December 7th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^
That is the WORST argument for TCU among many GREAT arguments for them.
They whooped a 2 win football team...who fucking cares? Iowa State is 10 points away from being winless.
Arguing for TCU by using Iowa St is like arguing for Baylor using Kansas.
Who cares if these team beat the snot out of awful teams.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
TCU was #3 last week, they crushed a 2-win team just like you'd expect the #3 team to do, then the committee decided NOW that TCU is #6? It makes no sense at all
December 7th, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^
Baylor crushed Kansas. You don't make the argument for Baylor because they crushed Kansas.
Who gives a shit if you beat the crap out of bad teams? That shouldn't matter whatsoever.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
Thats going to be one thing this committee will have to answer for the next year.
You say TCU is #3
You then beat a team 55-3
And then you drop them 3 spots?
The argument is that they were 'in' last week. Why would you take them out after beating a horrible team just like they needed to?
December 7th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^
vs. better opponents.
It's not rocket science.
I'll use this analogy just so you can understand...
Say last week TCU was a 90
FSU was 89
OSU was 88
Baylor was 87
...now you get 5 points for an elite win, 4 for a solid win, 3 for an average win, 2 for a meh win, 1 for a cupcake
This week...
TCU is 91
FSU is 93
OSU is 92
Baylor is 91 or 92 depending on if you think Kansas St. is elite or solid.
....see how your rankings just flipped? It's not knocking TCU, they actually went UP in point. It's rewarding OSU, FSU and Baylor.
I don't think it can be said any clearer. You may not agree with it, and that's fine. But that is why the "we were #3 and we beat ISU is a shit argument."
The better argument is TCU is the better team, we weren't a 90 to begin with, we were a 95. That's better than arguing for ISU.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:32 PM ^
They're flat better...
Their only loss is on the road @ Baylor.
Those are much better arguments for TCU than...they crushed ISU.
December 7th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
... but I don't think your argument and Bordon's arguments are so opposed. I don't think TCU thrashing ISU earns them a whole lot more in the bona fides department. However, the committee ranking them above FSU, OSU, and Baylor in the previous week seemed to signal exactly what you are saying: they believed TCU was simply the better team, and that their close loss @ Baylor, assisted by screwy reffing, was offset by their better out-of-conference schedule and lack of a loss to a team like WVU. If this is so, then killing ISU should do nothing but reaffirm what the committee already thought about their body of work, even if it doesn't add much. Just as Baylor beating KSU at home--a KSU team that TCU already beat, and Baylor was favored to beat--confirms what we knew about Baylor.
Clearly, though, (as Herbie argued) the committee was ranking the teams very differently than the polls do. They were (as you suggested as well) awarding points based on quality of opponent, reassessing each week. TCU and Baylor were so close going in (despite their 3 vs. 6 ranking) that factoring in their respective wins over ISU and KSU--and even taking into account the TCU margin of vicory--was still enough to switch their positions. This is a logical explanation, but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical about this actually being the true account, especially given that TCU was previously ranked above FSU. I think (and you seem to) that TCU just has a better overall resume than Baylor. I'm willing to hear arguments in favor of OSU, but the committee slotting TCU at sixth in the end leads me to believe, not just that the data changed, but that some of them changed their minds about how they were interpretting the data.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
A B1G team in the Rose Bowl this year. That's why I don't like the Playoff. If you're going to have one, at least make it eight teams.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
OSU just made a case that neither Baylor nor TCU could make. If the B12 had a playoff OSU probably doesn't make it.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
Actually a lot of buckeye fans want Michigan to be a lot better, since our constant suckage is making them less relevant.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
Didn't seem to hurt them this year.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
If they had a real shot at beating Bama, I wouldn't want them in. But I don't think they do.
I don't think people grasp just how bad the B1G is. They're going to get thrashed.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^
Yeah so bad that Indiana beat the SEC East champion? So bad that Wisconsin had to do everything they possibly could to lose to LSU the same LSU that took Bama to overtime??????
December 7th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
And a whole bunch of teams beat Va Tech, who embarrassed OSU. A whole bunch of teams beat PSU, who took OSU to overtime. Indiana - without Sudfeld! - hung with OSU for three quarters. Forget the transitive property.
The B1G sucks. Watch the playoff/bowls if you don't believe me.
I'd much rather see OSU get embarrassed (which they will) than win some second-tier bowl and claim that they were actually the "hottest team in the country" all offseason.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
Yeah, forget the transitive property. I sat and watched Indi fucking ana beat Missouri the SEC EAST FUCKING CHAMPION.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
And I sat and watched that same Indiana team - only now down to its 4th-string QB - lead OSU in the second half, in Columbus.
What's your point?
Bama is going to thrash OSU.
December 7th, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
Not true. Most Buckeyes I know would love to see Michigan get back to some semblance of respectability. A strong Michigan only helps OSU.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
So the eye test of struggling vs PSU Michigan and Indiana vs TCU's 1 struggle v Kansas apparently doesnt matter either.
TCU and Baylor also played 9 conf game vs everyone else's 8. Horrid.
OSU's 3rd best win is Maryland.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
I dont think the committee cares about the eye test.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
52-3 win over 10 loss sisters of the poor OR 59-0 shutout win over 10 win divsion champion. That's what it boiled down to.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
Boy Joey Galloway is being the opposite of a homer right now. Downright hating on OSU.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
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December 7th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
I turned it off as soon as those bastards came up on the board, and should have turned it off once I saw FSU at #3, because at that point I knew what was what.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
What did he say? (For us plebes without cable)
December 7th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^
that TCU was bounced by OSU. He's not making any new friends in Columbus and is likely being scratched off many Christmas Card lists.
December 7th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^
... He was mystified as to why the committee would rank TCU #3 one week and then drop them all the way to #6 when they did all they could do against their opponent. So, he wasn't "hating" on OSU directly so much as finding TCU's drop of three spots to be unjustified. He was clearly viewing the committee's criteria for ranking as being more similar to how the AP and Coaches' Polls normally work: i.e., he thinks that calling TCU #3 is tantamount to saying that "we think they're the third best team in the country, period." Thus, blowing out ISU this week should have done little to change that. Herbie, of course, countered by emphasizing that the committee "hits the reset button" and re-evaluates resumes every week.
I don't normally care for Joey, but I was happy that he was at least putting his argument out there for consideration--despite it having unfavorable implications for the Buckeyes--because I think it captures certain basic expectations that fans have, given the polling process we're used to seeing.
EDIT: To be clear, Joey still believes that the committee got the four teams right, even though they got the process wrong.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
He's the best whiner on the planet.
Anyone who doesn't think this load of bullshit is awful for college football is on drugs.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
Imagine if the BCS was still in play
1. FSU
2. One-loss Oregon, Alabama, Ohio State, TCU and Baylor
This year you have two teams screwed. The BCS would've screwed 4
December 7th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^
No one-loss team is ever truly screwed. It didn't take care of business.
December 7th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^
Ok, then let's just crown FSU the champion now, even after they played in a terribly weak conference and looked bad a lot of the time while doing it.
I'll say it now, they are going to get absolutely steamrolled by Oregon.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^
Saban is licking his chops in preparing for OSU.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
3 of these coaches are impossible to root for - Saban, Meyer, Fisher. But it says something - asses tend to win
HIRE JIM HARBAUGH
December 7th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
Go Ducks
December 7th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^
and those ducks i'm sure are running a clean program
December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
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December 7th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^
I already hate Ohio State. Now they are making me root for fucking Alabama, Nick Saban, and the SEC. I hate them even more for that.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
Anybody who is acting outraged is a fucking idiot. 4-5-6 were all so fucking close there was never going to be a clear answer. You could make a great argument for any of the teams.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
ought to have eliminated them. Both TCU and Baylor have their starting QBs. I can't see Jones doing much Alabama. That game is going to get ugly. Bama is going to shut down OSU's run and force Jones to beat them. Bama also has the athletes to match up on the outside with OSU.
Then there is the reality that OSU's defense is mediocre. I expect Kiffin to put up 40 vs OSU.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
I don't know man Bama's secondary is pretty shaky. I saw Clint Trickett and Nick Marshall carve them up. Hell Mauk was getting some huge plays on them. It's hard to say you would punish OSU for having Cardale Jone as a QB when he just won them a conference championship by 59 points.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^
I agree about being able to make a strong argument for any of the three teams.
My take on it is that regardless of whether OSU wins, it's good for the Big Ten champion to be selected. I'd like to see OSU win, on behalf of the conference. I'm sick of the critics.
All the conferences have their flaws, so it'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't see Florida State winning its game based on their very close wins against meh competition.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
If you read between the liness, he's smacking the B12 hard for not having a Championship.
December 7th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
Exactly.
December 7th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
December 7th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
Baylor and TCU would kick Ohio's ass on a neutral field. Don't be fooled because they beat an overrated one dimensional Wisconsin team. West Virginia and Baylor are better than Va Tech.
Now let's count the big wins between the teams:
Ohio: MSU, Wisconsin
Baylor: TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas State
TCU: Oklahoma, Kansas State
Plus, the Big XII was better than the Big 10 as a conference. Something's fishy in Denmark.