CBS NFL Draft Analyst says Michigan could have double digit NFL draft picks in April
I've been watching #Michigan tape all morning and I'm not even halfway through the roster. Should have double-digit draft picks next spring.
— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) August 22, 2016
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^
Clearly the top NFL Draft Analyst in the biz.
August 22nd, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^
...because I suggested last summer (2015) Harbaugh would showcase how much talent Michigan had on its roster. Everyone was caught up in Ohio State's embarrassment of riches and didn't believe anyone else in the league had anywhere near as much talent as OSU did.
For all his faults as a coach, Brady Hoke did a damn good job of recruiting and amassing talent.
Furthermore, this is why I was so upset by DJ Durkin's horrible gameplan. It made the gap between Michigan and Ohio State seem enormous (re: scoreboard). If he had shown some creativity/ingenuity, we could have beaten Ohio State by taking calculated risks. But in the interest of fairness, the offensive coaches deserve some blame as well for only getting 13 points out of the offense.
August 22nd, 2016 at 8:51 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^
Dane Brugler and Scott Wolf of the LA Daily News really do not get enough recognition for the great work they're putting in.
August 22nd, 2016 at 5:01 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^
Isn't this a little obvious?
Given:
Lewis
Peppers
Butt
Chesson
Darboh
Wormley
Glasgow
Charlton
Now pick 3 from:
Deveon
Magnuson
Braden
Kalis
Stribling
Thomas
Clark
Hill
Small chance that Cole goes early
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^
Beat me by a few minutes.... Almost identical, though I think you missed Mo Hurst, and I'm not sure Darboh is a lock.
+1 though for sure.
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
Just replied to yours! About 96% certain Hurst is back next year.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^
Gut feeling that Peppers stays one more year (fingers crossed).
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:53 PM ^
He already gave the "I'm not thinking about next year, my focus is on this year" answer to a question about leaving. which almost always means the dude is gone
August 22nd, 2016 at 6:05 PM ^
Maybe I'm just an optimist in hoping he stays, but what else is he supposed to say? "I'm thinking about 2017 before 2016 starts?"
I don't think him saying he's focused on this year means anything. Ask again later.
August 22nd, 2016 at 6:51 PM ^
but if he were likely to come back, he might say something like "I'm coming back. I told my mama or my grandmama I'd get my degree..yada yada". Those are the kind of statements that are made sometimes that can make you feel better about a return.
August 22nd, 2016 at 5:23 PM ^
96% that Hurst is back ? I sure hope so but from what I have heard from him I promise you that he isn't even sure himself. Hopefully he decides that playing his senior year at Michigan and having a great chance to become a first round pick is worth returning. He would play a lot more next season for sure.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
much depends on how the OL and DBs play this year and then the bowls, combine, pro days, etc. they obviously have like 6-8 draft locks as you indicated and then the senior OL and DBs have a chance to really help themselves this year
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
Stribling.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
Stribling.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:21 PM ^
is probably not a given at this point.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^
peppers is too short for the NFL
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:26 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^
This is good and bad. Bad that we will lose all of these great players. Good that it shows Harbaugh can get guys drafted. Good that is likely means they had great seasons, which helped win games. As long as we win something meaningful this season, I won't be too upset if anyone leaves early.
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^
Peppers
Butt
Lewis
Glasglow
Wormley
Hurst
Chesson
Charlton
Dymonte Thomas (on athleticism?)
Darboh (hands and route running)
Kalis (if he pulls it together this year)
De"veon Smith (probably UDFA, but gets a look)
Mason Cole (probably returns for his senior year)
Probably a bunch of other UDFAs as well... Who'd I miss?
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
I'd be beyond shocked if Hurst left after this year. He's just not going to get enough snaps to go in the first two rounds which is what he deserves. He's definitely good enough, but he will be back.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^
well then be ready to be beyond shocked, because even in limited use, NFL scouts will do their job, and he will get a high grade, and leave, all the same...
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:13 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^
well then be ready to be beyond shocked, because even in limited use, NFL scouts will do their job, and he will get a high grade, and leave, all the same...
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
about our players, OSU, not getting drafted, and beating MSU. I just can't quite remember what it is.
August 22nd, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
Hopefully we can leverage this into a recruiting class like OSU's.
August 22nd, 2016 at 5:35 PM ^
Right now, Ohio State has a recruiting class with 302+ points (in 24/7's system). We will finish with a class that - at the minimum - reaches 290 points.
August 22nd, 2016 at 10:36 PM ^
If only.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
Locks (>90% barring injury): 5
Lewis, Butt, Peppers*, Wormley, Chesson
Likely (50-90%): 4
Charlton, Glasgow, Braden, Thomas
Candidate (30-50%): 7
Stribling, Clark, D.Hill, Magnuson, Gedeon, Smith, Hurst*
Free Agent (<20%): 5
Kalis, Johnson, Darboh, Godin, Allen
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
Assuming 8 of the 9 likely/locks get drafted you only need 2 more.
Clark and Stribling are tall CBs - in high demand and hard to fine. Hill is an excellent athlete who will test well at the combine. Gedeon too for his size. Magnuson's versatility and pass protection will be a selling point. Smith may have a Toby Gerhart season where his production is simply too high to be ignored late in the draft(and there's always the FB option too).
I don't think Hurst will go pro this year, but it has to be acknowledged that scouts are paying attention.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
Oh and I forgot O'Korn, whose stock after leading an undefeated team to a national title will never be higher.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
I thought he was a pure LT when he came in, but I think his feet have slowed down a bit with added weight. That said, if he's started to gain the confidence and attitude he had as a high school recruit and he starts to play closer to his ceiling rather than back-and-forth between a guy that is physical and a guy that isn't, then he could make a nice flex option for an NFL team similar to Schofield (though I don't think he has the tackle upside Schofield did).
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
I think if we are able to have comparable success this season and in the draft to what Ohio State last year we will see a similar jump in recruiting and we will be fully established as a national power again.
These boys are working hard and they deserve any success they get this season.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^
1st Round: Lewis, Peppers, Butt
2nd Round: Glasgow, Wormley, Taco
3rd Round: Chesson, Magnunson
4th Round: Thomas
5th Round: Stribling
6th Round: Darboh, Smith
7th Round: Braden, Clark
Rising tide lifts all boats. A top 4 finish will mean all of our seniors look good. If we have injuries I could see Hurst, Mone, Bunting looking great in relief and declaring early. I don't quite see it with Kalis or Hill or Gedeon. Also if we have a fantastic year our starting QB could declare early which I imagine would mean they were a 3rd round or higher pick.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^
I don't see a guy with Chesson's size and speed lasting past the 2nd round
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^
NFL scouts viewed him as a nickel corner because of his size and Butt is a fringe 1st rounder due to the fact he doesn't have explosive athleticism and is a below average blocker.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:31 PM ^
Also, Glasgow, while a very good college football player, doesn't have the size to be a 3-4 NT and doesn't have the pure athleticism to be a high round pick, so 2nd round is too high. Both Clark and Stribbling won't be drafted with the way Michigan's D is setup. Mags doesn't have the OT upside to be drafted in the 3rd round and needs to improve his consistency to be taken primarily as an interior OL.
I think a lot of these players can and will get drafted, but it's not about them as college players, it's about how they project to what NFL teams want to do with them.
August 22nd, 2016 at 3:43 PM ^
These absolutes coming from you are absolutely hilarious. Will Campbell got drafted. No one that is starting is off limits in terms of the possibility of being drafted. No one. Stop pretending otherwise.
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:01 PM ^
Anyone can improve a lot and improve their draft stock, but for all of them to and for other guys not to as much, is a bit optimistic. The list above would be Michigan's best draft class ever, easily. I don't think people understand how difficult it is to be one of the top 32 players in college football, let alone have three. o have nearly 10% of the top 64 players and over 8% of the top 96 would be incredible, especially when projecting to the NFL (and remember there are small schools that are adding talented players into the mix as well), would be spectacular. Very, very few teams have done that.
But if you think based on the film that is out there right now, not to mention and influx of younger guys and smaller school guys that blow and guys that blowup at the combine, then you are mistaken. Michigan is very talented this year. They are talented enough to win the national title. Sure, Glasgow could blow up and go in round 2. Almost every place doesn't even have him on the draft radar, which fine, they can be wrong as well. But typically guys that have started a long time at a major program aren't that overlooked. And he is undersized to be a 3-4 NT, plain and simple. And none of that is saying Glasgow can't be a very good NFL player, but it's about where he projects and where his ceiling projects. He isn't a freak athlete; Mike Martin, a better athlete and more productive player, was drafted in the middle of the 3rd. Glasgow could have a better NFL career than Martin, but he doesn't look like a guy that has "star" as his ceiling, which limits a guy like that early in the draft.
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:04 PM ^
5 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, 3 3rd round picks and 2 4th round picks. I mean holy hell, OSU has talent oozing out of the starting line up.
I stil think 2004 Miami Hurricanes draft class is one of the best draft class ever. They had 7 1st round picks (seriously, wtf) plus 3 7th round picks. Miami produced Sean Taylor, Kellen Winslow, Jonathan Vilma, DJ Williams, Vernon Carey and Vince Wilfork as 1st round picks.
Their run from 2002-2004 are amazing and arguably the best run ever by a college team. They had 17 1st round picks in that span which is mind boggling.
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:09 PM ^
Some of the Miami and FSU classes are crazy. As were the USC and Texas draft classes when they were winning national titles. Michigan has a lot of talent, just don't think it's up to that in terms of translating to the NFL.
The big thing for Michigan is it looks like they are solid across the board and very diverse. Lots of depth most places, solid to great talent in many places and at almost every level, really makes them a dangerous team whether it translates to one of the better NFL draft classes of all time or not.
August 22nd, 2016 at 4:53 PM ^
I agree that the above is essentially a summation of best case scenarios for every player, but IRT Stribling/Clark I don't think you can argue the defensive setup will prohibit them from getting drafted at the same time that you're arguing it's about what NFL teams will want them to do. They're both 6'2 or more. Clark especially should test well in the 40. Tools are there. Stribling may or may not have NFL speed but he's a productive senior season away from being a legit late round pick.
I think there are some late round flyers on this roster due to physical potential (e.g., Clark, Hill, Thomas) or lower upside role players who have the ability to contribute immediately in a backup role (e.g., Glasgow, Gedeon, Magnuson).
August 22nd, 2016 at 7:16 PM ^
that Glasgow is going to put up some great numbers for a NT. It will take evaluators a long time to come around to them but they will by the end of the season. Martin got picked in the 3rd round on a crappy line. Imagine if he was starting on this line? I think he'd go a bit higher.
August 22nd, 2016 at 8:26 PM ^
Scouts would account for this in their evaluations. Everything is about potential, which is why there is so much emphasis on combine measureables.
Stat-wise - I think something like TFLs can get people to pay attention to an NT, but scouts are going to dig into the down-to-down effectiveness and account for context (like how often they double-teamed, combo-blocked, etc.). Ditto for CBs and INTs. The stats, especially on D, are very crude indicators of potential.