Crazy Hypothetical: What if all this happened at Michigan?

Submitted by Minus The Houma on

What if all the things regarding the current Ohio State scandal happened at Michigan? Harbaugh knowingly harbored and protected a wife beater and generally bad person. A report comes out with bad findings and Jim gets a 3 game suspension. 

What are your actions? Do you stop supporting football until the university cleaned house? Threat to stop donating if you are inclined?

I didn’t graduate from UM, but have been a fan for about 25 years, starting when I was in middle school. My feeling is that I would say “screw it” and just stop watching college football all together. After listening to the current podcast on the main page it would be awesome to hear MGoBlog owner and official contributors too. Brian had very strong opinions that I’m pretty much in line with  

I don’t have as much invested into the university, hell, I’ve never been to Ann Arbor (but I do like The Get Up Kids). One day I will make it there for a game. Obviously it is so hard to say until you are in the situation but how would you like to see yourself act?

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Minus The Houma

August 24th, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^

Sorry I meant for this to be a blog post not diary, if it could be moved. 

For clarification I would hope and want Michigan to take the moral path and fire Harbaugh. Anything short of that would be a disappointment to me, to say the least. 

MGoStrength

August 24th, 2018 at 9:46 PM ^

I would like to say that I would not be happy with JH if he did that and I'd certainly hope UM would be more transparent in the investigation process, however I can recognize that it's harder for OSU fans because of Urban Meyer's success.  It would be hard to get rid of a coach that basically guarantees you 12 victories every year, a win over your bitter rival, and a shot at the playoffs.  I think I can safely say that I wouldn't publicly support that sort of behavior and blame the media the way I'm seeing by so many Buckeye homers, but at the same time I'm not sure I'd support firing the guy.

Perkis-Size Me

August 24th, 2018 at 9:57 PM ^

If it happens here, then fire Harbaugh and anyone who assisted him with a cover up.

This is Michigan. We’re better than that. The meaning of this school goes so far beyond wins on the football field. That’s one of many things that separates us from OSU. 

I don’t care if he wins it all. If Harbaugh ever enables a wife beater, fire his ass. And never think twice about it. 

victors2000

August 25th, 2018 at 11:17 AM ^

I agree! If this were to happen here it would be because Michigan was no longer Michigan. The wrong people were placed in power, the culture would be different, and then perhaps someone other than Coach Harbaugh would have been hired. I responded to someone about this in a previous thread; perhaps i live in an 'Ivory Tower', but this wouldn't happen at 'our' Michigan.

not life or de…

August 24th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^

Hypothetical this, hypothetical that,. What if hypothetically we got a first down before the fumbled snap vs msu, or a first down before J.T was short, or maybe a first down at Iowa after striblings interception. I mean 2017 was tough, if we cant get 10 yards on 3 downs this year it will be more "Hypothetical's"

lbpeley

August 25th, 2018 at 11:12 AM ^

Negged you not so much for your shit post but for your shit use of the apostrophe in hypotheticals. This is not a hard fucking concept. The apostrophe is used for showing possession or to indicate missing letter(s) in a contraction. Pull your head out. 

jamesjosephharbaugh

August 24th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^

I would try to review the investigation report objectively and make a judgment call. 

I actually don’t know if the 3 games is that far out of line. Maybe, maybe not. 

The worst thing about it was the shitshow of an investigation, press conference, statement by Meyer, report published by the board. It’s an embarrassment. 

So my ire would be directed at the university. I’d probably quit football and write some emails to university officials. 

MGoStrength

August 24th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^

See Moeller, Gary

I put this in another thread because that crossed my mind as well, but when comparing their resume's Meyer is much more successful than Moeller and when Moeller was fired he just had 2 consecutive 8-4 seasons.  Moeller did have a good record against OSU (3-1-1), but Meyer is 6-0 against UM, has never lost more 2 games in a year while at OSU and has never won fewer than 11 wins, and has an NC there.  So, he is quite a bit more successful than Moeller was.

WestQuad

August 25th, 2018 at 8:31 AM ^

No one has a record like Urban Meyer except for Saban.   Moeller was a good coach.  The 8-4 seasons were disappointing for sure, but it felt like we didn’t skip a beat when Bo retired.  Wins versus OSU are nothing to sneeze at.  You can’t dismiss Moeller.

To your point though, after going through the desert of Hoke and RR, a coach would have to do something pretty bad.  If Harbaugh goes undefeated this year and next,  getting drunk at a restaurant wouldn’t get him fired. Enabling a wife beater for 9 years, at Michigan, would still get him fired desert and all.

 

MGoStrength

August 25th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^

It's a good question on how UM would handle it.  Right now it's just a guess.  However, although Moeller was a good coach my point is Meyer is significantly better and that would make him less replaceable and likely harder to fire.  So, to counter your original point, firing Moeller is not the same as firing Meyer would be.

harmon40

August 28th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^

Agree. To make it really equivalent, we would have to imagine such a scandal breaking 6 years from now, with Harbaugh having gone 73-8 over that span, 6-0 vs Urban Meyer, a nat’l Title, and top 5 recruiting classes every year. 

Would we really fire him? Maybe, maybe not...but in all honesty I imagine there would be a strong bias toward retaining him unless it were absolutely not possible. 

reshp1

August 24th, 2018 at 10:56 PM ^

I honestly don't think it's homerism to say it wouldn't be tolerated here. We've always prided ourselves on doing things the right way, overcompensating to a fault in many cases. Our reputation for arrogance in large part stems from the belief that Michigan is special (e.g. Michigan Man). That belief has seen us through dark times in terms of on field, on the court performance, knowing that despite how bad the teams performed, at least they did it with integrity. I don't think we as a fan base would abandon that so easily, even if a coach were bringing in unprecedented success. 

The Maizer

August 24th, 2018 at 11:44 PM ^

It depends what you mean for this hypothetical. If hypothetically Harbaugh covered up domestic violence and then lied about it, he would be fired. If hypothetically he did all of that and was not fired, I would go to more hockey games.

mackbru

August 25th, 2018 at 12:05 AM ^

Simple. If a Michigan coach overlooks abuse, then lies about it, then blames the media, then attempts a cover-up, then fails to apologize, you fire his ass yesterday. Period.

Farnn

August 25th, 2018 at 12:22 AM ^

In what world could something like this happen at Michigan?  The local media knew what a shitty person Zach Smith was and avoided writing about it for half a decade.  Meanwhile, Michigan had local media conduct a months long investigation claiming Michigan was overworking their players and going well beyond NCAA maximum practice time(over 30 minutes of stretching), their director of player personnel had a DUI and footage from the stop was online within a few days, a player was put back into the game after getting concussed and the fans took to the streets.

Maybe I'm naive, but between a local media that actually holds the program accountable and a fan base that has a sizable portion who won't tolerate the usual abuses by football coaches I don't see it possible for a coach like Smith to last 6 years here.

Section 1.8

August 25th, 2018 at 7:18 AM ^

Wait a minute.

We (meaning this particular blog's culture/membership) counterattacked Michael Rosenberg and the Free Press and we were right to do so, in the matter of stretchgate.  I don't know what "positive" part of local Michigan media was proven in that instance.  It may have been the rare case of a fancentric blog schooling the establishment media on what is right.

As for DUI coverage, it happens mostly everywhere (I guarantee you, the Dispatch would run a story on an assistant coach's DUI) if they know about it.  They can't write about it if they don't know about it.  Do we know how many Michigan football team DUI's never got reported?  I sure don't.  Because if they don't get reported, I don't know about it.  I'm talking about frightened players and coaches who might get busted while on vacation somewhere, or back home away from any media who might know who they are, and who never tell the head coach, or the athletic department and the press doesn't fine out about it.  In the history of Michigan football, I am guessing that that number is >0.

And as for Michigan fans "taking to the streets":  That stunt was in the middle of the most pathetic performances by any Michigan football team in my memory.  Do you remember the irony of that day?  People were screaming for Dave Brandon to be fired!  Brandon didn't tell Shane Morris to go back into that game.  I'm actually not sure who did.  I was sitting right behind the Michigan bench for that game, and it was just a clusterfuck.  Morris is banged up; he waves off any replacement, then gets hit in an uncalled targeting play, plays another down, then comes out.  Devin Gardner comes in to play quarterback, but three plays later, Gardner's helmet comes off.  The third-string QB Russell Bellomy, who had been wearing a ballcap and a headset for play signaling, can't find a helmet to go in, and so Morris goes back in for a single play.

If you want to do a role-reversal exercise, you can be assured that if an Ohio State head football coach was in the middle of a 5-win season, and a home loss by three touchdowns to Minnesota, and a sideline clusterfuck like what we saw with Morris, Gardner and Bellomy, that OSU coach would not have survived the week.  It wasn't any Michigan moral superiority in the ensuing weeks.  A certain sector just hated Brandon, and were rightly disappointed beyond words with the team that Brady Hoke was putting on the field.

 

s1105615

August 25th, 2018 at 7:13 AM ^

I’d probably just never spend another dollar going to a game or on any UM merch again until all the bad actors were gone.

i enjoy UM football too much to give it up, but I would certainly hide my fandom by not wearing UM gear or displaying the team colors.

i also live in Dayton OH, so not much would change.  I’m not sure the university would miss the $100 or so a year I spend on apparel and never sees a dime of the second hand tickets I buy so...

Arb lover

August 25th, 2018 at 8:31 AM ^

I wrote a diary about three weeks ago here contrasting the entire culture between Columbus and Ann Arbor from the police departments, media, university, and football coaches, and comparing and contrasting the differences in discipline for issues as they all play a role in how that pans out.

My takeaway was that it is fairly clear that Ann Arbor as a whole unit has functioned quite well over the last 5 years, much more so that Columbus, and that as a result more likely than not, were significant issues uncovered at Michigan, they would not be tolerated. I felt it was important to look introspectively with all of this going on, to learn from this incident and internalize our reaction should it occur at Michigan.

Catchafire

August 25th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^

If Harbat had the same record as Urban, then I think we would have the same attitude.  It's easy to get off, move on, beat a charge when you are a winner.

McFinn

August 26th, 2018 at 12:55 AM ^

Totally agree. Winning and having a winning culture allows for some latitude.  The three game suspension hurts the control freak Urban is and also knocks his ego a bit. However, he has plenty of experience on his coaching staff to step up. I’m fearful he will actually come back refreshed.  

Berger04

August 25th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

I don't believe it would have gone this far. If Harbaugh had lied and accused of the accusations that Meyer was accused of,  I believe he would have been fired weeks ago.  

Blue Vet

August 25th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^

YOUR HYPOTHETICAL:

1) If a Michigan coach did that, I believe the administration would handle with greater honesty and character.

2) If the administration instead acted as Ohio State's did, I would stop donating.

That's why I disagree with those who focus most on wins. As others have expressed it, I believe the University of Michigan is better than that.

nmwolverine

August 25th, 2018 at 4:57 PM ^

Here’s an exercise for those more knowledgeable than I am.  What if the Steve Fisher scandal happened at OSU.  Would Fisher have been fired.  Think about what happened.  Now think about how the Board of Trustees would spin it.

mhn8995

August 25th, 2018 at 7:05 PM ^

I've been thinking about this a lot lately.  Fundamentally, it comes down to how much the wins and losses mean to you as a fan.  I grew up in Ann Arbor and attended UM.  I am proud of both facts, but I don't see the University as fundamentally different or better than others, though I am happy when it proves to be by its actions.  I guess it comes down to how easy it is for each of us to keep perspective when it comes to college football.  Would I like Michigan's coach to have Meyer's record at OSU?  Damn right I would.  Would I defend him under these circumstances?  I'd like to think I wouldn't.  I think it's dangerous business to claim the moral high ground in the current environment where so many rules don't make a ton of sense and there are incentives to turn a blind eye.  I hope that, god forbid, something like this were to  happen at UM, we as a fan base would show more perspective and that Brian would be similarly critical of our administration.

Reader71

August 25th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^

Outside of a Penn State- or Michigan State-level of institutional criminality, I could never stop supporting Michigan.

But if this situation had occurred at Michigan, I would immediately stop supporting the coach. And although I’m very likely the least influential Michigan alum in the world, I would do everything in my limited power to get him fired. 

Because no man is more important than the team, no coach is more important than the team. The team, the team, the team. This mantra is in our bones.

I don’t care if he is the best coach in the history of coaching, Urban Meyer has brought disrepute on his program. I wouldn’t stand for that at Michigan. 

Synful

August 28th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^

Slightly older post but going to respond anyway.  I graduated from UM and have been loyal, sitting through some terrible games and coaching staffs.

How would I react?  The same way.  When this came to light I shot off mails to the Athletic Dept imploring them to make sure our house is clean.  Should our HC be in the same situation I'd be calling for his head just as loudly as I have Meyer's.  I don't want to be ashamed of my alma mater and if they pulled the same crap that OSU did, I absolutely would be.

FrankTigers2

August 28th, 2018 at 10:19 PM ^

1.  what if it was bo?  Would we fire him?

2.  Lets not get carried away....we did have a punter that was accused and he played out his 4 years until we found a new one....

 

Not trying to be that guy, but lets be a little bit realistic.

remdog

August 29th, 2018 at 7:47 AM ^

I think this a question of someone's overall philosophy about life.  Is it a philosophy of forgiveness and tolerance or the opposite?  In my humble opinion, we have become an increasingly intolerant and unforgiving society.  Any human failing or mistake, even simply by association, is seen as a grounds for the most extreme condemnation including the ending of one's livelihood or future prospects.   Why can't we continue the good work to stop these bad behaviors while also showing greater forgiveness and humanity towards those involved?

Personally, I will continue to enjoy life including sports and other entertainment, while realizing those involved may be imperfect or even deeply flawed human beings at times. 

Vasav

August 29th, 2018 at 6:48 PM ^

Like most of us, I love football more than the average Michigan fan. I would stop watching, and I would be very sad.

If this happened but instead of a slap on the wrist Michigan or Harbaugh took forthright action to fire those who've done wrong, I'd keep watching. And still be shaken and sad.