Beilein removes all transfer restrictions on Doyle and Albrecht

Submitted by ypsituckyboy on

Not surprised he relented and removed restrictions on Albrecht since he's a grad transfer, but I don't think it's bad form to put reasonable restrictions on a non-grad transfer (i.e. can't transfer to another B1G school).

I wonder if this will be the new norm going forward for him.

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Ghost of Hoke

April 1st, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^

He definitely cares very much about the players. But Silverblues takes is ridiculous. He must live in Candyland where it rains chocolate and farts smell like cotton candy. Beilein is a great man and great coach but he fucked up here. He carefully considered this and made the wrong decision. People called him out for it and he folded.



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ijohnb

April 1st, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^

fairly "rosey" and I don't get this at all really.  Make the decision, stand by the decision, take the criticism, learn from the issues that lead to this point and move on.  If this was in deed an athletic department decision to "reverse course" it feels Dave Brandon-esque and is not a good sign either, IMO.

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ESNY

April 1st, 2016 at 11:08 AM ^

If the fifth year isn't promised or guaranteed, then why should Beilein have a say in where that player should go.  If you wanted him to stay, you could've given him a fifth year.  By not giving him the fifth year (which I'm totally fine with), you should forfeit any say on the matter.   It is not right to essentially kick the guy off the team and then restrict him from pursuing his dream for one more year.

ijohnb

April 1st, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

I am saying is that if the NCAA came out with a rule that a graduate transfer can only play at a team outside their conference, I don't think anybody would have a major problem with it.  It would be a reasonable limitation if applied universally and I think that his initial position was an understandable position even when applied to players he cares about.  He needed to be willing to stand by it though and withstand the criticism that was going to come at him.  Being successful is certainly not a popularity contest.  I dislike the 180 here more than I dislike the original stance.

pescadero

April 1st, 2016 at 1:41 PM ^

I am saying is that if the NCAA came out with a rule that a graduate transfer can only play at a team outside their conference

 

I would.

 

...but then, I think players should be able to transfer any time they want between seasons with no penalty at all to any school of their choice that will have them.

BigBlue02

April 1st, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^

This isn't something new Beilein just made up. Coaches restrict players from transferring in conference all the time in basketball and football. Then people complain or they challenge that restriction and he coach lifts the restriction. It happened last year with Beilfeldt but I don't remember an outcry and a news story about it. This isn't a big deal and it happens all the time

ESNY

April 1st, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

Not suggesting it is new.  I firmly believe that its unfair to refuse to keep a player on the team while at the same time restricting where he can go.  There are certainly instances where I could be convinced otherwise (if the player had an offer to stay for his fifth year) but when you give someone a firm handshake, he should be free to choose his next spot.   You didn't give him the option to stay, so why should you be able to prevent him from going somewhere of his own choosing.

Wendyk5

April 1st, 2016 at 10:18 AM ^

Mike Greenberg (on Mike and Mike this morning) absolutely skewered him after the Pat Forde article. Regardless of the Big Ten rule, it does look bad on paper, and definitely presents a PR issue. I'm glad he relented. 

Term

April 1st, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

Some facts, yes. And for the record I totally agree with him that schools shouldn't be able to decide where a kid, especially a graduate, can transfer to. They just cherry picked their facts to make it look worse then it is. See my rant later in the thread, so I don't get neg bombed for being repetitive

WindyCityBlue

April 1st, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^

Interesting...

...I wonder if he buckled under pressure.

JB got taken to task today on Mike & Mike. I know they aren't the most prolific of sports journalist, but millions of people listen to them. Bad PR for us for sure.

Glad JB came to his senses.



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The Fugitive

April 1st, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^

I mean, I don't understand why Doyle would have restrictions in the first place.  I kind of doubt he will be going to any big time D1 progams anyways.  I mean that in the nicest way possible, best of luck to him. 

 

edit:

JB shdould call in to Mike and Mike and just remind them of the shitshow going on at UNC and Syracuse.  As soon as it's brought up, ESPN would drop the call.  How can those two morans not use their brians and see the bad things that are actually going on...

funkywolve

April 1st, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^

Looked pretty promising as a freshmen.  Hard to know how much the sleep issue affected him and if so, how much that will continue to affect him in the future.  If the sleep issue was the main cause of his regression this year and he can get it under control, I could see him being a solid role player at a good bball program.

ijohnb

April 1st, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

of symptoms for sleep apnea almost completely mirror exactly all of the terms I would use to describe Doyle's regression.  Difficulty focussing, lack of energy, difficulties with hand-eye coordination.  Doyle as a second year player was SO much different than his first year that I think it is safe to say that it was probably directly related to the sleep issue.

matty blue

April 1st, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^

none.  period.  this will be completely forgotten by the time next season rolls around.

i think we can agree that beilein is not the first coach to go through this kind of 'controversy.'  i would wager that you can't name five other times it's happened, despite the fact that these stories appear every offseason.  if you CAN name five, i bet you can't tell me how there've been any lingering effects on the programs.  

go ahead, make a list and tell me how the programs or reputations have actually been harmed.  i'll wait.

 

George Pickett

April 1st, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^

The performance and recruiting of the basketball team has been aggravating.  The constant moral outrage from this fanbase over inconsequential issues is even more aggravating.  

Was anyone really upset that Spike Albrecht, a guy who most people don't know and have never talked to, was going to be slightly limited in his choice of a free masters degree?  Of course not.  But people here see it as an opportunity to channel their displeasure at the team's performance, so we get a 300-post thread ripping Beilein apart.  It's ridiculous.

BigBlue02

April 1st, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^

If he is getting a free masters, that means he is going on an athletic scholarship. If this was truly only about his post grad education, we wouldn't be worrying about where he transfers. Beilein didn't force Spike to come to him mid season and say he was retiring. We didn't hold a retirement press conference so he could play for our competitors. Do you think for one second that if Calvin Johnson decided to un-retire later this year, knowing that the lions already signed his replacement, that the Lions would be fine with him signing with the Packers with no restrictions?

Ghost of Hoke

April 1st, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^

Stu, that transfer rule is a fucking joke. I think he should let them go without restrictions. But it's completely within the rules and I'm okay with Beilien trying to enforce it. What I'm upset about is his weak back bone. The guy folds under a little bit of pressure from media. Was he ignorant enough to believe no one would be upset? This happens to coaches every year. You would think Beilein would know that and understand that he has to let them go without restrictions. Somehow his head is so far in the clouds that he missed the present day culture.



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George Pickett

April 1st, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^

Okay, so Beilein caved too quickly to pressure, and he gets some bad PR for a day or two.  Is that it?  That makes our program a mess?

We have two programs in the Final Four who blatantly cheated for years at the expense of education, and I'm supposed to care about this?

Wolverheel

April 1st, 2016 at 10:52 AM ^

Have you seen Ohio State recently? We just made it into the tourney with 2 of our best 6 players injured (including an all-American), return everyone that played, and add a top 65 point guard yet you're calling it a mess? Lots of schools would LOVE to be in our situation right now.

sarto1g

April 1st, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^

What teams would you measure our success against?  Not saying being better than OSU is the goal, but surely we can't compete against the Kansas/Duke/UNC type of school for a realistic expectation in the near future

Ghost of Hoke

April 1st, 2016 at 11:08 AM ^

How about Michigan State? The team that beats our ass every year. There's simply no reason we can't compete with them. There are lots of people on here who think Beilien is a top 5 coach. If he is as good as they say he is, we should be a top 20 program every year.



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Ghost of Hoke

April 1st, 2016 at 11:20 AM ^

The series is 26-9 in favor of MSU since 1995. We can go back and pick favorable years all day. But they've been a better program for a long time and will continue to be as long as things stay the same. I'm sorry that's so hard for you to understand.



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George Pickett

April 1st, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^

Doesn't the 26-9 stat cut directly against your argument that we should expect more from Beilein? If his performance is significantly better than the historical average, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with those numbers.