Committee says Michigan better than MSU
November 10th, 2021 at 7:38 AM ^
I hope Mel and MSU fans don't complain, because that would be soft. And he's super tough!
November 10th, 2021 at 8:18 AM ^
Except when they send in their own complaints to B1G. LOL.
November 10th, 2021 at 7:59 AM ^
Just about everybody with eyeballs would agree (besides one tiny fanbase)
November 10th, 2021 at 8:04 AM ^
Lets win out and prove them to be correct
November 10th, 2021 at 8:08 AM ^
Just win. Go, Blue.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
I concur.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:10 AM ^
MSU is currently dead last among D1A teams in passing yards allowed per game at 326.7. That's not good.
Michigan is 8th, and two of the teams ahead of us are teams we beat, Washington and Wisconsin.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:29 AM ^
Don who hacked your account and started posting optimistic takes about Michigan??
November 10th, 2021 at 8:33 AM ^
It's the Don of a new day!
November 10th, 2021 at 8:48 AM ^
NSFMF...I think we're going to lose up in Happy Valley, in large part because of the injuries to key offensive players which is going to hamper us more than ever in red zone situations.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:49 AM ^
It's true that Penn State will be a much tougher opponent for Michigan than Indiana, especially because the game will be played on the road; yet, without injured Ronnie Bell, Erick All, Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards available for the offense, Michigan somehow managed to score two touchdowns when they were "red zone situations" against Indiana.
Michigan probably could use a Red Zone Coordinator. Where have you gone Khalid "The Hammering Panda" Hill and Ben "Bench" Mason*?
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* On November 8, Ben Mason was released from the New England Patriots reserve squad. LINK
November 10th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^
PSU is currently tied for 10th in D-1A in yielding points per game with 16.7. Indiana is way down the list, giving up 31.3 ppg.
If the game was being played in Ann Arbor, I'd be picking Michigan in a close victory.
November 10th, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^
It's not that PSU is great, but there are matchup problems:
The offense will need a great game from Cade. Unfortunately, the PSU back 7 are far superior to the MSU back 7.
The U-M defense has a tendency to give up big plays, and Dotson is better than any WR they have faced this season.
Michigan can win, but they'll need to play mistake-free and cannot trade FGs for TDs. We won't see the same team that lost to Illinois.
November 10th, 2021 at 1:40 PM ^
Saturday’s game could make or break Michigan’s season and it may be Jim Harbaugh's most crucial test as Michigan's head coach. Penn State has as much if not more to play for in Saturday’s game as Michigan does and the Nittany Lions will have their home crowd for support.
The “good news” is that Michigan is 6-3 in games played against Penn State in November and 6-6 overall against Penn State in games played at their stadium since the 1993 season. The “bad news” is that Penn State is 7-4 against Michigan in the past 11 matchups and has won the past two games in the series. LINK
If Penn State wins on Saturday and then beats Rutgers and Michigan State, they’ll finish 9-3. If Michigan loses and then beats Maryland, but loses to Ohio State, Michigan also will finish 9-3, but will have all three losses within the division while Penn State would have only one loss within the division.
Though I hate to think of it, under those dire circumstances, IF Michigan State were to beat Maryland, but lose to both Ohio State and Penn State, then Michigan would be tied in overall record with Michigan State and Penn State, but drop to fourth in the Big Ten East behind Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan State because of the head-to-head losses.
Go Blue! #BeatPennState
November 10th, 2021 at 5:04 PM ^
If we lose to PSU, most of the love that Harbaugh has been getting from the fans will evaporate instantly.
If we then lose to OSU, Harbaugh will be right back where he was in the eyes of most fans where he was at the end of 2020. I don't think that would be a reasonable assessment of where things are in the program, but that's what the fan reaction is going to be.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:57 AM ^
I wouldn't say it's optimistic as much as fact-based, especially when it concerns the relative evaluation of MSU vs Michigan.
All this hoo-ha about MSU and Michigan is going to be irrelevant by the end of the season since I believe both Michigan and MSU are going to lose 2 of their last three games.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^
Ah, there's the ol' skele-don we know and love.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:18 AM ^
I will keep putting this out there because I am quite sure of it being the reality: If MSU and Michigan win out they will both be in the CFP.
While it is highly unlikely to play out this way, if it does we will probably see an all SEC vs B1G CFP. Neither the ACC, the Weak 12 or the PAC 12 have candidates who can, in this scenario, circumvent Michigan and MSU.
November 10th, 2021 at 8:58 AM ^
LOL,
MSU win out. They are a mediocre team that just had their bubble popped after winning their annual super bowl with some absurd officiating and voodoo, and will now spiral back toward mediocrity. MSU gave up 500 yards passing to Purdue, and have 3 of the best passing offenses left on their scheduling. They've already been significantly outgained in 4 of their games. I foresee 2 more losses in their future, but again, at least they won their Super Bowl - which may or may not help them this off season when Mel goes to LSU and they are searching for a new coach for their regional program again.
UM has a 50-50 matchup against PSU this weekend, let's see if they can finally execute and capitalize on some good fortune. Winning out also requires beating OSU, which has been a fantasy for 2 decades now.
So yeah, I'd say we don't have to worry about 2 B1G teams in the playoff....and it's good thing, because if those representatives are UM and MSU, we're looking at 20 and 40 point blowout repsectively if the opponents are SEC.
Remember that year MSU lucked into the playoff with the punt 6 and then the OSU monsoon game...yeah, this is the same type of MSU team. BAMA (even in a down year for them) or UGA would embarrass them and the league. Let Sparty have their trophy win and crawl back in their hole.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:14 AM ^
Oregon is #3. If they win out, they are in.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^
The SEC won't get two teams in because Alabama is going to lose to Georgia in the SEC championship. This is not a vintage Bama team, and a 2 loss Bama that would be, at that point, 2-2 against ranked opponents is not going to get in ahead of an undefeated Cincinnati team that beat Notre Dame in South Bend. I do think that Oklahoma will lose at least once, and probably twice down the stretch, but there is a good chance that Oregon wins out, and with a top 10 win on the road of their own, they deserve a spot too. Also, no way does MSU win out. They have three strong passing attacks to face down the stretch. I think they go 1-2 and end up in the Citrus Bowl. That said, if MSU and M both win out, they will both get in, with Cincinnati getting screwed (unless Oregon loses). In that scenario, MSU would likely get the #2 spot with M #4, although I wouldn't mind a rematch on a neutral field with non-B1G refs.
I think the eventual rankings are: 1. Georgia; 2. OSU-M winner (assuming they win the B1G); 3. Oregon (assuming they win out); 4. Cincinnati; 5. Notre Dame (left out based on the head-to-head with Cincinnati); 6. Bama; 7. OSU-M loser
November 10th, 2021 at 8:51 AM ^
While its nice to be ranked so high; it is troublesome that Michigan has had problems being unable to score in the redzone and the coaches have not found a solution. This will be the teams downfall against Ohio State.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^
Well then we should take a page from MSU's two point attempts.... they seem to succeed every time..... did vs us and Purdue too. Need to throw it in redzone more than not.
November 10th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
But OSU is having similar problems in the red zone.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:07 AM ^
This committee is really setting itself up for some controversy. Ok, they can say Michigan is better than MSU (I agree). Then why not say OSU is better than Oregon? Why not say both Michigan and MSU is better than Cincinnati?
If Michigan and/or MSU win out, Cincy wins out, and also ND wins out (giving UC a comfortable top 10 win on the road), then whoever they don't put in that #4 spot is going to scream bloody murder.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:52 AM ^
Whoever places #5 is going to scream bloody murder anyway, so what's the big deal? Face it, until their is a 12-16 team playoff, some team that deserves a shot at 'any given Saturday' isn't going to get it. And even then, some 3-loss team is going to cry about not getting its shot!
November 10th, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^
Well an 8 team playoff anyway. I don't know that there needs to be 12-16 teams.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:56 AM ^
Because the Refs hosed Michigan while Ohio State lost fair and square to Oregon? Seems like a difference with a distinction.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:11 AM ^
Glad to see acknowledgement of the horrific calls.... doesn't happen often but take note, it just did.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
No, it didn't. Until the B1G says it publicly it didn't happen. What happened is that Harbaugh relayed the word because of a question from a reporter. And then the B1G complained about it because it wasn't kept "private".
November 10th, 2021 at 9:13 AM ^
Beat PSU!
November 10th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^
RCMB is a very, very angry place.
Cesspool of inferiority, jealousy, anger, irrationality, hatred, misogyny.
I don't go over there often, but when I do, I question humanity.
November 10th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^
Thank you, this is perfect.
November 10th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
Hashbrown: Disrespek
November 10th, 2021 at 10:00 AM ^
David Ojabo:
"Silence, violence, take care of business and go back home"
Apply to PSU on Saturday.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^
Will David Ojabo be singing this to Aidan Hutchinson on Saturday?
O you take the high road, and I'll take the low road,
And I'll sack Sean Clifford afore ye,
November 10th, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
Michigan and MSU have similar resumes, though overall I believe Michigan has a slight edge. OOC they both have a win vs a middling power 5 team, but Michigan has two wins vs 6 win MAC teams, while the MSU wins are vs a worse C-USA school and a last place FCS team.
They have similar conference wins, though Michigan has superior margin of victory and/or home vs road against common opponents Nebraska, Northwestern and Indiana, with MSU having the advantage vs Rutgers. And they each have one signature win: Michigan, a 21 point road win over ranked Wisconsin, Michigan State a 4 point home win vs top 10 Michigan. How you weight them depends on what you think of Wisconsin and home vs road.
Comparing losses, Michigan's was close, on the road, to another top 10 team. MSU's was 11 points, on the road, to an unranked team. Clear advantage to Michigan.
Finally, the fancy stats nearly all favor Michigan and it's not really close. SP+, F+, FPI, and the Massey composite all have Michigan in the 4-5 range, and MSU significantly lower.
I think the committee got it right. It's close enough that flipping the two would be reasonable, if you heavily weight the head to head, but on balance I still see Michigan as having the better resume and being deserving of the position in the CFP ranking.
November 10th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^
TLDR version:
UM would lose to UGA by 20
MSU would lose to UGA by 40
Committee knows that MSU @ #3 was the same as Iowa @ #2 earlier this year. Results were unsustainable based on prior wins, losses inevitable, overall fraud.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:08 AM ^
None of this matters but not losing to Purdue by 11 would have let MSU stay ahead of Michigan. None of this really matters unless both of them win out (which is extremely unlikely).
November 10th, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^
UM is better than Sparty. It's proven statistically in every possible way, it was even proven on the field. On the field you say? How can that be, since Sparty defeated UM? Here's how:
1) UM was the only top ten team to beat the spread last week. UM -19 vs Indiana. MSU -3 vs Purdue. Michigan won by 22. Sparty lost by a baker's dozen. UM beat the most recent expectations, MSU failed them miserably.
2) B1G admitted the Hutchinson fumble was indeed a fumble for a TD. Harbaugh going on TV and giving the B1G officials a hard-time about the call was definitely the right thing to do. If you think none of the CFP voters saw that awful call, or didnt see Harbaugh explaining how the B1G apologized to him for making the wrong call, which would have won the game for UM, then I have some lovely swamp-land I'd love to sell you in Florida.
UM is better than MSU. It is undeniable. It's empirical.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^
If you're going to judge people by voting, and not through playing (see the NCAA tourney, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc..), then its going to be about opinions. If there was a true formula, we wouldn't have voting. We tried that with the BCS and that was awful. We try that with tie-breakers, and we all complain about that.
The truth is, head-to-head matters, but its not the end all, be all of the conversation. Does a head-to-head win equate to 1 extra win? What if MSU loses 3 more times? Do they still stay above us? 2 more times? 1 more? Its a very simpleton mindset to say that one factor should trump all others when the answer is murky at best. That's why we have the committee. The reason we have the committee is for discussion/conversation/emotional reaction. The whole point of this is to create noise and reaction.
If MSU is as GOOD as they say they are, and we are to base this off facts and figures, and disregard opinions, then Michigan's loss to them on the road by 4 (a top 8 team) is far more impressive than their loss to Purdue in what was really a blowout at the end. So, if MSU thinks theyre that good, then our loss is better, both teams have the same record, and we beat tougher teams, and so we edge them out. If they want to claim they SUCK, then ok, our loss was bad, and they should be ranked 25.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:25 AM ^
damn I want UM to pull this off this weekend. It will all feel very hallow if they lose 2 of the last 3.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:30 AM ^
I obviously was there, but reading between the lines I think the committee is saying;
MSU is the most over-ranked school in college football. They got pummeled by Nebraska, were out played by lowly Indiana, whom got slapped around pretty good by Michigan, had a heavily ref assisted win against the Wolverines and were finally revealed for the frauds they are by giving up 536 passing yards to Purdue.
On top of that, they have a mentally unstable, spam-fed, hysterically delusional fan base with a collective IQ that equals that of a spotted lop eared jack rabbit.
Any one else see it that way?
November 10th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
November 10th, 2021 at 10:43 AM ^
I'm going to give props to Walker. That kid is really stinking good and probably the best RB in the country this year. His ability to get YAC is incredible, and he is the reason why MSU is where it is right now. Michigan got a lot of bad calls that day that certainly influenced the outcome of the game, but Walker made Michigan's defense look bad that day. All on his own.
That being said, the rest of MSU's team isn't anything to write home about. They're not bad by any stretch. They're just not anywhere close to being the #7 team in the country without Walker. That secondary is going to get absolutely smoked by OSU in a couple of weeks. If Purdue can put up that many yards through the air, I can only imagine what OSU will do with a slew of future first round picks at WR.
November 10th, 2021 at 11:20 AM ^
OSU will be capable of putting up at 63 and likely more against Sparty which will be played down in C-Bus on Nov 20th.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:46 AM ^
As I replied to an earlier post, they’re right, Michigan is the better team.
November 10th, 2021 at 10:52 AM ^
I don't think this is as controversial as some are saying. Let's break it down:
MSU beat Michigan with a lot of help. B1G admitted their crucial officiating mistakes that affected the game. Multiple fumbles from a back up QB. Still only won by 4. MSU then lost by double digits to an unranked Purdue team the week after, while Michigan beat a team by 22 that MSU only beat by 5