Athletic’s Chiefs beat writer: Michigan zeroing in on Joe Cullen for DC

Submitted by ShoelacesFlapp… on February 7th, 2024 at 1:39 PM

Per The Athletic’s Chiefs beat writer Nate Taylor on today’s Athletic Football Show (at 24:07 in the podcast), U of M is hoping to hire Chiefs D-line coach Joe Cullen for defensive coordinator as early as today. Interesting that an NFL beat writer would single out Michigan despite other reports indicating NFL interest from the Seahawks. 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/731Mqk8NlB0wEOVP2IMtKY?si=mRavRqxVQCKXyyf8ol93MA&t=1447

GoBlue1530

February 7th, 2024 at 2:53 PM ^

I'm going to guess, based on the fact that Grant, Graham, and none of the vaunted defense has left (yet) that they weren't all doing so for free and that Michigan has come with a solid NIL package to keep them. I'm not saying they won't move on if they don't like who was hired, but I doubt they stuck around for no money (and if they did, not sure why they would leave for money unless they all really loved Elston enough to turn the bag down). 

San Diego Mick

February 7th, 2024 at 1:54 PM ^

If this is a big reason that Elston left, then I'd rather have had Elston be the DC or Co-DC with Clink.

Right now I'm so worried we're going to lose key guys on defense like Graham and Grant, please re-recruit the hell out of our all American defenders, pretty please with sugar on top. 

ShadowStorm33

February 7th, 2024 at 2:29 PM ^

I have to believe that if he desired a DC role, he would've had it by now.

I feel like I remember hearing that being passed over for the DC job at ND when Freeman became HC was the final straw that led him to come here. Elston seems like he would have been the obvious choice on staff, and yet Freeman hired Al Golden to be the DC instead. It's not like Golden was some slam dunk hire. He hadn't been a DC in 16 years (granted 10 of those years were as a HC), and had been bouncing around NFL position coach jobs since getting fired as HC of Miami.

So I come at it from a different angle, i.e. why was Elston passed over, potentially multiple times? He was a co-DC for one year under Kelly (demoted back to position coach the next year), and Kelly never again elevated him to DC, despite Elston following Kelly from CMU to Cinci to ND. And Freeman preferred to grab what feels like a random retread instead of promoting him. Honestly I'd be a little worried hiring him. It would feel like kind of a panic move, particularly since Kelly and then Freeman didn't see enough in nearly 20 years to give him that job...

schreibee

February 7th, 2024 at 2:52 PM ^

Sorry old man, but I think I need to re-context your post a bit:

It's not that Elston hasn't "desired" a DC position - word was he left ND for M because he was twice passed over for the role. And he is being passed over again at Michigan. 

No, the more accurate way to put this is, after 20 years if he deserved a DC role he'd have gotten one by now.

 

lhglrkwg

February 7th, 2024 at 2:24 PM ^

He seems pretty reputable on this. Skimming thru some comments of his I missed

Ben wanted 10 years at S&C, would have settled for 7 and a 10% pay increase. Warde didn’t want to do either. I think if he had offered even an extra year from his last extension and a 10-15% increase Ben would have stuck around.

Man I hope thats not true. Would be a massive, massive blunder by Warde over peanuts

AlbanyBlue

February 7th, 2024 at 3:26 PM ^

That's the issue with Warde as I see it. It's not "peanuts" to him, it's a reduction in another line item in the budget that will make whatever summary report better.

My warm take is that Warde is most primarily concerned with the AD as a whole making a profit. If he can save a million bucks on football coaches, he's going to do that, because it's just a line item to him.

My hotter take is that Warde doesn't see football as meaning much more than women's rowing. He just assumes it will be a profit driver for the AD and doesn't see it as religion like they do at OSU, Georgia, etc.

Warde is the ultimate admin puke, and to get things the way he wanted for football, Jim had to be uber-assertive. This quite likely damaged Warde's ego and was the source of the friction that was almost certainly there.

lhglrkwg

February 7th, 2024 at 3:40 PM ^

If Warde is really penny pinching like that then it's peak dumb MBA brain. Assuming you can keep the gravy train rolling and neglect / cost cut the things that got you that gravy train along the way. Then Warde will be in some other job in ten years and his successor will have to clean up the mess he created

AlbanyBlue

February 7th, 2024 at 6:24 PM ^

I agree. He probably thinks that the gravy train rolls just fine at 9-3/8-4. Without Jim pushing him to spend, maybe he figures he can do it this way.

Admittedly, this is speculation, but he sure makes it seem like he doesn't care any more about football than he does about men's tennis. And he cares about the budget more than both of those.

Brodie

February 7th, 2024 at 1:55 PM ^

Cullen seems like a good hire. We can all joke about the Wendy's but it sounds like he got sober and turned his life around to become a Super Bowl champion coach and an NFL DC (albeit under Urban in J'ville which lol). Seems like a way better bet than Wink, who people hate. 

mGrowOld

February 7th, 2024 at 2:22 PM ^

Exactly right.

I mean who among can honestly say they havent had a few too many, stripped buck-naked and gone out for a delicious Wendy's double, large fries and a Diet Coke?  Or gotten loaded and needed to sleep it off in a cozy plastic booth while enjoying a Subway footlong with all the toppings (toasted of course).  It's almost a right of passage in some circles.

I know I cannot cast that first stone.

GeneFunk

February 7th, 2024 at 2:05 PM ^

If a defensive NFL guy wants to come here for a couple of years and build their resume as full time play callers and we get the benefit by having a pass defense scheme that is complex enough to slow down the Ohio State's and Washington's of the world, I'm all for it.

WallyWallace

February 7th, 2024 at 2:16 PM ^

Cullen aside, who seems like a good schematic fit, to me it doesn't seem like we're  hiring at a U of M , National Championship , world class university level.

Campbell as OC and some of the other hires/promotions seem like hires that middle or lower tier Big Ten teams would do. Maybe it's tight purse strings budget or the potential NCAA riff raff, but we should have our pick of assistants,  or head coaches who want to come here as the OC  or DC or other staff positions. I.e. for OC, Moorhead, Jason Candle, Tom Herman (ducks), Josh McDaniel (duck) and others. 

G. Gulo of the Dale

February 7th, 2024 at 2:28 PM ^

He mentioned one person:  Sterling Lucas, who would be coaching linebackers.  Lucas currently coaches outside linebackers at South Carolina, where he's coached for two years and has punched above his/their weight class on the recruiting trail, luring in some good recruits, including two five stars.  Lucas is a NC St. grad who had stints coaching in the NFL before landing at USC (not that USC). 

lhglrkwg

February 7th, 2024 at 2:25 PM ^

I don't know if I love Cullen, but I sure as hell want him more than Wink. Some of the football brains I follow and trust on twitter are sounding alarm bells on Wink