247 composite: #5 Overall, #4 in sight (for 2016)

Submitted by GoBlue on

The addition of Shea Patterson would bump Michigan's total points on the 247 composite for the 2016 class to 290.95, good for 4th place (just above OSU).

If/when Deontay Anderson is in the fold, the resulting score of 296.62 would have been good for the 2nd overall spot in the rankings, behind only Alabama.

2016 Football Recruiting Composite Team Rankings

2016 Michigan Football Class Calculator (link to commit list which doesn't include Patterson & Anderson)

(For those who are interested, removing those two players from Ole Miss' class drops them from #5 to #12)

Edit: Thanks to StayingPositive/reddogrjw who pointed out that in this exercise, Asiasi & others (Davis, D. Johnson, N, Johnson, Davis) should be removed too. (Left Hawkins as he's still on the team & as many of you have been quick to point out, this means nothing in the real world anyway))

The resulting totals are 284.78 & 291.29, which would be good for 5th and 4th place, respectively.

I'm not trying to "prove" anything here, just looking at a general gauge of blue-chip talent, as FatGuyTouchdown observed.

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TrueBlue2003

December 11th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^

If you remove our guys that have left the class, then you'd have to remove the guys that left from other teams too.  Attrition to some extent happens everywhere.

It's probably more indicative of relative class quality to not take them out under the assumption of "standard" attrition from all the other schools.

While the actual retroactive rank doesn't really matter, there is something to be said about having a huge number of guys in a given class because when that class is in its third or fourth year, it bodes well for the team.  We saw that last year (and to a lesser extent 2015).  And we saw the inverse this year.

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Realus

December 12th, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

The other "normalizing" factor would have to be which transfers other teams have added.

So this is an approximation but still intereresting (to me).  It also tells us that the top classes are much higher than us than we would like to think.

Luckily, given the average playoff teams' recruiting rankings, it probably doesn't matter that much.

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Realus

December 12th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^

The other "normalizing" factor would have to be which transfers other teams have added.

So this is an approximation but still intereresting (to me).  It also tells us that the top classes are much higher than us than we would like to think.

Luckily, given the average playoff teams' recruiting rankings, it probably doesn't matter that much.

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Ecky Pting

December 11th, 2017 at 4:11 PM ^

In all fairness, unless the 2016 class had spots left unfilled (which I don't think was the case), in order to add the two players to the 2016 class two other players would need to be dropped. Most likely the dropped players would be at the same position, particularly regarding QB, which would mean swapping Peters for Patterson.

That said, M still gets both because ostensibly Patterson will count toward the 2018 class, so it would be more appropriate to add Patterson's 2016 rating to the 2018 class, but I don't think 247 allows for that, and who knows what the hell the formula is that they use?!

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Blue_Goose

December 11th, 2017 at 4:34 PM ^

I'm logging in to up vote.

Stay Classy didn't stay classy

Bamf came to defend

Michigan started whining when something good actually broke in our favor (typical of little brother)

Hopefully we can get this corrected once we are no longer in shock!

GoBlue!!

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JetFuelForBreakfast

December 11th, 2017 at 6:28 PM ^

...and others that this thread went weird...lost in some inter-dimensional place where we can't figure out if we're gnashing our teeth at insufficient stars in 2018 or deriding the importance of adding what were regarded as high star caliber skills in the 2016 class to bolster depth (at a minimum) or to push, compete with or overtake the current leaders in each position group. There seems to some small degree of credence to the theory that Good Coaching (ala Saban the Evil) plus Good Recruiting (ala Alabama the Evil averaging a recruiting rank of 1.25) help your chances of winning. Doesn't seem like that tough of a question as to whether you want your 3 deep at QB to include a RS Soph, RS Frosh and true Frosh (with only 4 games total experience), or add a highly valued (by our coaches) SEC game-tested QB with 2:1 TD:INT ratio, and WR and Safety (a struggle at times this year.) I also didn't interpret GoBlue as doing anything more than reassessing the quality of the 2016 class, which is inarguably relevant, as it speaks to the depth of that class of students...adding 3 students and dropping 6 for actual attrition, while still moving up 4 spots into the Top 5 "evals" of those classes at that time still tells a story (admittedly and inarguably imperfect.) Our coaches like the skillsets of these kids right now better than the potential of some of the schollies they'd otherwise be putting toward 2018's, or possibly some current in-house 5th years that might not be back this year or next. The actual classes that JH and company have had time to recruit and assess have proven to identify both hidden raw talents and bright young athletic monsters like Gary. There's many sharp people on this site, and sometimes some in the group seem to get sidetracked telling you how to build a clock when you ask what time it is (or over analyzing their navel)...but that's MICHIGAN. Go Blue!!! 〽️

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Blusqualo

December 11th, 2017 at 11:23 PM ^

Would these additions then also modify our projected stats for this year, so that means we beat MSU and OSU and Wisky in the rematch? So we are now playing Clemson in the playoff?

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uminks

December 12th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

Should affect previous class rankings! For instance when Rudock transferred here and did a great job, he would have only been a 3 star and may have dropped the class score the.year he was recruited.

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