Chris Doyle resigns 1 day after Urban Meyer hired him
Amid backlash, Meyer expresses regrets that the team hired this ass-clown. Very on-brand for Urban. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4470694001
February 13th, 2021 at 12:38 AM ^
? it took urban Meyer less than one week to find his first scandal. To his credit, he has not even tried to blame this one on the cyst (always good to have that in the back pocket for his next misstep)
February 13th, 2021 at 2:23 AM ^
Urban is named after a pope, and is a devout Catholic. I'm sure all of this gets straightened out every week in confession, and he's doubtless good with god. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten all the calls in 2016
February 13th, 2021 at 7:46 AM ^
1st part of your comment was solid. 2nd part, not so much. It's Grace through Faith, not works, my man. Rituals, confession and good deeds ain't gonna do it.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:13 AM ^
Do I detect a fellow Calvinist?
February 13th, 2021 at 9:48 AM ^
I went to school with Calvin.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:50 AM ^
I resemble that remark.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:56 AM ^
:-) my ancestors fled to the Netherlands after the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, allegedly.
February 13th, 2021 at 10:08 AM ^
T-shirt available for purchase at the Unemployed Philosophers Guild
February 13th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^
Closet Calvinist here. I should have known I wasn't alone on such a diverse board. Guilty of the Elijah thing.
Q. What did the Calvinist say after he fell down the stairs?
A: Glad that's over!
Negbang away if you are an Arminian. :)
February 13th, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^
Was not expecting to find discussion of Reformed theology in this thread, but I'm not unhappy about it.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^
Rituals, confession and good deeds ain't gonna do it.
So all my good deeds aren't gonna lead to my salvation? Why didn't you tell me that sooner? Hedonism here I come!
February 13th, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^
You're doing it all wrong! You need to fetishize "anti-ritual," deny embodiment... and then act as miserable as possible. Too much bayou in you!
February 13th, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^
Salvation is through God's grace, not through good works.
February 13th, 2021 at 1:26 PM ^
In my experience, which consists of spending my entire life in the CRC, Calvinists are very good at applying this standard to themselves ("I'm saved, I truly believe") but not great at applying to others ("They did something I don't like, they couldn't possibly truly believe").
That's not unique to Calvinists obviously, but it always rubs me the wrong way when these valid conversations about someone's questionable decisions veer into discussions about someone's eternal soul, especially when it's an uninvolved 3rd party.
February 13th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^
Block,
The whole point is Grace through Faith and if you do truly believe and have that Faith, the Holy Spirit will change you and you will be Christ-Like.
Being Christ-Like will mean that you follow God's word as much as possible. If you say you truly believe, but you are still doing things that you shouldn't according to the word, then you don't truly believe. Hence the "Narrow Gate". Many say they believe, but do they really?
It is a bit complicated, but there are some good Preachers that lay it out for us. I hope that helps.
February 13th, 2021 at 3:29 PM ^
I have heard those sermons countless times, from many preachers I respect greatly. I understand the concept.
I do not, however, think it's appropriate to debate someone else's salvation or lack thereof. It's not productive, and it assumes things about their inner self that no one else will ever and can ever know. No one wins except for the fleeting sense of superiority or judging someone else.
Just my opinion, of course.
February 13th, 2021 at 5:25 PM ^
Come for the Urban Meyer bashing, stay for the theology discussion. The MGoBlog difference.
February 13th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
Wow. Never expected anything here to go this far. I am a total POS, way too prone to drunkenness, like the rest of the MMB trombone section (hopefully the rest of you outgrew said affliction), and way too tending toward proclivity toward vice. I did have the privilege of doing some devotionals for the football team during Lloyd's tenure, in spite of myself. And it went well. Michigan recruits such outstanding men. Not 100%, but yeah, they are a great group overall vis-a-vis anyone else you would like to set up as a control group.
Yeah, responding to the above, I am too fat to make it through the "narrow gate" if judged by works. Calvinists are people who recognize they suck. Include me in the aforementioned group of those who suck. And in any way in which you might suck too, I will be uncompromisingly sympathetic. I will be delighted to buy anyone on this board a drink if given the opportunity to further discuss, when we meet in A^2.
February 13th, 2021 at 5:35 PM ^
Fellow, former MMB trombonist here too. You get bonus points for getting into heaven if you played the trombone in the MMB, so you have that going for you.
February 13th, 2021 at 7:31 PM ^
I think that’s essentially the fundamental attribution error at work!
February 13th, 2021 at 8:31 AM ^
Forgiveness and salvation require genuine and sincere remorse for one's misdeeds and a desire for repentance.
I doubt Urban Meyer possess either of these qualities... at least whenever a camera isn't on him or he's not in front of an ethics committee.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:00 AM ^
When Urban wants to repent he eats pizza.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
Live action cam....
February 13th, 2021 at 11:13 AM ^
His cyst will come into play and get blamed eventually. True scumbag
February 13th, 2021 at 12:45 AM ^
Urban is a shithead. He didn't learn anything from the scandal with his wife beating, ball lifting WR coach.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:10 AM ^
"He didn't learn anything from the scandal with his wife beating, ball lifting WR coach."
Huh? Over the years he's "learned" that he can get away with plenty of shit if he wins games and is plenty smoove when visiting the parents of recruits (and subtly trashing Harbaugh and Michigan so "smoovely" that the parents get his upspoken message even when consciously thinking that he's praising Harbaugh and Michigan).
It's nice to see a teflon creature like Urban get some shit. He's getting beaten pretty badly about Doyle.
I'm far from sold on Harbaugh's performance since 2014, but Urban is a good example of why Ohio State is on another cultural tier (a lower one) from Michigan.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:21 AM ^
A month or two back, when Jim H's job was in doubt, the question was floated about on the board would we want Urban as head coach at Michigan. We all know it would never happen but it was a slow news-day. A surprising number said give us Urban and the W's. I wonder if any of those individuals are now rethinking their position (or more correctly, actually thinking for the first time about their position).
February 13th, 2021 at 9:49 AM ^
No. However, they will mention how deplorable he is in this conversation. But again, the next time that question is floated, they will - again - say they'd take him for the W's. And the next scandal in his name will - again - cause them to say what a schmuck he is. Rinse and repeat...
February 13th, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
I'm not a fan of shielding a guy like Smith or hiring a racist like Doyle, but I'd happily overlook some of Urban's other decisions for 11-13 wins every year even if that means skirting outdated NCAA rules a bit.
February 13th, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^
Hi. I somewhat facetiously said to hire Urban. I don't think he would honestly ever be a candidate for UM and was practicing some light nihilism from deep within my BPONE.
February 13th, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^
@UM85
At some point it's probably worth accounting that each of us is going to have failings (Sark, Urban, ex-Iowa S/C coach, Pruitt et al. among them). At a certain point "consequences" will occur from those actions that may or may not satisfy the ever moving goalposts of those who might judge. In Meyer's case, he is not coaching tOSU (I'm reluctant to believe the cyst rationale) and in this S/C coach he is apparently unemployable. Sark, on the other hand, new job at Texas. Pruitt, time will tell where new McDonald's bags may appear.
The question is, if people land on the opposite side of our societal judgment (see: Twitter mobs on one side or another) are they beyond redemption, forever? Have we inherently moved on from forgiveness or a culture that supports second chances? What flagellation would we ask of Meyer before he would have joined at Michigan? How can this ex-Iowa S/C coach be redeemed? Is it possible? If not where are we as a society that once supported a culture of redemption, second chances and renewal?
Personally, I believe in redemption and that humans, while fallible, are also redeemable. If Meyer were to admit his past transgressions and a desire to make things right I'd be open to him (although at this point he'd be Bruce Arians aged by the time that happened).
February 13th, 2021 at 12:47 AM ^
Come on Urban. Pop the hood up and see what’s wrong in Jacksonville
February 13th, 2021 at 12:51 AM ^
Can you say tone deaf?
February 13th, 2021 at 9:02 AM ^
You got it in first. Didn't mean to copy your comment.
February 13th, 2021 at 1:13 AM ^
Hey Urban, SMH, that is all.
February 13th, 2021 at 1:31 AM ^
Way to get your NFL career off to a great start Urban. Good luck explaining to the lockerroom why you hired that racist piece of trash in the first place.
February 13th, 2021 at 1:34 AM ^
I actually wish him every success in the NFL. And, by every success, I mean abject failure.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:00 AM ^
I give Urban two years in the NFL. Then, in a just world, he emulates Chip Kelly and fails as a savior at someplace like Tennessee. But, since the world is cold and cruel, Meyer does a Nick Saban and winds up in Austin and wins a bunch more national championships.
February 13th, 2021 at 6:11 AM ^
That's one extremely tone-deaf move right there, bwoy. But. . . a welter of VERY interesting issues that go with a hire to probably the most conservative franchise in what is sometimes asserted to be the most conservative city in the United States. . . The question of whether Black players want to buy what white coaches and franchises are selling them is going to loom ever larger.
Some real potential for this Urban hire to fail in explosive fashion. The NFL AND college football are large and changing animals, and a guy with Urban's record is going to be placed under the microscope. Break out the popcorn.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:03 AM ^
Jags owner is South Asian.
February 13th, 2021 at 9:17 AM ^
"Forget it. He's rolling"
February 13th, 2021 at 9:59 AM ^
Shad Khan donated $1M to the Trump Inaugural Committee. On the other hand he seemed genuinely upset by racial bias in the wake of the Floyd murder (LINK). Overall, he doesn't seem like a cultural misfit for the area.
February 13th, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^
Socially conservative white people tend to have issues with brown people like Khan.
Why do I have to tell you this?
February 13th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^
Not so mind-blowing it's worth saying twice.
February 13th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^
Socially conservative people like socially conservative people. I understand the concept is mind-blowing.
February 13th, 2021 at 10:12 AM ^
They do, but they also have issues with brown people.
February 13th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
Yeah, but they are cool with Orange people.
February 13th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^
I just love it when someone uses a broad brush to condemn another group of people because they allegedly use a broad bush to categorize a set of people.
February 13th, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^
As a brown person in Florida, I can say socially conservative people only have a problem with me if I dare to disagree with them.