Handicapping the Playoff Race

Submitted by oakapple on November 28th, 2023 at 3:28 PM

The final year of the four-team playoff could be the most chaotic. There are eight teams with a realistic chance of being selected — the most ever at this date, according to Stewart Mandel of The Athletic. There’s the potential for four undefeated teams to make it, which also has never happened.

Seven of the eight teams will be in action this weekend (bolded below):

  • B10: Michigan (12-0) vs. Iowa (10-2). Michigan favored by 23½
  • SEC: Georgia (12-0) vs. Alabama (11-1). Georgia favored by 5½
  • ACC: Florida State (12-0) vs. Louisville (10-2). FSU favored by 2½
  • B12: Texas (11-1) vs. Oklahoma State (9-3). Texas favored by 14½
  • P12: Washington (12-0) vs. Oregon (11-1). Oregon favored by 9½

The eighth is Ohio State, which needs help but could back into the playoff in some scenarios, as they did last year despite losing to Michigan.

This assumes that the committee would not choose a two-loss team, which it has never done. Every permutation of results this week would still leave at least four undefeated and/or one-loss teams.

There are 32 possible outcomes of the five Power Five conference championship games. Mandel generously assumed that there’s no way Michigan could lose, which reduces the number of permutations to 16. We all love to hear that, but nobody should treat any game as “unlosable.” Michigan fans know this better than anyone. Iowa is a 23½-point underdog, but huge underdogs win sometimes.

But if we assume Michigan is a given, then we only need to look at the 16 combinations of results in the other games, which can be summarized as follows:

1) Georgia, Washington, and Florida State are in if they win. They'd be 13-0 conference champs, and the committee has never snubbed an undefeated Power Five team.

2) Oregon is in at 12-1 if it defeats Washington. Oregon is a 9½-point favorite, despite Washington being the undefeated team that already beat them. Oregon is currently ranked ahead of Texas, and it’s facing a stiffer test in its championship game. So it stands to reason that Oregon will be chosen if it comes down to them and Texas.

3) This means that Texas’s best path is to defeat Oklahoma State and hope Louisville defeats Florida State, assuming the other favorites win.

4) Mandel thinks Ohio State’s only path is if Florida State, Oregon, and Texas lose. The Ducks and Longhorns would be eliminated with a second loss. Florida State would have one loss, but the Seminoles have been very shaky since starting QB Jordan Travis went down — and the committee is allowed to consider injury status in its rankings. OSU would have wins over very good Penn State and Notre Dame teams, plus a nail-biting loss to Michigan.

5) But what if Florida State, Washington, and Texas lose? Mandel thinks the committee would take Washington at 12-1 over Ohio State, as the Huskies would have the better resume, with regular-season wins over Oregon, USC, Utah, and Oregon State. Expect furious lobbying by the Buckeye faithful should that happen.

6) If Alabama beats Georgia, there is almost no way Ohio State could get in, because the Bulldogs will surely be ranked ahead of the Buckeyes if any non-champ is going to be picked.

7) Among permutations where Alabama wins, the most interesting is if Texas and Florida State also win. This means those two teams and the Oregon/Washington winner take the three slots for sure. The committee would then need to choose between: A) Texas, which already beat Alabama at home; or B) Alabama, which would’ve defeated the two-time defending champ, Georgia. Leaving the SEC out of the playoff in the final year of the four-team format would be the ultimate laugh-out-loud moment. But Mandel assumes the committee would pick Alabama despite their loss to Texas.

8) If Alabama wins and either Texas or Florida State lose, then it opens the door for Georgia as the second SEC team.

Let's talk seeding. In every scenario, Mandel assumes that Georgia is the #1 seed and Michigan the #2 if both win. He’s got the Pac-12 champ as the #3 seed every time, which says that with a win over Iowa, Michigan is likely to face the Pac-12 champ in the Rose Bowl. It almost seems like the old days. If Alabama and Michigan win, then Michigan gets the #1 seed and faces—well, there are too many scenarios to say for sure.

Suppose Iowa wins? Michigan would not be eliminated from playoff contention, but it would need help:

A) If Georgia, Florida State, and Texas win, they join the Pac-12 champ, and the Big Ten would be frozen out of the playoff.

B) If Alabama beats Georgia, the Bulldogs at 12-1 would surely have priority over the Wolverines at 12-1, if any non-champ is going to get in.

C) If Oregon beats Washington, the Huskies at 12-1 probably would have priority over the Wolverines at 12-1 based on strength of schedule.

D) The Wolverines would likely have priority over FSU at 12-1 and would definitely have it over Texas at 11-2.

So, Michigan (should it lose to Iowa) would be rooting for Georgia, Washington, and one of Louisville and/or Oklahoma State.

Lastly, if Georgia, Washington, Louisville, and Oklahoma State ALL win, then both Michigan and Ohio State would qualify, as they’d be the only one-loss teams left.

I favored expanding the playoff to 12 starting next year. But expansion means we will never again have stakes quite like these. In a 12-team format, every one of the eight teams discussed above would be playoff shoo-ins. There would still be drama over seeding and the 9th through 12th teams, but these eight would have nothing to worry about.

Comments

Amazinblu

November 28th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^

I like scenario #7.

And, though Georgia is a very strong football team - if Bama defeats them, the fact that Georgia is the “two time defending champion”, should not be taken into account or given significant weight / consideration.

This CFP is for play during the 2023 season - and, in a four team format - prior performance should not be a factor.  Again, Georgia had a superb team in ‘21, an excellent team in ‘22, and has a very good team this year.  The CFP isn’t identifying the four best teams based on their performance over the past three seasons - but only this season.

Amazinblu

November 28th, 2023 at 10:45 PM ^

If you’re a two time defending national champion that does not win your conference in a four team playoff - should you be granted “a special exemption” for what you did two years ago?  Or last year?

This is the last year of the four team structure - and, with twelve teams, the “losing team” in a major conference championship game certainly has a strong case to be included in the playoff.  If you’re a two time defending national champ, that would be a feather in your cap.

s1105615

November 29th, 2023 at 8:26 AM ^

There is a simple, objective metric that should used to determine the 4 best teams for a 4 team playoff:  conference champion should be a prerequisite.

Yes, that means ND should never have sniffed a cfp spot.  Yes, that means Ohio State should have been watching the cfp last year and in 2016.  It also means UGA shouldn’t have been in the cfp in 2021, and the same for TCU last year.  Why bother playing the regular season to determine  conference championship participants and then play a conference championship game if those results don’t even matter.  It’s dumb and I’m glad they’ve moved to the new format that guarantees the conference champs get a higher seed.

Amazinblu

November 29th, 2023 at 9:08 AM ^

I strongly agree.  Look at ND’s schedule next year…

It opens with Texas A&M, they’ll face two teams from the MAC (this is not intended to be a negative comment about that conference), two B1G teams - Purdue and USC, two service academies (again, schools that have my respect and admiration), and five ACC schools - including Stanford.   Florida State - in South Bend - in November - seems to be their toughest game.

The NCAA and CFP fawn over them.

And an aside - about four weeks ago (prior to the PSU game) an ND alum was “trashing” me / Michigan because of the schedule.  I’ve heard nothing since, and don’t expect to hear back from him either.

RibbleMcDibble

November 28th, 2023 at 4:24 PM ^

I think TCU finishing ahead of Ohio State last year set the precedent that the committee won't punish a team with the same record as a non-champion for losing an extra game (unless it were a debacle type blowout). 

Just don't see a Buckeye back-in this year. 

EGD

November 28th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^

But expansion means we will never again have stakes quite like these. In a 12-team format, every one of the eight teams discussed above would be playoff shoo-ins. There would still be drama over seeding and the 9th through 12th teams, but these eight would have nothing to worry about.

True. However, seeding and first-round byes are going to be important stakes and the expanded field will increase the importance of so many games. The last couple weeks of the regular season could resemble the end of the NCAA basketball regular season where you have all kinds of teams 
"on the bubble" trying to polish up their resumes for the selection committee. I think the 12-team playoff will be such a success that, after it's been in place for a few seasons, people will be like "what the hell were we doing without this for so long?"

Vasav

November 28th, 2023 at 7:24 PM ^

CFP expansion should mean we get rid of conference championship weekend - this may be the best championship weekend we've every had, with UGA/Bama and Oregon/Washington as play-in games...and yet it still feels inefficient. M, Texas and FSU are playing teams that aren't gettting in. Oregon/Washington is a re-match, not new data.

After 12 games, we have the data we need for the top 4 - UGA, M, UW, and FSU. Bama IS an SEC co-champ, but should not be ahead of UT, who should not be ahead of the undefeateds. so UT and Bama should get autobids, and Oregon should get one of the top 7 spots.

Tulane should absolutely have to play-in for the last spot - but instead of SMU, how about against Liberty? that's your 8-9 game. And then instead of championship weekend, why not matchup Oregon, UT and Bama with Ohio St, PSU and Mizzou? There's your 12-team playoff right there!

Or, if we must have an additional week of games BEFORE the 12 team playoff - then in addition to Tulane-Liberty, we should have OSU, PSU, Mizzou and Ole Miss play-in against OU, LSU and L'Ville. Those last 3 don't really seem deserving at all, but I also know the TV people wanted more games, not to remove conference championships. Still, conference championships give less data than we need, and don't really reward the teams in the future CFP since playing for a bye sorta defeats the purpose of a bye, doesn't it?

This may all be an elaborate way to keep the stakes of The Game very high in the 12-team era.

RealElonMusk

November 28th, 2023 at 5:12 PM ^

I don't want OSU in playoffs so I'm happy to see that the Vegas odds are 50-1 against OSU making it!

Georgia is in win or lose so if they lose to Alabama that leaves 2 slots, one of which Michigan will take -  If Washington wins they would get the 4th slot, if they lose then Florida State or Oregon gets the 4th Slot.

Optimal other playoff participants are:

Washington

Florida State

Alabama

 

ca_prophet

November 29th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^

Georgia won't (well, shouldn't) make it if they lose and Michigan/Washington/FSU all win; Alabama would get the last spot.

The more I think about this, I think there's one spot up for grabs if Michigan wins.  The SEC and Pac12 champions will take two spots, and the last spot will go to FSU if they win.  If FSU loses, then you're sorting through one-loss-but-crippled-FSU, Georgia-if-they-lost, Texas-if-they-won, Washington-if-they-lost, and OSU.

The only way that plays out in OSU's favor is if Georgia wins, and FSU and Texas both lose (probably need Oregon to lose too).  Then they're the best one-loss team left standing.

 

Koop

November 28th, 2023 at 6:17 PM ^

OSU would have wins over very good Penn State and Notre Dame teams, plus a nail-biting loss to Michigan.
 

assume you meant: “OSU would have wins over very good Penn State [period]. And Notre Dame.”

The Golden Domers are 9-3 with wins over exactly zero ranked teams (and yes, I’m including the now-unranked, 7-5, “we don’t play defense in South Central” USC Trojans—that’s just circular and infuriating logic). They lost in humiliating fashion to OSU, at home, by fielding ten players instead of eleven on the two final, and game winning, plays. 

Why is Notre Dame still ranked in the AP poll? Oh, is it because … they’re named Notre Dame, and AP voters ranked them in the preseason polls, and hate to admit that they were wrong? 🧐 

This is not to say that OSU wasn’t good this year. They were, comparatively. So was Penn State. But deserving of the playoffs based on that resume, as opposed to the PAC-12 or SEC runners-up? Puh-leeeeeze. 

randyblueman

November 28th, 2023 at 8:40 PM ^

My hot take: I don't think 12-1 Bama gets in over a 12-1 Texas in scenario 7, but I do think that if both are 12-1 and both get in under some other scenario that Bama will be seeded above Texas. The committee could justify Bama over Texas if they both get in based on vibes. But if it's about getting a bid or not, I don't think you can justify Bama over Texas, particularly since Texas won in Tuscaloosa.

I also don't think 1-loss non-champ Georgia gets in over champ Texas or champ FSU. Maybe that's assumed, but given your explanation of scenario 8 it seems like you might lean Georgia there.

Denard's Pro Career

November 28th, 2023 at 10:59 PM ^

Yeah, Bama and Texas and Oregon and FSU and Michigan winning will be a nightmare for the committee. I will bet you my life's savings right now that Georgia is in the playoff. They could lose to Bama by 45. The committee is putting them in. If Bama beats Georgia, Bama's in, obviously.

Assuming we beat Iowa, that leaves FSU (without a quarterback) and 1 loss Oregon and Texas (one loss Washington essentially eliminated because their conference chooses to shoot itself in the foot every year by holding a championship game). I guess I'd expect them to choose Oregon (???) even though Texas already beat Bama AT Bama and even though FSU is literally undefeated.

But if Bama, Texas, Oregon, and FSU all win, at least 1-2 highly deserving teams will be left out.

ESNY

November 29th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

Def hard to ignore prior two years but would be a hard case to argue for Georgia just on this year alone.
 

They have 2 good wins on their resume, Ole Miss and Mizzou and both those teams are paper tigers themselves.  Their SOS is worse than ours (yet oddly not a word about them…) and they will have lost to the best team they faced and their last two games is a meh performance against GT and a loss to Bama
 

Pretty much every other one loss team will have a better resume

Michigan4Life

November 30th, 2023 at 10:20 AM ^

If the 4 undefeated teams all win the championship game, it's a straight forward scenario with

 

UGA facing FSU

Michigan facing Washington.

Out of the 3 teams, I would strongly prefer facing FSU. Washington might be Michigan's defense worst matchup. UGA is Michigan's offense worst matchup.