Apparently Sparty is done hearing about Nassar. Makes 900 page Federal Court filing claiming all pending cases against them should be dismissed.
Disgusting is as disgusting does.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2019/08/27/msu-we-arent-liable-nassars-crimes/2124944001/
August 27th, 2019 at 10:58 AM ^
"survivors"
Larry Nassar was a pretty twisted creepy guy, but using a term like that makes him seem like a mass murderer. Just to keep things in perspective, this guy touched a bunch of Vaginas.
Insensitive, ignorant shitbird. Survivor is a common term for anyone who has been affected by sexual assault of any kind. It's a way to take a sliver of something positive and strong, and be defined by the self rather than the other. The term's use is not unique to this case, and you clearly demonstrate your lack of empathy for the emotional trauma any of those survivors went through.
August 27th, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
Watching someone double, and even triple, down after an incredibly dumb comment is always interesting.
August 27th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^
I'd like to say much worse, but you would benefit greatly from trying to gain some perspective on this incident, and demonstrating a shred of empathy. Being a digital apologist for one of the most prolific sexual abusers of our time is at best disingenuous and at worst an appalling indictment of your character.
August 27th, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^
This whole mini thread is frustrating. This has turned into a clear example of pile on mentality where everyone is trying to show how great a person they are by tearing down someone else. Goblue464 is wrong in his take IMO, as it seems most everyone else agrees on. His doubling and tripling down on it isn't helping, but can we be real about what he said? He at no point was a digital apologist for a sex abuser. His issue was with people calling themselves survivors. He was factual in his statement about Nassar not killing anyone. His phrasing was very insensitive to what happened but there was no apologizing or attempting to condone anything Nassar did. I read all the time on this board about the Michigan difference, but we sure aren't showing it here. One person and their unfortunate comment has led a group of people to show just how similar we are to those we like to mock.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^
I get what you're saying. You're not wrong. But I don't know if you want to take that stand in this guy's corner.
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August 27th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^
I'm sorry if you think I'm defending him. I am not in his corner in the slightest. I am aiming to critique the rest of the community here. In my view we are better than this. That shouldn't change for anyone, even this person
August 27th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^
(deleted) Nevermind. You're making this a bigger mess than it already was.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:01 PM ^
I guess I'm obtuse here. Can you enlighten me how I am the problem? I'm not asking in a mocking manner. I am genuinely confused.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:17 PM ^
Basically human decency requires that one not offer support, including the oblique support you gave, to the series of comments fired out by 456. No one here is really trying to stake moral high ground. So your stance is confusing and doesn't have much value.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^
Thank you for responding and clarifying that. I am sorry that there are those of you who feel I was supporting 464 and therefore lack human decency. My comments weren't intended to really be about that person at all. I was trying to critique the outrage mob, as I thought we were better than that. I felt a lot of people were bashing things that weren't said or putting their own emotions into it. If my articulation of that was poor and came across as support then my bad. I will now go look for my lost decency
August 28th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^
You two are as bad as my nine year old. Takes everything completely literally and just annoys the piss out of everyone without adding anything worthwhile to the conversation. You could drag his ass out of the street and yell "pay attention! You almost got hit by a car!"
"Um, ackshually dad, it was an SUV."
August 27th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
He at no point was a digital apologist for a sex abuser.
So we have a taxonomy of trauma now. Murder >>> sex abuse victim? By what twisted, sick, piece of logic did you pull out of your ass that a sex abuse victim is not a survivor?
His issue was with people calling themselves survivors.
I'm the most anti-SJW person in here... and your takes are just as bad as Goblue464's
He was factual in his statement about Nassar not killing anyone.
So I guess we should give Nassar a medal now, huh? Hey Larry, you stole the innocence from 150 young women. But at least you didn't kill anyone. Way to fucking go Larry!!!
I read all the time on this board about the Michigan difference
Then your reading comprehension sucks and you have zero idea what the Michigan difference is. Here's a hint: it's not what you're doing right now.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^
I think you might be attributing things to me that I didn't say. I have never said that sex abuse victim is not a survivor. I never expressed a take about people calling themselves survivors. I will now though, I don't have a problem with it. People go through what those women went through and they can call themselves whatever helps them deal with it. Your rant on giving Nassar a medal is beyond me. I don't know how me pointing out something in the posters original statement that was factual but being characterized differently in replies means I want to give Nassar a medal. You're doing to me what I was ashamed at everyone for doing to him. Maybe my reading comprehension does suck, but in my singular world view, the Michigan difference isn't about people turning into and outrage mob and forgetting how to have discussions.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^
If he wants to disagree with the board on the definition of survivors, that is fine. He can take his negs and move on. But yea, let's be real about what he said because we are talking about a bunch of kids getting raped. He so eloquently puts it in terms of a bunch of vaginas got touched, big deal, quit playing the victim and get over it. And your comment glosses right over that with the word insensitive. And Goblue464 is doubling and tripling down on his horrible take. The board should pile on and bury him.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^
You are right, the board should bury that take. My post was not meant to be about his, but the reactions. Burying him is one thing, turning into the comment section on mlive is another. People are attributing things to him he didn't say and then bashing him for it, or her as I don't know who that poster is. THere are even those saying even more vile things than what the original person said. I agree with everything you said about his take on that situation. They made light of something that was horrible in a very crass and insensitive way with the vagina touching comment. Telling people who went through a horrible situation they can't be survivors because nobody died is also dumb as hell. Say as much, but don't make shit up. There was enough there in the first place.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:04 PM ^
Listen, I think you did a fine thing admonishing the person who told the 464 he should be aborted. I feel confident my approach was as diplomatic as I could make it. If you think
"Just to keep things in perspective, this guy touched a bunch of Vaginas."
isn't an effort to downplay or even excuse Nassar's actions, then we have a fundamental disagreement.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:17 PM ^
Personally, I don't think he was trying to excuse him but I agree with the rest. I got the impression he was trying to be dismissive and flippant to make his point. It was a stupid point and he should feel shame for it. I could be wrong and you could be right and he was excusing it, that just isn't how I took it. My reply to you wasn't just directed at your comment, more of a critique of the replies as a whole. I'm sorry for not clarifying that and making you feel like it was all about you.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
I'm predisposed to thinking it's all about me.
August 27th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
@goblue46
Nassar abused minors. He didn't "touch a bunch of vaginas".
Try to be a better human going forward, probable Sparty troll.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^
When one murders, you're simply stopping a heart beat and a life. I don't see why everyone dwells on murder so much.
Robbing a bank is simply acquiring some funds that aren't yours. How bad is that really?
Let's keep things in perspective, if MSU wins, who cares about some definition SCUM throws at us.
Never pay for a crime SOMEONE ELSE witnessed.
(I hope this isn't necessary, but this was heavy on the /s)
August 27th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^
You are pure evil yourself I see.... I HOPE you feel like the turd you are but lets be honest, you dont and that why you are you and MSU is MSU.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:26 AM ^
Where are the supervisors ?
August 27th, 2019 at 2:10 PM ^
I think we found one in the....uh.....discussion right above this.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:26 AM ^
I feel like i've seen this same article and title over the past few months.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:28 AM ^
Fuck people that file 900 page documents in court. Figure out how to say it in 50 or less so I don't have to spend my entire goddamn day reading your bullshit.
Also fuck MSU.
August 27th, 2019 at 11:22 AM ^
Did they include all the pages in the phone book of people who haven't accused MSU staff or athletes of rape?
August 27th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
No, just the ones that have.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:39 AM ^
Poor MSU. I guess they're the real victims here.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:49 AM ^
Meatheads.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:10 AM ^
It's only disgusting if it works. I dont blame them for trying to get out from the legal liability and financial damages those 900 pending lawsuits will surely bring. Shit, any attorney worth a damn would be remiss to not at least try and throw a legal "hail mary" in hopes that they can end these before they begin.
If granted blame the judge and the judicial system for allowing them to crawl through whatever legal loophole exists that they found, not MSU for taking advantage of it.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^
I don't think this is one of those things where you can just choose an arbitrary time to wring your hands and shout, "Well, glad we're finished with that then."
No, this definitely is not one of those times....
August 27th, 2019 at 9:18 AM ^
Pretend MSU is a couch and douse the damn place with gasoline.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:21 AM ^
"none of the Nassar survivors who are suing made reports to the right person at MSU"
So there are people at the University who are allowed to do fuck-all when they're alerted to a rape allegation because they're not the "designated rape allegation handler"???
"Plaintiffs also have not alleged that MSU did anything to create or increase the danger, other than allowing Nassar continued contact with patients and opportunities for abuse"
Oh ok. You only kept feeding him victims. No big deal then ya dickheads.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:43 AM ^
That last quote blew my mind.
"We didn't actively do anything to make the situation worse... other than, you know, not do anything at all which allowed him to continue to assault women."
Just, revoke that guy's law license.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
I read this and substituted Sandusky and PSU. Also note they can't make the same defense in the most recent lawsuit alleging sexual assauts by basketball players.
PSU could make the exact same arguments. One common thread is the elusive right person to report crimes to. Unless an institution is actively trying to enable and/or cover up assaults, it shouldn't much matter which employee they reported them to. Those complaints should always be forwarded to the "right" person.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^
The Steelers have bye week 10/20. How about we ask if Devin can go to East Landfill and dig some more at mid-field that week.
August 27th, 2019 at 1:55 PM ^
I was there earlier this month!
For a middle-of-the-nowhere big hole in the ground, and despite the $18 (!!) cost of entry, it was actually interesting and worth the side trip.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^
I thought the new administration was going to handle the situation appropriately. Guess not.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:33 AM ^
This is why Izzo and Dantini are not sweating. Staee has the same attitude toward the sexual assaults committed by basketball and football players. Izzo and Dantini know they will never be fired. Burn that whole place to the ground.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^
For example, this: despite a very graphic video of Mateen Cleaves dragging his alleged victim not once but twice back into a motel room, and despite witnesses describing in detail the desperate pleas for help by said victim, Cleaves was found not guilty last week of several charges including rape.
Tom Izzo had a front row seat during the trial. In full view of the jury.
Shameful but true. Blatantly shameful.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:59 AM ^
There's a new class being taught at the MSU Law School by a Music Professor called Tone Deaf 101.
August 27th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^
By far the most galling claim to me: The Tomashow hearing in 2014 wasn't sufficient notice that there was a problem re Nassar. I mean they imposed work restriction (which they didn't enforce) so they knew something was wrong.
I realize lawyers have a job to do, but the fact that they make such a spurious argument should be grounds to take professional action against whoever is thick enough to introduce that in court.
From a public policy perspective, intentional ignorance and active suppression of reporting multiple felonies with 10+ year penalties should invalidate any state immunity or statute of limitations protections. Not saying they do now, but they should not in the future.
August 27th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
What is it with people in power thinking that their terrible behavior should just be ignored?
Oh, yes, it's because they've gotten away with it. For, like, ever.
August 27th, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^
Sparty=done done
Sparty=dum dum
August 27th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
The only appropriate action for all alumni is to surrender their degrees and renounce the university, for all students to resign, and for the university to be shut down. How anyone affiliated with the university look a survivor in the eye when they know they themselves are complicit in these rapes? Sickening- thank goodness such a thing could never happe here.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
I have three daughters. No freaking way I would let any of them attend an environment like this where my child health/safety is so brazenly devalued and disrespected. Rivalry aside, the school has done everything it can to limit my family's trust in this organization's leadership and commitment to empowering the lives of those who attend. As the OP indicates (correctly), disgusting is as disgusting does.
Wake up, MSU. Pay your money with contrition. And take transparent steps to get your house in order.
August 27th, 2019 at 5:18 PM ^
Sparty gonna spart.