Baylor LA Tech game called off
A familiar culprit. 38 cases on one team. Hurricane didn't help.
https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1303499714432770048?s=19
September 8th, 2020 at 9:20 PM ^
'Rona, it is a helluva FLU!
September 8th, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^
How many were symptomatic?
September 8th, 2020 at 10:50 PM ^
Regardless of the answer to your question, what are you proposing? Letting LA Tech players, coaches, staff, etc travel across state lines and play a football game where dozens of players are COVID positive? Then they’ll travel back to Louisiana and rejoin the student population?
Please explain your plan.
September 9th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
So, I ask a question, you don't answer it and ask me to explain "my plan".
Are we not allowed curiosity?
Again I ask, how many are symptomatic?
Another question, how many are/were hospitalized?
We've heard about how many people have it but not about it's impact on the people who have it.
I stand with JH in that they should be allowed to play and if they don't want to they don't have to.
September 9th, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^
symptomatic has no bearing on this situation. they can still spread it without being symptomatic, so they should not be allowed to play. you don't get to choose to endanger other people. this is why we have laws...
September 9th, 2020 at 9:45 AM ^
""We've heard about how many people have it but not about it's impact on the people who have it." What? This seems to be an incredibly ignorant take.
The data on impact to individuals who test positive is ample - please feel free to research in your own time. The point here was not about the symptoms experienced by individuals who tested positives. The majority of people who contract this virus experience minimal impact to their health.
The danger with this virus is the infection rate.
Let me try to explain: You have it, but don't show symptoms. You don't even know you have it. You go about your life, and while doing so, you can infect others. Let's say you infect 10 people. None of them experience symptoms, or is hospitalized, or needs medical care. They each infect 10 people, because, again, no symptoms. This is the problem - it spreads exponentially, so even statistically small "impact", as you put it, is unacceptable.
September 9th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^
CC, my point is that is doesn’t matter how many are symptomatic / hospitalized in this situation.
Hypothetically, let’s assume 5 are symptomatic and none admitted so far. There, I answered your question.
I ask again, what are you proposing? Do you think that those 38 actively infected players should travel to Baylor and play the game on Saturday? Do you think Baylor would sign off on that? What’s your plan?
September 9th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
You guys are amazing.
I asked about the welfare of the people who get it... out of curiosity! But how dare I (someone in IT who has no medical background) ask a question out of curiosity without having a plan for anything that could come from the answer?
Now if we ask questions out of curiosity (I haven't been able to find it on google) I somehow have a take or have to have a plan before I can ask what I think is a logical question?
I don't have a plan, I'm just trying to understand what's actually happening to the people who have it and are current football players on this football message board. I'm just interested in knowing something more than a raw number and you guys jump down my throat for asking a question!
And none of who have jumped all over A QUESTION have given an ANSWER!
What an amazing lack of intellectual curiosity!
September 9th, 2020 at 5:26 PM ^
You’re asking a question that no one outside of LA Tech has an answer to. They are not releasing the details of each positive case, so we’re all in the dark.
However, every time your question is asked, it inevitably leads to the asker implying that cases don’t matter if there are no admissions and deaths. Is that what you were insinuating or not? Be honest.
Finally, in the name of intellectual curiosity, what would your plan be when a team has 38 cases the week before a game? Let’s assume they are ALL asymptomatic. Please share your thoughts if you are willing.
September 9th, 2020 at 6:37 PM ^
I don't know. If you find out on say the prior Saturday and there is a 4 day incubation period (I think that's how long it takes to test positive?) can the others be declared ready to play by Saturday? If not you can't play.
If so I think playing down 38 guys with little practice would be interesting from a football perspective. Everyone is so specialized now you'd have guys playing out of position etc. I actually think that may be fun to watch. Obviously it would never happen.
Regardless they should get to the point where they should try.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^
But of course this will be the last time this happens.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:32 PM ^
"Why would anyone spoil a perfectly good competitive advantage?"
Love,
Coach Riley
September 8th, 2020 at 11:43 PM ^
It should be noted that they were send home for the Hurricane and a bunch of them got it while off campus.
I know the schools don't care if their students get sick while at home because they're released from liability, but it's almost certain that players, in a controlled environment with frequent testing, are more safe in that environment.
September 9th, 2020 at 8:44 AM ^
I'll take the bait. I'm not sure it's almost certain players are better off in the controlled environment.
At UM, I think they're better off than at home--you're right. I would imagine the same at some other universities.
But for Oklahoma or Clemson or Auburn or Tennessee, I'm not convinced they're safer. Until you have rapid tests, you are daily coming into physical contact with at least 30+ others, who have come into contact with yet others. It only takes one or two of those to have broken team protocol or just gotten unlucky while eating with friends with a mask off to have it spread before testing can catch them. While that could also happen at UM, it hasn't, and we've seen it spread on these other teams. Maybe there are differences with respect to protocols, maybe a difference with respect to how well players follow the protocols, I don't know. But I don't think that ~1/3 of kids aged 18-22 have gotten 'Rona, like has happened for those teams.
September 9th, 2020 at 6:08 AM ^
You're absolutely ri...welp, OK State and Tula postponed.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:36 PM ^
I mean, I guess of the approach is to get everyone sick in the OOC slate so that you can play a conference one this might work. It's awful and shouldn't happen, but color me unsurprised if that turns out to be the unspoken plan.
September 8th, 2020 at 11:48 PM ^
It was LA tech that had a spike and it was because they were sent home during the hurricane. They picked it up at home. Not an intentional approach.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^
Let’s just have Ablalama play Clumsin best out of seven and every(no)one will be happy.
September 8th, 2020 at 10:46 PM ^
No Cage-ins in this? I'm not happy!
September 8th, 2020 at 10:06 PM ^
Now what's this poor guy going to do this weekend?
September 8th, 2020 at 10:23 PM ^
Clearly the Big 12 isn’t that “competitive”. Two games are already cancelled in the first week. You don’t see the SEC canceling any games because of a few dozen cases.
Or maybe the big 12 is going for heard immunity before the playoffs.
September 9th, 2020 at 2:27 AM ^
9/26 can't come soon enough!
September 9th, 2020 at 8:11 AM ^
This is the third Big 12 opening game to be cancelled (so far). TCU cancelled due to an outbreak among their own players. Oklahoma St and Baylor are sitting because their opponents had outbreaks.
The ACC had already postponed a conference game. It's unclear what standards they're using for postponements other than a school requesting it.
September 9th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
That's a really interesting question. How are the postponements/cancellations decided?
September 9th, 2020 at 6:03 AM ^
These non-conference games getting cancelled are kind of getting shrugged at. Will be very interesting to see what happens when it's a key conference game.
September 9th, 2020 at 10:37 AM ^
Do we get a post every time we get a game postponed or cancelled?
This is good, not bad. It means they are taking it seriously enough to cancel body-bag games at least when they have enough cases to warrant it.
No one said playing college football during a pandemic would be easy. In fact, it's hard. I applaud the SEC, ACC and Big 12 and the other G5 leagues who are playing football this fall for trying to do something they know is going to be hard, rather than quitting before even starting.
I would hope we would all want to teach our kids quitting before even trying is bad. Kids learn from what they see, not what you say.
September 9th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
I appreciate what you are saying, but this is not an obstacle course or a difficult chemistry class...
Maybe the thing that we should be "trying" before giving up is keeping people safe for the time being until its a little more obvious what we are all dealing with, including long term effects on asymptomatic kids.
potato potato
September 9th, 2020 at 5:53 PM ^
September 10th, 2020 at 2:04 AM ^
The question I have is, when does this all end. Does the virus just mysteriously disappear?
Do we wait for a vaccine? The flu vaccine was only 29 percent effective and I don't trust the pharmaceutical trials one bit the way they rig them to get a desired result.
The whole situation smacks of OCD and confusion. It seems like this is a war that can only be won through healthy human beings contracting the virus and overcoming it in my personal opinion.
There was a study out of Europe that said once 43 percent of people get antibodies herd immunity becomes reachable compared to 70 percent with a vaccine...And that's assuming the vaccine actually works at a wayyy higher rate than what the flu vaccine does according to the aforementioned CDC stat.
I just think that we have our priorities all wrong and the pharma companies are calling the shots; after all they spend more billions of dollars lobbying than any other industry. And I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but I don't care that's just how I feel.