CDC: Fully Vaccinated Americans Can Return to Life Without Masks [locked]

Submitted by HelloHeisman91 on May 13th, 2021 at 3:22 PM
https://twitter.com/abc/status/1392902716326830087?s=21

Sopwith

May 13th, 2021 at 4:51 PM ^

Weeeeellll... I never did get that last installment of the Covid Sharpies up, the last one was supposed to be about vaccines. Now there's a ton of data and variants to boot, so might be worth finishing up with it. I gotta do some drawing.

njvictor

May 13th, 2021 at 3:26 PM ^

Big news. Curious how the transition to no masks is going to go for businesses and government and if places are going to wait for vaccination percentages to get higher first

Gobgoblue

May 13th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^

I mean obviously the argument is in bad faith and people are really just saying they hate to be inconvenienced, but it’s weird how the comparing masks/vax to the Holocaust took hold when the Holocaust was to kill people and these... do not. 
 

Like you didn’t even bother to make your reactionary BS plausible. 
 

anyway excited to not wear masks as much! 

UMfan21

May 13th, 2021 at 3:29 PM ^

Suddenly everyone has been "Vaccinated"  *wink wink*   I am anticipating cases to shoot up here in 1-2 months.

 

 

LSAClassOf2000

May 13th, 2021 at 3:30 PM ^

Well, for work purposes (my work anyway), we are wearing them still until further notice, so when I am in the field, it's masks all the way for now. Otherwise, I will still wear them until the number of vaccinated people is a bit higher as I am in a higher risk category even though I am indeed the proud owner of two Moderna doses, and I've heavily considered utilizing them during cold and flu season as well.

befuggled

May 13th, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^

I've lived for more than a decade in Toronto in areas with large east Asian immigrant populations. Seeing masks has been reasonably common in the winter during the cold and flu season, and I wouldn't be disappointed to see that continue.

It would also be nice to see sick people continue to stay home, too.

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 3:34 PM ^

It's November 1989 in America.  The populace is tired of the pandemic (wall) and all the various rules that infringe upon freedom.  No government can stop this wave.

Let the party begin.

Vaccine passports won't be a thing either.  There is no general support for such things.

1974

May 13th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

No hyperbole here. No, sir. Definitely the same as the Berlin Wall. Unquestionably.

We probably at least agree on outdoor masking. I've toed the line on almost all things COVID but I've never masked outside unless in close quarters. Fluid dynamics. The risk has always been low.

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 4:35 PM ^

Yes, it's a bit of hyperbole.

But I'd argue it's not complete hyperbole.  There are some similarities between:

(1) a May 2021 mask-mandating Governor saying "yes, our rules work!  People here are healthier and have less COVID, and it is because of our mandates!  Trust me, everyone in Texas or Florida is dying right now, they are all suffering because masks aren't required and they had super-spreader events!"

(2) a October 1989 East German governmental official saying "yes, our rules work!  People here are happier and economic opportunities are greater, and it is because of our Marxist rules!  Trust me, everyone in West Berlin is suffering under Capitalism!"

The difference, of course, is that facts flowed less freely in 1980s East Germany versus 2021 America.

But, over time, be it a few months (e.g., the span of time between Texas dropping their mask mandate and it becoming clear that nothing really changed there) or 2 generations (1945 to 1989), the truth tends to win out.  The time it takes is disproportionately related to how freely facts and truth flow.

Sopwith

May 13th, 2021 at 4:49 PM ^

This is about 6 full degrees of nonsense. Texas dropping the mask mandate did not change the behavior of many if not most businesses and individuals. The cities, where the spread is of biggest concern, maintained the mandates until they were forced to drop more recently, and the populace/private actors picked it up from there. Now the vaccinations are catching up. They deserved a good outcome because they largely ignored Greg Abbott along the way.

The rural areas with both low masking and low vaccination rates are having bigger problems.

And the states haven't converged. Florida has the highest hospitalization rate per 100k of any warm-weather state by some margin. It also has the highest death rate among warm-weather states. And those rates range from 0.04 to 0.61 per 100k. A full order of magnitude is not "all converging to the same number."

What a bizarre conspiracy theory you seem so entirely sold on. And you still can't explain what you think the motivation of the conspiracy is. Someone's uncle owns a mask factory/. 

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^

Can you SOURCE your numbers?  Specifically, can you source your numbers that show "rates ranging from 0.04 to 0.61 per 100k"?  Can you source your numbers that show Florida's high death rate?

I'll provide my source.  It's WorldOMeters, which is a standard source. 

But FWIW, Florida, according to my source, has an aggregate per capita death rate lower than the country as a whole. 

Lower than the country as a whole.

I'm open to a discussion, but I'd like to see you source your numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Sopwith

May 13th, 2021 at 5:10 PM ^

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Hawaii at 0.04/100k, Wyoming close behind at 0.05/100k with the best results.

Michigan at .61/100k.

NYT tracker, which bases the tracker on the following:

Sources: State and local health agencies (cases, deaths); U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (tests, hospitalizations). The seven-day average is the average of a day and the previous six days of data. Currently hospitalized is the most recent number of patients with Covid-19 reported by hospitals in the state for the four days prior. Dips and spikes could be due to inconsistent reporting by hospitals. Hospitalization numbers early in the pandemic are undercounts due to incomplete reporting by hospitals to the federal government. Tests represent the number of individual P.C.R. viral test specimens tested by laboratories and state health departments and reported to the federal government by the 50 states, Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico.

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 5:34 PM ^

Those are covid CASES.

I'm not being mean - but you writing was poor.  Your 2 sentences immediately preceding your "rates" sentence both referenced hospitalizations and deaths.  Nobody would know that the "those" in the sentence "and those rates range from 0.04 to 0.61 per 100k." would refer to cases.

Anyway, everything I was talking about in regards to convergence was in the aggregate.  In the aggregate, states have been converging toward each other.  Florida toward New York, even despite the fact that Florida still does have an aggregate death rate below the national average (a point you still need to address).

njvictor

May 13th, 2021 at 3:43 PM ^

How do people comment things like this and expect to be taken seriously?

 Vaccine passports won't be a thing either. There is no general support for such things

Not true

"The survey — which included over 3,700 adults and took place at the end of April — found that 57 percent of Americans believe proof of vaccination should be required for air travel, while 55 percent said it should be mandated for crowded events."

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 3:53 PM ^

$100 internet dollars says vaccine passports are never required for air travel. 

Why would the airlines be in favor of such things anyway?  They are in the business of providing air transportation, not checking people's vaccine records.  Besides, the airlines have already been generally providing safe air transportation for the last 14 months, and doing so successfully.  Just how many documented examples are there of someone catching COVID on a commercial air flight?

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On a larger note: things go in cycles.  Authoritarianism (on both the right and left) gained a bit of a foothold in America during the 2015-2021 era.  But that will be on the wain in the future.  So go the societal cycles.

njvictor

May 13th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

And now you're changing your argument. You said that vaccine passports don't have general support when in fact a majority of people think they're a good idea. I never said they will happen, but the your point about them not having support is false

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 4:05 PM ^

Your numbers are fine, but look at what is actually happening among decision makers.  That's a better barometer of "general support", given how politicians sway with the wind.

Outside of Hawaii, there aren't even legislative proposals for vaccine passports in the States.  A number of States, meanwhile, have outright banned the things.

NittanyFan

May 13th, 2021 at 4:43 PM ^

Norwegian Cruise Lines is well within their rights to require passengers to wear masks, and Florida is well within their rights for their own rules. 

Yes, Florida loses some $$$ here in the immediate-term.

But let's see how that plays out in the next 6-18 months.  Norwegian has competitors, and some of those competitors won't require masks, and those competitors will be embarking from the state of Florida.

As is often the case, the free-market will ultimately decide.  We'll see if Florida loses $$$ in the long-run.  Of note, Florida is one state that has had significant population increases of late (as opposed to California, which just saw an annual population decline for the first time in the Golden State's history).