were $200k or $100k it would still be effective for recruiting. 100k for, say, 20-25 graduating athletes -- that's clearly a sustainable amount of money for the Michigan fanbase.
Okay, here's the math of what you just proposed:
20-25 graduating athletes getting $100,000 each. That's $200,000 - $250,000. Ticket prices are already through the roof as are the seat fees for the season ticket holders. And, if you are asking the season ticket holders to foot the bill, it's not $100/each it's more $225-$250/each. The recipients are also not likely to be the recruits we need to beat OSU.
I'm a sucker for a good cause, or any cause to beat OSU. But I wouldn't throw any money at this... Honestly, the NCAA has already shown the "legal" way to cheat. Just throw money at the causes that benefit the parents. It's much more cost effective and you can target the athletes you really want. But even if it's legal, it's still cheating in my book...
You're getting crucified for this, but I think this not a bad idea at all. It brings the bag above board. Any idea that brings bagmen above board is better than the status quo. Half a million a head is extreme, but there is certainly a possibility to fund a post-graduate support program if we felt like it. I don't really care about NCAA rules because they don't align with human morality, but also don't think supporting non-afilliated private individuals is within NCAA limits anyway.
You should note that this type of collection and distribution of cash would certainly bring scrutiny and the potential to break a lot of actual laws. The cost of upkeep and compliance would probably mean lots of the money collected goes to administrators and the whole thing is thus ripe for corruption. I would put in fifty bucks though, just to see if it works.
But it doesn't seem to violate any rule I know of.
Boosters cannot give benefits.
What is a booster? Many people here meet the following criteria:
- Makes a financial contribution to Michigan athletics or its booster organizations.
- Has purchased season tickets for any Michigan athletics program.
Benefits include:
- Money, gifts
- Free or reduced-cost merchandise or services.
So that kills your crowdshare thought.
Read the NCAA rule book before posting these “violation” threads please.
Are you that much of a geek, you actually sit down and read the rule book?
Life much?
These ncaa violation posts are interesting. Sharing is caring.
I'd rather start a GoFundMe to pay for some 5 star recruits. But that's just me.
Or refs.
The real content is in the comments.
Always.
how many more days until the first game of the season? Yikes.
per the "There are....." post right below this work of art, 62 days.
It sucks for him, but he’s a big boy who made a choice and now gets to live with the consequences. There are people much more worthy of help than an injured NBA prospect.
Go send Kevin Durant some $$$ to make up for his shit luck.
You can't commit a recruiting violation regarding a player who is NOT a recruit. It's simply not possible by definition.
Jordan Poole just signed a contract to play professional basketball...
Is that a recruiting violation?
Peak Offseason.
He’s declared for the draft and is no longer an NCAA athlete. I think who gives him what from here on out isn’t even remotely the NCAA’s concern, unless he ever comes back as an assistant, coach, or staff member of the team.
Rules one might want to consider before posting a new topic about potential NCAA recruiting violations.
1. Are the negative comments likely to out weigh the positive ones by less than an arbitrary factor of say 10 to 1?
2. Are there better things I could be doing with my time (there were some excellent suggestions in the previous thread with a similar title).
3. If after carefully considering rules 1 and 2, you still think it is a good idea to post it, revisit rules #1 and 2.
4. Then and only then, post. But expect to realize very quickly that you did not adequately consider rules 1 and 2.
Or, more generally:
Does this need to be said...
...by me...
...right now?
I try to live by that rule.
Darn it, just broke it again.
I would guess something like this is already happening. Maybe not in the form of direct cash but a place to crash, access to high class medical care, paying for a trainer , etc. from alumni/athletes who were a little more fortunate. A Michigan Family GoFundMe so to speak.
Maybe if we deliver the Genesis Device to these threads....
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If you want to just give away money, I'll send you my venmo name.
Is it not PaulWall? Did you not get all that money I sent you?