Denard's Mechanics - He'll Be Even Better

Submitted by papabear16 on

Watching the videos from the Illinois game, and then going back to the Michigan State game, have confirmed something for me: Denard's mechanics have broken down a bit over the course of the season.  This is, in a way, good news.  It is good news because it can be accounted for in the play-calling, and because it is fixable.

Denard throws with quite the rotating motion of his upper body.  This is not unusual, and is more common with QBs with more of a sidearm delivery.  Because of this technque, however, Denard often releases the ball with his chest rotated past the point where it is directly at his target.  This can lead to inaccuracy.

To see where this is a problem, watch the Michigan State interceptions.  Both were on patterns where the receivers crossed from Denard's right toward the middle of the field.  He rushes, and doesn't quite rotate his body enough, leaving the ball behind the receiver. 

It is important to note that QBs rarely have their chests perfectly pointed at their target.  The target changes slightly even in the moment between when a QB begins his throwing motion, and when the QB releases the pass.  So, QBs make small, usually unconscious adjustments with their arm and shoulder - their feet, hips, and chest are already set.  THis is not a big deal when a QB is well-squared to his target, but when his technique involves an overrotation of his chest, it makes it more difficult for a right-handed QB to adjust his pass further left.  On the other hand, adjusting further right on a throw is easy.

To see this, watch the last two TDs Denard through to Roundtree.  Both were routes moving from Denard's left to right - the better route for him.  On the shorter, Denard was able to adjust the throw a bit behind the receiver - but still catchable - to avoid a safety.  On the longer, he threw one of the prettiest touch passes of his career.  I submit that these throws - and any other crossing routes, posts, or slants coming from his left to right - are well-suited to his technique and likely to be accurate.

This is a very common technique problems with a young QB.  The fact that he had better technique at the beginning of the year means that he was well-coached in the offseason, but that it hasn't become permanent yet.  These technique issues take quite awhile to perfect.  But they'll be even better next year, and the year after...

This year, this suggests the play-calling can be done in a way to maximize Denard's effectiveness.  Throw posts, slants, and crossing routes to receivers to the left.  To the right, throw outs, curls, gos - anything vertical or to the outside.  Those are going to be the money plays for the next three games.

Comments

Magnus

November 12th, 2010 at 9:02 AM ^

Good post.  I agree wholeheartedly.  There are certain throws Denard makes better than others, and I think it would behoove the coaches to call plays to fit those strengths (and hide those weaknesses).  In general, I think Denard throws more accurately to his left on all passes, whether it's bubble screens, hitches, slants, etc.  I think it was the Iowa game where I really started noticing him short-arming some balls to his right and not stepping into his throws. 

Anyway, like I said, good post.

UMdad

November 12th, 2010 at 11:30 AM ^

If you couple that with the improvements in reads and decision-making that I am sure he will have with increased experience and practice time I am getting more excited about this kid all of the time.  I always felt that Scott Loeffler was an under-rated reason a lot of our QB's performed so well.  Do we have a QB coach now, and what is the general opinion of him as far as helping our QB's with these mechanical issues?

WeaponX

November 12th, 2010 at 12:09 PM ^

Our QB coach's name is Rod Smith.  Based on what I have seen in the development of players that actually have talent and stick around (granted, I only have Tate and Denard for reference) he seems to have a decent idea of what he is doing.  Obviously, Denard put in some work on his own, but also obviously, he's considerably better than last year.  I expect to continue to see this kid get even better, at least in the passing game, and hopefully with some of his decision-making.

That being said, the level at which Denard performs and his running ability are already more than I could've hoped for out of this season.  Our O is a juggernaut.  If we get a D, we will be soooo good.

AMazinBlue

November 12th, 2010 at 9:20 AM ^

the shoulder injury/weakness in the joint by over-rotating his torso and there-by creating the inaccuracy.  Hence the injury has caused the poorer form of late?   If they all can be as healthy as possible going to Columbus and hopefully riding a three-game winning streak, I like our chances especially if we get a lead.  The vest doesn't play call as well from behind.

Optimistic?  Hell yeah!

VaUMWolverine

November 12th, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^

we definitely have not seen the full progression of what will be Denard. As of right now, he has only started 9 games in college. NO QB has ever been what he will be through just 9 games. Bowl practice and spring ball will make Denard even more dangerous than he currently is...can you imagine?

Now, if we can just get that defense fixed...

Go Blue! Kill Purdue!

Blue Blue Blue

November 12th, 2010 at 9:27 AM ^

lots of young QBs progress as passers during their college years.   We know Denard is going ot work hard in the off season this year and next year.

 

2012 is going to be a monster year, with senior Denard and that Alabama/ Nebraska/ Notre Dame/ Ohio State schedule........

Tim

November 12th, 2010 at 9:28 AM ^

I'd also point out that Denard has had knee, hip, and shoulder injuries this year. Minor though they may be, they could be affecting his throwing motion, either directly or because he's subconsciously compensating for them. He could be over- and under-rotating his chest to adjust the upper-body torque (and therefore power) on individual throws, etc.

Michigan4Life

November 12th, 2010 at 1:54 PM ^

because QB or anybody with injuries subconciously compenstated for the injury by subtly changing the mechanics that would affect the velocity and accuracy of the throw.  All of the injuries are a factor to his mechancial breakdown.  He'll get better with experience and he'll have all of the off-season to fix his mechanics issues.  I would expect his junior year to be better as a passer which is an exciting prospect for us Michigan fans.

Motown20

November 12th, 2010 at 9:45 AM ^

I've watched all the games with my son and he is the lucky recipient of my Denard analysis.  The pass he "dropped" into Roundtree was pretty.  He's more than capable of doing that most of the time.  He has missed some of those passes this year and it has to be frustrating to RR (you can see it on his face).  It will come though, and his progression from last year to this year has been amazing.  The next two years will be really fun and Denard is such a "high character" guy, he is willing to put in the work to make himself even better.  When he masters that over the top pass, this offense is going to be scary good.

In addition, if Devin Gardner gets that medical redshirt, has 5 years in this offense, gets Hart, Watkins and a couple other recruits to come to Michigan......how good will he become?

The future bodes well for Big Blue.

dongiles

November 12th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

I am so glad to know that someone else is irritated every time the appellation "Big Blue" is given to the Maize & Blue.  I did not realize it could be traced back to Lee Corso. Numerous times I have used exactly the same examples of legitimate "Big Blue" designees.  Let's hope it will die out!

dongiles

November 12th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

I am so glad to know that someone else is irritated every time the appellation "Big Blue" is given to the Maize & Blue.  I did not realize it could be traced back to Lee Corso. Numerous times I have used exactly the same examples of legitimate "Big Blue" designees.  Let's hope it will die out!

Tater

November 12th, 2010 at 10:27 AM ^

I think it has more to do with playing through injuries and seeing better defenses than a mere breakdown in technique.  Denard seems to have lost a half-step since the MSU game.  He is still faster than almost any QB in the game, but there is just a little bit less explosion there.  Also, teams are daring him to beat them with his arm by clogging the box and "spying." 

He is seeing faster DB's, better coverage, and has smaller holes through which to throw the ball.  Also, he knows that he pretty much needs to score every drive to give his team a chance to win.  Despite all of this, he is still kicking royal ass.  And he is doing it at what I would guess is somewhere just over ninety percent. 

I agree that he will be better next year, but it is because the entire offense, including Denard, will have more experience.  And I think the picks are more a result of inexperience, faster defenses, and better-disguised coverages than any breakdown in mechanics.

Blue in Seattle

November 12th, 2010 at 11:31 AM ^

If Denard can get that much time to sit in the pocket, then I'm all for breaking passing statistics over rushing statistics.  Whatever leads to the touchdown.

But I'm thinking that was the point of assembling this offense in the first place.

The Weapon of Choice Offense forces defenses to Pick their Poison.

mgolf4

November 12th, 2010 at 11:04 AM ^

I don't disagree with the fact that he makes some throws better than others but the first interception against MSU was on the throw to Roundtree who was running from Denard's left to his right instead of the other way around.

mgolf4

November 12th, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^

I wasn't trying to discredit your analysis as much as highlight the fact that he also has room to improve in areas of decision making and experience. That was a huge game for the program and only his 5th start. He has hesitated at times and tried to force the big play when a check down is open. That being said I love watching him and am proud to have him as our starting QB. The fact that he has led the 5th ranked offense in the nation while being a true sophomore with 9 starts to his name, who has room to make improvements in both his technique and reads - AND has proven to be a hard worker and capable of getting better - leaves me nothing short of excited for the future. Thanks for the post, good read.

papabear16

November 12th, 2010 at 11:09 AM ^

Regarding his injury, I don't THINK that's having this particular effect (over-rotating his torso) on his mechanics.  At least with my past shoulder injuries, I actually wanted to block my chect more (stop it right on target), but lost some timing because my arm started forward earlier.  This is because it wouldn't take the stretch back as well.  But his shoulder injury might be different.

Regarding the improvement in defenses, etc., that's all true.  This commentary is not on his ability to read defenses, have the game slow down, etc. - it's just about his ability to put the ball where he decides to put due to his technique.  Those other issues will also certainly improve.  Remember, there are two parts to accuracy in a QB - knowing where to put the ball, and the ability to put it where you want it to go.  This post was only about the second part.

LSA Superstar

November 12th, 2010 at 11:42 AM ^

Good comment. This thread has been mercifully free of hyperbole or mudslinging.

That being said, I anecdotally disagree. I used to play quarterback and I was a very poor thrower. Things got made worse because I wanted to be a big man my sophomore year and I started lifting like crazy and subluxed my shoulder. This made it painful to throw despite the fact that the joint was actually decently stable. The problem that resulted was that I began to "cast" the ball by swinging my torso - the very problem that the OP diagnosed in Robinson.

While I haven't watched carefully enough to see the problem in action (that is, I haven't seen Robinson swing the ball), I have seen Denard do the same thing I used to do - my injured self had no trouble when my feet were set and I could "think through" my throwing motion, but if I needed to throw the ball all of a sudden into a rapidly disappearing hole or if I was on the run I went back to my torso cast. I threw four interceptions against Grand Rapids Union this way back in the early 2000s.

papabear16

November 12th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^

Interesting.  I played QB as well, and did the opposite when rushed or injured - didn't draw the arm back enough and, as a result, short-armed some stuff.  But it's interesting to note your experience; that could be exaclty the cause of Denard's mechanical change.

Also, I love the term "casting" - perfect description.

leftrare

November 12th, 2010 at 2:05 PM ^

This post is awesome; thanks to the seemingly numerous former QBs coming out of the woodwork.  I'm loving it.

At the same time, I can't help but think about the thousands of technical discussions I've had with my golfing buddies.  it's got exactly the same tone, just different moving parts. 

Fascinating.  Especially the aspect of what I call "reversion to bad habits".  Reversion happens when I'm tired or stressed and the good neurological connections get shut down and the old ones take over.

papabear16

November 12th, 2010 at 3:12 PM ^

That reversion is precisely what I think is going on (although the injuries may be playing a small or large part, too).  Denard's had a year of good coaching, but before that, he probably had ten years of coaching himself.  Give him another offseason or two, and he'll "revert" to excellent technique.

In comparison, watch Tate under pressure, like the next-to-the-last pass of last year's ND game (the drop).  He was pressured, had to move left, contort his body - and yet at the last instant, snapped into perfect form and fired an accurate pass.  That's superb coaching right there, and a player who worked hard to learn it.

(I think it's clear, but in case it's not, my references to Tate are by no means my attempt to instigate a QB controversy.  The kid simply has near-textbook form.)

Impaler 19

November 12th, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^

I agree with your analysis. I have been thinking the past few games about how many yards are being left out there because Denard's throws were just a bit off and the receiver has to make an adjustment to make the catch. I think that this could be a result of his numerous injuries he is dealing with. When he gets these minor things corrected then we will explode even more.

MightAndMainWeCheer

November 12th, 2010 at 11:52 AM ^

I'm not sure if this is intentional to help him square up to the target, but Denard never steps into his throws.  His front (left foot) is generally stepping to his left side instead of forward towards his target (this becomes very apparent when he is stationary in the pocket).  Contrast that with Tate; Tate's left foot is generally pointed directly at the target of his throw. 

This makes a difference in accuracy.  Pitchers step directly towards home plate, not to the side; infielders will step towards 1st base when making a throw, not to the side.  There is a reason for this.  Stepping to the side also neutralizes some of the zip on the ball b/c you aren't using your legs and instead solely relying on upper body arm strength.

This is why I am surprised that Denard is as accurate as he is (obviously some room for improvement, but I'm not complaining with the present product).  Also, if there were any doubts to how strong his arm is, just look at the zip he puts on the ball without stepping into his passes; unfortunately this also leads to him throwing those one-hoppers to the receiver.

papabear16

November 12th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

I've been watching this, too, and can't decide what to think.  Traditionally, you're right on.  In fact, everything you see Tate do is pretty darn good for the traditional model of throwing.  But there are a few QBs who have always been good even while stepping to 11 o'clock or even almost 10 o'clock when throwing (for a right-hander).  I think Marino often did this.  I learned to go to 11 during my senior year, and it opened up my hips much easier and gave me more zip.  So, I don't know.

I read a good article awhile back by, I believe, Jerry Glanville, and he stated that the direction of the toes is much more important than the alignment of the step.  The purpose is simply to get the body moving in a straight, stable line toward the target, and the author said that in his many years of coaching, he found the point of the foot to be a bigger factor there.  In fact, to maintain stability while bringing the hips through, he advocating stepping slightly left of the target.  I've tried it a bit, and it works for me.

urbanachiever

November 12th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

It's mind blowing that we can point out so many flaws in his delivery and mechanics less than a week after he averaged 30 yards per completion in a game.  This thread speaks to just how far Denard has come in 2 years

DustomaticGXC

November 13th, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^

... but wasn't the first interception against MSU to a receiver who was doing a crossing pattern moving from Denard's left to right in the endzone while the second was a receiver slanting from the slot right to the middle?  I assume you meant these two and not the third.

 

Edit:  I'm sorry.  I missed the comment where this was already pointed out.  I'll be more thorough before posting next time.

chunkums

November 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM ^

I know football =/= baseball, but I can't help but think of when I used to pitch.  In times when I was throwing a lot and my arm would hurt, my motion would change quite a bit without me knowing it until the coaches would point it out.  This is probably the case with Denard IMO.

Soulfire21

November 14th, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^

... But don't expect an astronimical leap like we saw from '09 to '10.

I just want 2 things:

1) Get the reads done faster.  He's doing a decent job, but if Denard can read the defense even a bit faster Michigan will be better off for it.  The offense's hallmark is speed, and the speedier we can become, the better.

I felt like he made quite a few bad reads against Purdue, and while I haven't seen a replay of the game footage, Denard either didn't follow his blocks very well or his blocks weren't all that great when he was rushing.

2) A litle more "touch".  Denard's throwing is like night and day from last year, but it seems to be most of his passing yards are yards after the catch.  He's been very good with the high percentage passes (short/mid), but it seems to me he overthrows his receivers quite often on the long ball.  If his throwing can be tweaked and improve even just a bit more, that'd be great.

I'm confident he'll be considerably better (!!) next year.

jmblue

November 14th, 2010 at 4:32 PM ^

The other thing Denard needs to fix is his tendency to put the ball in his left hand when he runs.  Not only does this expose the ball when he runs to the right (as we saw yesterday), it also is a tell-tale sign to the defense that it's a running play. 

6james6

November 15th, 2010 at 1:06 AM ^

Whether you like to hear it or not, Denard has been Michigan's one-man-show.  Without him we would not have been 7-3 so far. So if the guy has mistakes, we for sure know that RR and his team are simply waiting for the offseason to space out things and help him get much better.

If he can win us the ND Indiana games, I think him throwing INT (which is frustrating) also needs to be taken in right spirts. I agree with the fact that he cannot throw long. But within 20-25 yd range he seems pretty good.

His running is still good - the only bad point is that when people see him on tape going crazy with running they figure out ways to stop him, still he is destructible and probably one of the most enjoyable players to watch in College FB. He is still a sophomore.