3 MSU football players and a staff member suspended in sexual assualt investigation
Link: http://cabs.msu.edu/news/key-issues/issue-docs/football-investigation.h…
No names of players announced yet. Please keep it civil. Thoughts with the victim/victims.
[Ed-Ace: Locked the thread. The OP is fine. The sexual assault allegations are not a joking matter, however, and much of what was in the comments crossed that line. That is not rivalry trolling material. This thread also somehow descended into a political thing.]
February 9th, 2017 at 6:09 PM ^
but so is the scoreboard. Furman? Really??...that close in the 2nd half. Sad!
February 9th, 2017 at 6:00 PM ^
Obviously this is awful. But its pretty funny that these fucking second-rate losers can't even recruit "character" anymore (as if they've ever had character)...
Where's the threat? The criminal justice system Mark. That's the fucking threat.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:49 PM ^
I'm sure the alleged victim is thrilled that her tragedy is being reduced to barbs of a shit-talking sports rivalry in some corners. Get a fucking life, dude.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^
If you are a player who is set to enroll in the fall, especially one likely to redshirt, you might say oops I made a mistake. Do the normal transfer rules apply or can he just go anywhere he wants if he never attended a class?
February 9th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^
If you've signed a letter of intent, you're a member of the program. I'm pretty sure switching schools would count as a transfer.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:01 PM ^
My understanding is until you enroll the NCAA doesn't count it. Seantrell Henderson signed a LOI with USC but got a release from them and enrolled at Miami, playing as a true freshman. The difficulty that MSU recruits face is the LOI is a binding contract, they would need a release from MSU before they can play at another FBS school.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 6:08 PM ^
Normal transfer rules apply, once they sign the LOI. This question came up when OSU waited to inform Weber that the coach recruiting him was leaving, until after he signed. If he changed his mind, he'd have to sit out a year.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:57 PM ^
Eddie Vanderdoes won an appeal to the NCAA a few years ago. He signed an LOI to ND and decided he wanted to stay closer to home. I think they are going to be more lenient in the future too. It will depend on the player having a good reason and the school he's leaving cooperating. Weber had one, probably more so than any of the MSU commits.
One other difference from normal transfer rules is that the Big Ten rule regarding intra-conference transfers doesn't apply. So no loss of a year's eligibility.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:11 PM ^
Unless ncaa grants waiver like the Baylor case.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:27 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 6:07 PM ^
The journalists that cover MSU athletics should just be embarrassed. MSU fans talk about the "Blue Wall" of Detroit media that is biased against them, but time and again, we see stories like this that they consistently miss while Lynn Henning writes this beauty of a column before Signing Day:
Speaking of Signing Day, how convenient of MSU to release this along with the Demetrius Cooper spitting story after the LOIs were signed.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:20 PM ^
He's like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers of journalism. He did something that was kind of good like 20 years ago and has been projectile vomiting filth all over anyone in the Detroit area ever since.
February 9th, 2017 at 8:36 PM ^
February 10th, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^
Keep DangerMouse away from "rock bands".
Do not like this new RHCP record.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:12 PM ^
Real Colors Maize Blue
This is bad news surrounding the program and I don't think Cooper faced any penalties after spitting on the ticket cop...Les miles to MSU
February 9th, 2017 at 6:14 PM ^
I do not believe signing a letter of intent is a legal binding contract to attend that school and play football...enrolling at the school is different...so i think those can be broken and probably will.
With regard to the school releasing names, protection falls under FERPA and does not allow them to release those names. However a FOIA request with the local courts will happen very soon to have that information released.
If guilty, i hope they get the maximum punishment.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:18 PM ^
FERPA should not cover the staff member though? Unless he was a grad assistant?
February 9th, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^
FERPA doesn't necessarily cover "directory information" which would include names.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:17 PM ^
Saying that a specific student was involved in a specific incident is not directory information just because it involves revealing a name.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:31 PM ^
I was interested in these rumors when it was "rumors of guys suspended" and little else, because it's football and we like seeing our rivals do poorly in it.
But I find this impossible to think of in any way other than tragedy. Nothing to enjoy here--there is a serious crime alleged and either there is a victim who has been hurt or there are guys whose names are being dragged through the mud unfairly. Or both.
Honestly, I have no reason to dance on the graves of MSU here. We may gripe about other stuff they've sluffed on before (Michigan's hands aren't exactly pristine here after the way DB and Hoke handled the Gibbons situation) but if they are doing it right it strikes me as very classless to find an excuse not to credit them for it.
Taking cheap shots is fine on rivalry terms, but this is not a rivalry issue. This is real life. And in real life if MSU is proactively investigating and addressing the situation they deserve full credit for that.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:38 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 6:48 PM ^
I have written a couple of posts along the same lines since yesterday but this post is much better expressed than mine.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:04 PM ^
Yeah. This goes beyond petty rivalries with other schools. If true, these are lives been irreparably harmed by others and far transcends whatever happens on the field.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:12 PM ^
I agree with absolutely everything you said here...except the part about dancing on the MSU graves.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:21 PM ^
This is the definitive post on the issue.
February 9th, 2017 at 6:43 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 6:44 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 7:02 PM ^
There is really nothing else I can add. This is terrible and needs to stop. Can't people just treat each other appropriately.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:10 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 7:20 PM ^
It's 1 in 5 nationally if you believe the federal statistics.
February 9th, 2017 at 7:23 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 7:28 PM ^
Depends on which study you look at. The DoJ (I think?) had a study that debunked a lot of the 1 in 4/5 "statistics" you see floating around on social media.
Many of these "studies" use very broad interpretations of what sexual assault is.
February 9th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^
Got it. Still buy it's disturbingly high nationwide though.
February 9th, 2017 at 9:13 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 11:40 PM ^
Why do you say that?
As the parent of 2 band kids (including one in the MMB), I've heard tales aplenty of hookup stories in interesting situations, but so far nothing beyond mild harrassment at worst. Most of the intense drama tends to be non-sexual in nature. I'm not sure where you're getting this from.
February 9th, 2017 at 9:41 PM ^
5 out 5 women nationally are sexaully assualted.
February 9th, 2017 at 9:44 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 7:22 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^
Didn't Dantoni recently have opportunities of going to schools like Texas, USC, and USC?
Staying with MSU over those schools is like staying with your highschool sweetheart when you have a chance at a supermodel, only to have the hs sweetheart turn into a meth addict, cheat on you, steal all your money, and give you herpes.
Moral of the story, things can always sour. Better to screw up at Texas than MSU.
February 9th, 2017 at 8:30 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 8:39 PM ^
February 9th, 2017 at 8:56 PM ^
I'm sure the MSU beat writers will get to the bottom of this in no time at all.
February 9th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^
proven guilty. Funny how that's overlooked time and time again.
February 9th, 2017 at 9:23 PM ^