AlbanyBlue

November 9th, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

I'll take a bang.

Minny QB throws for over 300, their top receiver gets 7 targets and over 200 yards. Not gonna lie, I'm jealous of their scheme / philosophy on O. Aggressive and quick-strike. They go for it.

Glad PSU lost. Scumbag pedophile-enabling culture. 

 

 

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ScoutExile

November 9th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^

I hate to burst your bubble, but Fleck runs a similar scheme to what we ran until the 2007 season.

It was “too conservative”, “too slow”, lost to Appalachian State, and didn’t score enough points, so we all demanded a change. We weren’t unique; there were also fans at OSU were voicing the same concerns about Tressel at OSU before Terelle Pryor ended Jim’s career. The thing is, they followed Tressel with Urban Meyer, and we hired Rich Rod.

 

Our horrible coaching change aside, can we just be honest with ourselves: do we really miss Lloyd Carr offenses?

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Watching From Afar

November 9th, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^

Our horrible coaching change aside, can we just be honest with ourselves: do we really miss Lloyd Carr offenses?

Gonna say this as a I duck, but... yes? Maybe not the style, general pace, and stale running game that was zone left out of the gate every. single. game. But holy shit did they at least know who their best players were and when push came to shove said "fuck it" and gave them the ball.

You know how many receptions Michigan's top WRs got under Carr?

Edwards had 65+ receptions/season after his freshman year. Topped out at 97 his senior season. All of those in years with 12 games instead of 13. That's 5 receptions/game (on the low end) and probably another 2-3 targets on top of that. His senior year he averaged 8 receptions and probably close to 12 targets per game.

Avant, the year after Edwards left was at 82 receptions.

2006: Breaston (58), Arrington (40), Manningham (38).

2007: Manningham (72), Arrington (67), Matthews (39)

That's still loads better than DPJ (47), Collins (38), and Perry (20) from last year.

Henne averaged 370 attempts per season (not counting 2007 when he missed multiple games with injuries). His freshman 2004 season (12 games), he threw the ball 399 times! Rudock threw the ball 389 times in 2015 (13 games) and that's the closest anyone has gotten under Harbaugh.

Yes, the offense was old school, kind of slow, and very repetitive. But when they got out of their own way they bombed defenses out of existence with Edwards catching 500 balls left and right and Manningham being single covered = the ball going his way.

Collins should get the Edwards treatment. Maybe not senior Edwards treatment, but 65 receptions isn't too much to ask. The 3 leading receivers for Michigan should not all be sitting under 30 receptions (Bell - 27, Collins - 22, DPJ - 21) thus far into the season. None of them are going to eclipse 50 receptions this year. DPJ and Collins might not even hit 40.

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Watching From Afar

November 9th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

I mean, yes and no. Having giant statues that could throw a ball through a brick wall was great, but the mobility that guys like Patterson, McCaffrey, and even Milton have are welcomed additions to the QB make up.

That all being said, the addition of a QB run threat doesn't make up for the shortcomings of the offense as currently operated. I'd take a fawn-legged Tom Brady like college QB if they let him throw it all around the yard to the WRs Michigan has.

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AlbanyBlue

November 9th, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^

Carr did a better job of utilizing his talent, though he too would get way too conservative and turtle games away. 

This is why we clamored for a new coach / scheme. Now, we are back to an even more conservative style, presumably because under this staff we can't recruit / develop QBs. It's frustrating. 

One thing with the Carr teams - you generally knew you had a talent advantage on offense in the majority of games. Doesn't feel that way under Harbaugh. Thank God for the defense.

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ScoutExile

November 9th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^

Are you referring to...

 

Actually, neither. It was a completely tongue-in-cheek post.

 

I miss the Carr years. Personally, I miss going into a season and actually believing that we have a team that had a shot to win a national title. I miss winning the Big Ten.

 

None of that happens anymore because we have a few malcontent thought leaders in this fan base who don’t truly understand football. They end up repeating memes like “speed in space” or  “veer option” because it sounds like a good thing, it gains traction in Ann Arbor, and has at least a small factor on the athletic department’s decision making.

 

This blog and many others in the fan base were far too critical of Carr. Brian and the posters who are always chasing the dragon (of “offensive innovation” memes) still need to admit that they were wrong about Rich Rod, Carr, and take their lumps. It’s their first step towards them overcoming their borderline personality disorderesque relationship with Michigan football.

 

I also firmly believe that this program is one bad head coaching hire away from going the way of Nebraska, but I’ll save that hot take for another thread.

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Alumnus93

November 9th, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^

So, hiring Bob Stitt to be head coach, wouldn't have been a good idea ?   And do you mean to tell me, that Dennis Norfleet wasn't the second coming ?   So the people here shouldn't hate DeBord?

THANK YOU.  Am glad I was able to be the first to upvote your post... truly outstanding.

Am glad to know someone here can think for himself, and call out the opinion maker.  So many just parrot his stuff without any thought of their own.    Though he did nail it when he hired Hoke and said we were Notre Dame at the time.

 

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blueheron

November 9th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^

You guys can enjoy each other's company, I guess.

Carr was 1-6 against Tressel. In none of those years did I any preseason faith that they'd be in the hunt for the national championship. (Late '90s? Sure.)

Pointing out some Lloyd Carr imperfections isn't the same as parroting Brian's line.

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jabberwock

November 9th, 2019 at 6:25 PM ^

Wow.

I must have have missed the fan-as-AD survey day when we all got a vote to fire Lloyd Carr during one of our many petulant fan fever-dreams.  I also vividly remember the day Brian & I called up Rich Rod and convinced him to come to Michigan.  It was tits.

Lloyd Carr didn't try to to retire in 2006, then get talked in to staying by team leaders and Bill Martin for 1 more year .? . . . Brian and stoopid fans caused it all, then caused Jim Harbaugh to be a good-but-not-elite coach and frustrate Michigan fans today?  

Can we admire what Fleck is doing at Minny or should we just begin flogging ourselves because some people had mean thoughts at Lloyd Carr 12 years ago?

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drjaws

November 9th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

People like to rip Fleck.

But he’s a hell of a program manager.  You don’t go 13-1 at WMU and 9-0 at Minnesota without doing a ton of things very well and having great coaching 

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