CoFoPo Selection Show Open Thread

Submitted by M-Dog on

12:30 on ESPN.

Hoping for TCU or Baylor at #4.  Expecting OSU at #4.

Time to see.

Mr. Yost

December 7th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

That is the WORST argument for TCU among many GREAT arguments for them.

They whooped a 2 win football team...who fucking cares? Iowa State is 10 points away from being winless. 

Arguing for TCU by using Iowa St is like arguing for Baylor using Kansas.

Who cares if these team beat the snot out of awful teams.

gwkrlghl

December 7th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^

Thats going to be one thing this committee will have to answer for the next year.

You say TCU is #3
You then beat a team 55-3
And then you drop them 3 spots?

The argument is that they were 'in' last week. Why would you take them out after beating a horrible team just like they needed to?

Mr. Yost

December 7th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

vs. better opponents.

It's not rocket science.

I'll use this analogy just so you can understand...

Say last week TCU was a 90

FSU was 89

OSU was 88

Baylor was 87

...now you get 5 points for an elite win, 4 for a solid win, 3 for an average win, 2 for a meh win, 1 for a cupcake

This week...

TCU is 91

FSU is 93

OSU is 92

Baylor is 91 or 92 depending on if you think Kansas St. is elite or solid.

....see how your rankings just flipped? It's not knocking TCU, they actually went UP in point. It's rewarding OSU, FSU and Baylor.

I don't think it can be said any clearer. You may not agree with it, and that's fine. But that is why the "we were #3 and we beat ISU is a shit argument."

The better argument is TCU is the better team, we weren't a 90 to begin with, we were a 95. That's better than arguing for ISU.

G. Gulo of the Dale

December 7th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^

... but I don't think your argument and Bordon's arguments are so opposed.  I don't think TCU thrashing ISU earns them a whole lot more in the bona fides department.  However, the committee ranking them above FSU, OSU, and Baylor in the previous week seemed to signal exactly what you are saying:  they believed TCU was simply the better team,  and that their close loss @ Baylor, assisted by screwy reffing, was offset by their better out-of-conference schedule and lack of a loss to a team like WVU.  If this is so, then killing ISU should do nothing but reaffirm what the committee already thought about their body of work, even if it doesn't add much.  Just as Baylor beating KSU at home--a KSU team that TCU already beat, and Baylor was favored to beat--confirms what we knew about Baylor. 

Clearly, though, (as Herbie argued) the committee was ranking the teams very differently than the polls do.  They were (as you suggested as well) awarding points based on quality of opponent, reassessing each week.  TCU and Baylor were so close going in (despite their 3 vs. 6 ranking) that factoring in their respective wins over ISU and KSU--and even taking into account the TCU margin of vicory--was still enough to switch their positions.  This is a logical explanation, but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical about this actually being the true account, especially given that TCU was previously ranked above FSU.  I think (and you seem to) that TCU just has a better overall resume than Baylor.  I'm willing to hear arguments in favor of OSU, but the committee slotting TCU at sixth in the end leads me to believe, not just that the data changed, but that some of them changed their minds about how they were interpretting the data. 

ThirdVanGundy

December 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

A B1G team in the Rose Bowl this year. That's why I don't like the Playoff. If you're going to have one, at least make it eight teams.

Wolverine Devotee

December 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

Anyone who wanted osu to get in is just strange. Those assholes would never want Michigan to get in for the B1G. Fuck the B1G. It's all about us.

snarling wolverine

December 7th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

And a whole bunch of teams beat Va Tech, who embarrassed OSU.   A whole bunch of teams beat PSU, who took OSU to overtime.  Indiana - without Sudfeld! - hung with OSU for three quarters.  Forget the transitive property.

The B1G sucks.  Watch the playoff/bowls if you don't believe me.

I'd much rather see OSU get embarrassed (which they will) than win some second-tier bowl and claim that they were actually the "hottest team in the country" all offseason.

 

alum96

December 7th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^

So the eye test of struggling vs PSU Michigan and Indiana vs TCU's 1 struggle v Kansas apparently doesnt matter either.

TCU and Baylor also played 9 conf game vs everyone else's 8.  Horrid.

OSU's 3rd best win is Maryland. 

G. Gulo of the Dale

December 7th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

... He was mystified as to why the committee would rank TCU #3 one week and then drop them all the way to #6 when they did all they could do against their opponent.  So, he wasn't "hating" on OSU directly so much as finding TCU's drop of three spots to be unjustified.  He was clearly viewing the committee's criteria for ranking as being more similar to how the AP and Coaches' Polls normally work:  i.e., he thinks that calling TCU #3 is tantamount to saying that "we think they're the third best team in the country, period."  Thus, blowing out ISU this week should have done little to change that.  Herbie, of course, countered by emphasizing that the committee "hits the reset button" and re-evaluates resumes every week.  

I don't normally care for Joey, but I was happy that he was at least putting his argument out there for consideration--despite it having unfavorable implications for the Buckeyes--because I think it captures certain basic expectations that fans have, given the polling process we're used to seeing. 

EDIT:  To be clear, Joey still believes that the committee got the four teams right, even though they got the process wrong.

michfanisbacka…

December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

Anybody who is acting outraged is a fucking idiot. 4-5-6 were all so fucking close there was never going to be a clear answer. You could make a great argument for any of the teams.

Clarence Beeks

December 7th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^

False. You could make a terrible argument for all three teams. This is the year where there are four spots but only three teams that were obviously worthy of a spot. Thus, the best of the rest (OSU) gets Alabama. In New Orleans.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 7th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^

ought to have eliminated them. Both TCU and Baylor have their starting QBs. I can't see Jones doing much Alabama. That game is going to get ugly. Bama is going to shut down OSU's run and force Jones to beat them. Bama also has the athletes to match up on the outside with OSU.

 

Then there is the reality that OSU's defense is mediocre. I expect Kiffin to put up 40 vs OSU.

BlueHills

December 7th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

I agree about being able to make a strong argument for any of the three teams.

My take on it is that regardless of whether OSU wins, it's good for the Big Ten champion to be selected. I'd like to see OSU win, on behalf of the conference. I'm sick of the critics.

All the conferences have their flaws, so it'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't see Florida State winning its game based on their very close wins against meh competition.

jsquigg

December 7th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

Baylor and TCU would kick Ohio's ass on a neutral field.  Don't be fooled because they beat an overrated one dimensional Wisconsin team.  West Virginia and Baylor are better than Va Tech.

Now let's count the big wins between the teams:

Ohio: MSU, Wisconsin

Baylor: TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas State

TCU: Oklahoma, Kansas State

Plus, the Big XII was better than the Big 10 as a conference.  Something's fishy in Denmark.