Apparently, the NCAA has already received a response from MSU about Nassar

Submitted by jbrandimore on

I know there is already an Engler thread just below this. If the mods wish to combine these, I have no objection.

However, I do think the MSU response to the NCAA may merit it's own thread.

As usual, MSU has gone full cocoon and will not release either the letter of inquiry from the NCAA nor their response.

It is known that the NCAA expected MSU to at least self report some secondary violations about the Nassar situation, and as far as anyone knows they have failed to do so.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_state_responde…

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Steeveebr

April 18th, 2018 at 6:24 PM ^

They have responded to the NCAA.  Perhaps they said the moon is made of cheese or perhaps they said Nassar is just a scape goat and Sparty himself was the real deviant.  No one knows, but the point is that the way it's worded it implies that their current report does not self report.  You can caveat that with a far as anyone knows, but no one knows anything about their current report. 

I was certainly dissappointed reading the article after having read the OP's post.

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jbrandimore

April 18th, 2018 at 10:02 PM ^

There are two basic possibilities. 1. The admitted some level of violations 2. They denied any violations Now, with their stated goal of becoming transparent, I do not think it is a logical leap of any distance to say that if the NCAA response admitted some level of violations, the MSU administration would have released the response. They did not release it. That’s a fact. If someone had speculated that the NCAAs question had been responded to, that would be an assertion without evidence. As we know that a response was issued, the situation changes entirely.

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NRK

April 18th, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^

I’m not going to belabor the point, so this is the last I’ll say about this line of reasoning: You are using something about which we don’t have information (what was contained in MSU’s response) as evidence/support for the position that MSU hasnt self reported violations. This is a textbook case of argument from ignorance. We literally don’t know what was in MSUs report. So, you add in a dubious assumption (that MSU would publically release admitted violations in the name of “transparency”) based on that unknown to draw a conclusion that MSU failed to self report. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Maybe MSU didn’t self report those violations that the Luck letter mentioned, maybe they did. Even your own article says that MSU spokespeople declined to answer that question. We’ll find out soon enough through open records requests.

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Section 1.8

April 19th, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^

Should the NCAA hand down a "death penalty" sanction on the women's gymnastics program?

Assuming, arguendo, that basketball and football did nothing wrong, would anybody expect sanctions to be handed down on those programs?

I realize that football and basketball at MSU are skeezy; maybe basketball even worse than football.  And as we know, Title IX proceedings are nothing like legal proceedings.  They can make it up as they go along in a Title IX proceeding.  (Alternatively, Title IX can produce absolutely nothing as perhaps the MSU example tells us; maybe this will end up being yet another "Title IX is garbage" story in a way that is 180 degrees reversed from a case like Brendan Gibbons' case at Michigan.)

But back to the NCAA; I am fine if a good investigation shows some bad administration within MSU basketball and football and sanctions are handed down as a direct result.

But does anybody expect MSU football, or basketabll, (or baseballsoftballswimmingsoccerlacrossehockeyfieldhockey) to be penalized, for Nassar?

 

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NittanyFan

April 19th, 2018 at 5:49 PM ^

is absolutely on the table.  And that would hit MSU pretty hard.

That's what MSU doesn't want to happen.  That's why they appear willing to fight the NCAA. 

Nobody would blink an eye if gymnastics got hit with a death penalty.  They'd blink at an 8-figure-fine though.

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