Dylan McCaffrey - Situation revisited
I know the common thought around here is to blame Harbaugh and/or Milton for Dylan McCaffrey decision to opt-out and transfer which has been unfair to both of them and also to Dylan McCaffrey because it paints him as someone who transfers when there is stiff competition for starting job instead of sticking it out.
But there are a lot of things that didn’t make sense about that view and nobody appears to have looked closely at what actually transpired last August through September.
If you remember the B1G waited late to decide to cancel the season in fact they announced a schedule one month from the first game and then cancelled it less than a week later. Michigan had less than a week of no pads, no contact practices before the cancellation. Couple that with little to no spring practice there was very little to make any judgements on who were the starters since last year’s bowl practice.
March 15th - Michigan cancels spring football practice
August 5th - B1G announces schedule starting September 5th
August 7th - Michigan starts fall camp
August 11th - B1G announces fall football canceled
August 11th - Any additional practices are voluntary, 20 hours a week of strength and conditioning and walk throughs only.
But even if as some have suggested that Harbaugh decided to go with Milton based on very limited practice or for other ridiculous reasons I won’t cover here then why was Dylan and his parents so adamant about the B1G playing the season on September 5th? Why come to Ann Arbor and participate in the protest? Practice was over, things were on hold.
Angelique (September 5th) asking why he/they was there at the protest:
https://twitter.com/chengelis/status/1302294330556715009
Dylan: “We didn’t know they were going to cancel, they (B1G) kind of egged us on, they gave us a schedule, we were doing well.. and then our season got stripped from us, right at a time when things were looking really up for us.. as a programs, as players.. we are here to vent”
Doesn’t sound like someone who thought the starting job was all ready decided or taken from him unfairly and honestly no matter what your feelings are about Harbaugh it is very doubtful that he would make a starting decision on such little practice time. Sounds like someone who really wanted to play this season and someone who is angry with the B1G.
September 6th - Dylan and his parents in Ann Arbor for protest
September 16th - B1G Announces there will be a season starting in late October
September 16th - Dylan announces publicly that he is opting out and transferring
October 24th - Michigan first game
So then why on the same day that the B1G announces that they will play in late October choose to opt out? This turn around is what on the surface makes no sense and why the rumors and hype about Milton quickly filled in blanks.
But there was other information that was overlooked when everyone was trying to figure out why the presumptive starting quarterback decided to leave.
Sometime between September 6th and September 16 with the football team and season in limbo Dylan and his family made the decision to move on. To graduate from Michigan but play elsewhere. This decision was more than likely made before the B1G announcement to resume and if there was going to be no football the decision would be made public only after Dylan graduated. The B1G announcement made it necessary to make it public but Harbaugh was probably already aware of the decision.
But why not play when the season wouldn’t count against your eligibility? I believe and we will find out in a month or so that Dylan decided he was going to transfer to a team that he believed was going to play the 2020 season in the spring.
What team or conference would that be? Pac-12? perhaps, there were rumors at the time they would try to play in the spring but what about FCS Big Sky conference? They had already announced in August that they would play in the spring and one of the teams in that conference just happens to be coached by Dylon’s dad - Northern Colorado.
There already was a Michigan to Northern Colorado connection - Tru Wilson had transferred there back in the spring. Ed McCaffrey who was against the B1G cancelling fall football was for the Big Sky conference moving to spring.
August 7th - Big Sky conference postpones football until spring
February 27th (2021) - Northern Colorado’s first game
Knowing this it is easy to put yourself in Dylan’s frame of mind. He really wanted to play this season and at some point believed that it wouldn’t happen at Michigan because of the B1G decision. I believe the reason he decided to opt-out was because he couldn’t play for both Michigan and then again for another team which would technically be the same season - I could be wrong here but I haven’t found any rules on this.
Finally, even though it would be dropping down to an FCS school he would be able to play for his father and help him in his first year coaching at the college level. If he did well he would already be known because of his name and having played at Michigan so it shouldn’t hurt his stock too much and he would have a Michigan degree
I like to think this is what happened because it makes everyone look better and is totally understandable. It also makes it more clear why Harbaugh was trying to build up Milton in the wake of this decision. He had no choice, he was left with two inexperienced quarterbacks.
Now the full timeline:
March 15th - Michigan cancels spring football practice
August 5th - B1G announces schedule starting September 5th
August 7th - Big Sky conference postpones football until spring
August 7th - Michigan starts fall camp
August 11th - B1G announces fall football canceled
August 11th - Michigan fall camp ends
September 6th - Dylan and his parents in Ann Arbor for protest
September 16th - B1G Announces there will be a season starting in late October
September 16th - Dylan announces opting out and transferring
October 24th - Michigan first game
February 27th (2021) - Northern Colorado’s first game
December 1st, 2020 at 11:58 AM ^
Anyone know why when I click Ghostofjermainegonzalez name, his posts don’t come up? It’s some error page.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:43 PM ^
There's a small handful of accounts that I've come across that give me that same error message if I click on them, GhostofJermaine being one of them. It's something I've noticed a lot more since becoming a mod earlier this year, but I don't think it's a new problem---I first noticed it on a couple user accounts shortly after Brian and Co. went to this version of drupal a few years ago.
I have no idea if HUEL has looked at/tried to solve the problem, as it's relatively minor when compared to other issues on the MGoWebsite that have been fixed.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
It is probably because the username changed at some point. The database look up on one hand is based on Ids e.g. when you post. But the link is using the username and not the Id. You can fix this by opening the user table in mysql and changing the username to the display name.
edit: and by display name I mean the name in the url -> ghostofjermainegonzales
December 1st, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^
Believe me, I've tried to find a fix on my moderator pages and have "experimented" on a couple (dormant) accounts, but to no avail.
Fortunately, I think so far there's only been one MGoUser account I haven't been able to access their posting history prior to banning them.
December 4th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^
Lately I haven't been able to access this website on Chrome at all, only Safari. Anyone else having this issue?
December 4th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Yes, I did as well. Then I was using Edge but then it began to give me the same problem. I researched it and found that you need to clear cookies. That did the trick for me.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
Here is the problem with that account:
"As a family they decided to sleep on it for that weekend, the following Monday Mr. and Mrs. Mcc let the coaches know that DM was going to finish his scholastic year and transfer."
That following Monday would have been August 11th. Why if this is the case were the McCaffreys and Dylan at the protest in Ann Arbor on September 5th with Harbaugh?
Watch this video: https://twitter.com/chengelis/status/1302294330556715009
December 1st, 2020 at 1:34 PM ^
That account doesn't say any dates so we can't say for sure that the following Monday was in August. The only date that we know for sure is September 16 (the day he announced opting out). The team stayed on to practice after the B1G cancelled the season so it's possible Dylan was at the protest September 5th, then the alleged incident could have happened the following week during one of those practices. Sleep on it over the weekend and inform Harbaugh on Monday, September 14 of opting out.
Edit: here's a story from the Freep from the end of August. A lot of those quotes from Aidan do not indicate they were doing only conditioning. I believe they were still doing regular practices.
“From the first day that the season was canceled, it almost seemed like it wasn’t cancelled," Hutchinson said. "We never really stopped practice. We had a couple days off after the season got cancelled. Otherwise, we’ve been plugging away."
December 1st, 2020 at 2:10 PM ^
August 11th: A program spokesman confirmed that the U-M program is continuing voluntary practices, meetings and strength and conditioning sessions throughout camp under the 20-hour rule for the foreseeable future By NCAA rules, all fall workouts, meetings, and other sessions cannot exceed 20-hours per week with student-athletes.
"DM pulled himself out of practice and told the coaches he felt sick, although he didn't look sick, and was having a great week of practice"
I guess it could have happened the week of 7th through 11th but this sounds like actual practice that would have happened when camp was open in August. Keep in mind this is hearsay and not from the McCaffrey family and it it sounds especially dubious considering everyone would have been on high alert for Covid during this time.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^
Yes, it is second hand info. But it's second hand info that comes from a source (GhostofJermaine) who has provided scores of credible insider information over the last several years. Pretty much everything he's told us has come true. I'll trust him before I trust UMBig11 (who I also largely trust).
December 1st, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^
I get what you're trying to say but I have my doubts about a kid deciding to transfer to FCS (even to help his dad) when he's in line to start at Michigan. Like you said, it's all hearsay but if you get a very limited amount of time for practice, I could very well see an overzealous coach being upset (even in high alert Covid time) about the presumptive starting quarterback pulling himself out of practice for not feeling well.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
That's why I laid out the timeline - these are/were not normal times and I think they were thinking outside the box with the B1G being canceled. They appear to be a very close family and there is no guarantee that he will be an NFL QB so why not graduate take a free year of eligibility and play for his father and then plan on transferring to say Stanford.
Now that said maybe we will learn that he is transferring to say Stanford but that then begs the question why not play this fall for Michigan and then transfer?
December 1st, 2020 at 4:27 PM ^
He wouldn't have lost any eligibility at all playing this season for Michigan. Granted, he would have lost some study time.
December 1st, 2020 at 4:38 PM ^
Yeah, but he wouldn't be able to play for both Michigan and Northern Colorado in the same season even though Northern Colorado's 2020 season doesn't start until February.
December 2nd, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
I agree. I think DMac saw the state of the D every day in practice, saw the state of the O line every day in practice, and realized he wasn't likely to be healthy very long playing on this team. With that in mind after having two injuries that put him on the shelf for long periods already, he bounced.
Maybe it's a selfish decision, but given his career ambitions I don't blame him for making the best decision for him. I would tell my son to do the same if he felt staying put would endanger his long term health and career.
December 4th, 2020 at 4:08 PM ^
Definitely an old-hat thing to decide you know someone's health by physical appearance, way to go Jim.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
The only point you did not emphasize was that, when The Big Ten cancelled the season on August 11 that said the decision would not be revisited. Over and over they said that.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:17 PM ^
Yeah, I could have added more but that is a good point. The McCaffrey's thought the season was not going to happen and there was an easy option to play for his Dad instead and have a Michigan degree.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^
So your theory is that a football player - who had recently been very vocal about wanting to play football at the normal times that football is played - didn't want to play football at the normal times that football is played?
And instead decided to transfer to a school where football would not be played at the normal times that football is played?
And passed up an opportunity to return when it became clear that football was going to be played at his original school?
December 1st, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^
He wanted to play the season - not a particular time. When he made the decision to transfer the B1G had cancelled the season. When they decided to play he had already made his decision to transfer. If he indeed transfers to Northern Colorado he will still play the 2020 season. My theory is that he decided to play for his Dad and he wouldn't be able to play for both Michigan and Northern Colorado in the same season - this is why he opted-out and then stayed on campus to graduate.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^
We'll see how things shake out, but I don't believe for a second that 1) the McCaffreys - and really all football players - didn't have advance knowledge that the season was likely to be uncancelled, and 2) that he could not have rescinded his decision to transfer.
You may have cause & effect switched here.
We may never know the truth. I'm fascinated by how hard this season has crashed, and if John U Bacon writes a book about it I'll buy it.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^
Bacon said that he is done writing football books.
December 2nd, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
Yeah... I don't believe that for a minute.
I'm not sure he can keep himself from doing it, though I do believe he would take a few years off from it.
Maybe in 10 years or so he produces another we'll see.
December 2nd, 2020 at 7:00 AM ^
Your overall theory is entirely plausible, but I have some questions.
"When they decided to play he had already made his decision to transfer."
I believe you're correct on this point, but it doesn't answer why McCaffrey wouldn't have reconsidered his decision to transfer once the conference re-started the fall season. He's still technically a student at UM, and it's not like he'd spent several weeks away from the program—he could very easily have said "Well, things have changed and now I get to play football in the fall for Michigan, sorry Dad." It's not like young people never change their minds 180 degrees for all kinds of sports and non-sports reasons.
Possible answers:
• He wanted to play for UM, but he already gave his word to his dad that he'd transfer to NC and his dad made roster decisions based on that promise. Dylan felt he couldn't reneg on that promise.
• He wanted to play for UM this fall, but after reviewing Michigan's OL situation with his football-oriented family, he decided to not subject himself to that clusterfuck and opted for NC.
• He originally wanted to play for UM this fall, but some specific event occurred between 9-6 and 9-16 that involved Harbaugh, and it pissed the McCaffrey family off so much that he decided to transfer.
• He and/or his family had already grown to dislike Harbaugh and/or his coaching style, and the cancellation of the season was the excuse he needed to transfer. His family's participation in the pro-playing protest was PR eyewash to paint his transfer in a more flattering light.
December 2nd, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^
The offensive line situation at the beginning of the season was not a clusterfuck. Even considering all the injuries, the line has done a better job protecting the QB than recent pre-Warinner lines. Does anyone remember Runyan vs. ND or JBB’s time at RT?
December 3rd, 2020 at 8:06 AM ^
The correct answer is #3. The McCaffrey camp believes that Harbaugh lied to them by (according to them) promising that Dylan would be the starter after Patterson graduated. When they went with Milton instead, he quit in frustration. I understand and appreciate Ghost of Jermaine's story/theory, but that's what I've heard from people close to the McCaffrey family.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
Or that Harbaugh pushed him away like he did with Speight and Peters.
6 weeks of practice, 5 of which have been conducted with the season cancelled. And McCaffrey says he doesn't feel well and needs to take a few days off. How does Harbaugh react? He questions his toughness. Mind you this is a QB who has broken his collarbone and had a major concussion playing for you. Harbaugh is the problem.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:15 PM ^
There was 1 week of practice. Everything else was weight training and walk throughs of which most of that was with the thought the season was cancelled. You think Harbaugh is going to make a QB decision after 1 week and the season cancelled? That make no sense.
This is also why the timeline is important. Go look at the video of him on Sept 5th
https://twitter.com/chengelis/status/1302294330556715009
Does that sound like a guy who is leaving the team or is unhappy about his treatment?
December 1st, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
So why pushback on a guy and question his toughness if he is only going to miss weights and walkthroughs?
December 1st, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^
Well that is what that one post said - we don't have that directly from a McCaffrey. Again, look at the video - Dylon does not appear to be unhappy with anything other than the B1G and that is several weeks after camp ended.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:38 PM ^
The spat between Harbaugh and McCaffrey could have been after September 5th.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:33 PM ^
The point in contention wasn't that Harbaugh 'picked a QB', it's that Harbaugh questioned a players 'toughness'. That's different from picking a starter...
December 1st, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^
That is hearsay I am only using timelines and Dylan's words and actions to try and piece this together.
December 1st, 2020 at 10:39 PM ^
Isn't questioning players' toughness what football coaches do?
December 4th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
1VaBlue1, coaches question players toughness every workout, practice rep every day.
The only thing I know was constant was from camp Sam Webb, Angelique and a few others were all on the Joe Milton train saying this isn't close and Milton is the starter. Could Harbaugh have answered that before returning to the actual season camp, I doubt it. Harbaugh was likely holding off until the last minute and would tell him they are starters 1a and 1b again.. like he did last year to keep him from transferring out.
It made little sense the timing and or the reason since he couldn't play qb anywhere else this year and this year wasn't going to count against the players eligibility. It is a free year so to speak.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:31 PM ^
Harbaugh has been known to speak of 'toughness', so I don't doubt that he would push back against something he thought was 'soft'.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:43 PM ^
Fair enough, but in a pandemic the guy says he doesn't feel right. Plus, your season is/was cancelled at the time.
Who knows, maybe McCaffrey checked out and wants to go home and play for his dad. Still if you are Harbaugh you have to be able to coax these guys into staying. McCaffrey is Harbaugh's 2nd QB recruit to bail on him. I mean we could have a 5th year Peters and a 4th year McCaffrey added to the QB room if Harbaugh wasn't so prickly.
December 1st, 2020 at 7:27 PM ^
Mind you this is a QB who has broken his collarbone
He broke his collarbone because he did a very foolish thing -- on a QB run he decided to lower his shoulder and try to pop a defensive back. That's the kind of thing you leave to running backs. No QB should ever do that. That's on McCaffrey, not Harbaugh, as I can't imagine even Harbaugh coaching his QBs to risk themselves like that. He should have stepped out of bounds.
December 1st, 2020 at 8:32 PM ^
He's not blaming Harbaugh for that. What he is saying - assuming all this is true - is that you don't question a guy's toughness when he's done that for you.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
One day, the reason for the transfer will come out. Or it won’t. But if it does, I suspect it will be a much simpler explanation.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:26 PM ^
It is pretty simple: The McCaffrey's thought there wasn't going to be a season, they were angry with the B1G and thought hey Dylan could graduate and still play this season but for his Dad in February.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^
So the "simple" answer is that a QB presumably with NFL aspirations would rather turn down starting for one of the most well known D1 teams for 1-2 years and instead pin his hopes on a mediocre Big Sky football team hopefully playing six whole games of spring football and then starting a 2nd season in the fall for a fairly anonymous team?
That tinfoil hat must be getting pretty tight around your head.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:02 PM ^
First of all we know he did opt-out, is transferring and he decided not to play even though on September 5th he shows no sign of discontent with anything besides the B1G. My guess is that you didn't even read the diary.
So what is your reasoning? That he was so upset that he beat out Milton in one week of practice and Milton was still given the job and that even though everyone was hyper sensitive about Covid that Harbaugh told him to man up when he said he felt sick and then he quit the team to transfer because it was unfair and he rather sit out a year and try again next year?
I get it you probably hate Milton and/or Harbaugh but this makes no sense and also makes everyone look bad including McCaffrey.
December 1st, 2020 at 10:41 PM ^
All the timeline tells me for sure is that Milton didn't actually clearly beat out out Dylan -- not in a week, he didn't -- and that all the Milton hype was bullshit fanned by Sam Webb and other hype men.
December 2nd, 2020 at 8:33 AM ^
If we back up a little further--rather than get caught up with speculation about each step--what I take from your OP is useful: A lot of assumptions buried in our condemnation of Harbaugh for losing McCaffrey just aren't backed up by hard evidence.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
Except he stayed in school. He's still in Ann Arbor. He could have easily come back to play once the Big Ten announced the new season. And he wouldn't have lost any eligibility. You say he looked happy and engaging in the protest video. Well why didn't he come back to the team to play when A) he was still in school, and B) he could play football - which is what you say his ultimate goal was.
December 1st, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
Did you read what I wrote? The reason is he decided to play for his father - Their 2020 season starts in February.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^
I did:
"(on 9/5) Dylan and his parents were adamant about the B1G playing a season"
"Sounds like someone who really wanted to play this season"
"Sept 16 the Big Ten announces a season in late October"
"Sept 16 McCaffrey announces his intentions to leave"
So the presumed starter (or at least co-favorite to earn the starting job) elected to NOT play football on the very day the Big Ten announced a season - something he very much wanted to happen, as you wrote. And the reason is because he wants to play for his dad NEXT SPRING in spite of the fact he continues to take classes at Michigan, and wouldn't lose a minute of eligibility had he played for UM right now. That sounds odd to me. What I also don't get is, IF Dylan and the McCaffreys had no beef with Jim, why not come back and say, "hey, we made a decision but now that the Big Ten has changed course and will play a season, we'd like to rejoin the team"?
December 1st, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^
It was odd and that is one of the reasons I continued to think about this. Why wouldn't you at least play this year but that is when I saw that Northern Colorado was going to play it's first 2020 game in February and I would assume that he couldn't play for both Michigan and Northern Colorado during the same season. They would have known this back in September. So either he plays for his dad or he plays out the remaining semester at Michigan before graduating. He could then transfer to say Stanford if he wanted to go back to Div 1.
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