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Early signing react: meh? I'm generally opposed to moving up the football signing period because it does little other than accelerate decisions that could use some more time, but adding a 3-day window in late December is a nothingburger. Almost all firings happen immediately after the regular season, so the chance players get locked into the wrong coaching staff is minimal. (Assistants can leave, of course, but they do that in the immediate aftermath of the February signing day now and will continue to do so.)

There is some clarity for soft commits and guys who are about to be processed: even Erik Swenson would probably get the hint if Michigan did not send him a LOI in December. That's a minor positive.

More important for Michigan is an ancillary change:

Northern teams could benefit, since in conjunction with the new date, the NCAA includes a rule that prospects will be allowed to take official visits (paid for by the school, and accompanied by a parent or high school coach) in April through June. This allows schools in cold climates to show a different, warmer side to top recruits.

I don't think the weather is the biggest thing for Northern teams. Kids from the South do understand that summer exists, I imagine. The biggest thing is just getting kids on campus. Talent is concentrated in the south, and many kids try to get decisions out of the way before their senior years. That change makes taking a trip to Ann Arbor much easier financially.

Also in slight boosts, Stanford might be hurt by the change:

For Stanford, an early signing period could indeed be catastrophic. It would face a situation in which talented, smart players want to sign early and take advantage of strong academics and be a part of the burgeoning football program, but could not allow them to sign because they are still far from clearing admissions. Those players, not willing to wait around, would lock up spots at other schools and Stanford's recruiting would take a hit.

These days virtually every player Stanford takes is a guy who would otherwise be a strong candidate to end up in Michigan's class. I keep waiting for them to implode, but nah.

There's also another NCAA proposal in the works that would slightly tighten up oversigning restrictions:

The legislation would limit to 25 the number of prospects whose aid is initially offered in the fall term of an academic year. Current rules limit to 25 the number of prospects allowed to sign from Dec. 1 through May 31.

A prospect whose scholarship paperwork specifies that he’ll be offered aid in the second or third term of an academic year may count toward the current academic year or the next year.

Transfers and walk-ons count. That ends "blueshirting", wherein a player does not sign but is promised a scholarship immediately on arrival. Blueshirting is a way to dodge these signing limits. This would make the 25 cap have more teeth, though early enrollment makes it a soft cap.

Michigan took advantage of that softness the past two years, taking 26 and 30 kids. They backdated six kids from the 2016 class and five from the 2017 class so that their initial counters in both years were exactly 25. They're now out of room to do that so 25 should be a hard cap for them this year—not that they're expected to get there.

Withdraw! Withdraw! ESPN had a draft conference call yesterday to plug the fact that they're televising the NBA combine—wonders never cease—and both guys on it were pretty blunt about what Michigan's two potential early entries should do:

Goodman: “The NBA guys I talked to said, ‘Moe Wagner, come back.’ It’s great that he played well at the end of the year, but it was a small sample size and they said, ‘He’s got good upside, but come back and become a better rebounder, become a better defender.'”

Fraschilla: “Neither (Wilson nor Wagner) is physically ready for the NBA. … DJ is really interesting because he’s the quintessential ‘3 and D’ big guy right now. He shoots threes and he’s got great length to defend. But even he got bullied inside. DJ could get drafted in the first round, late, but he ain’t playing in an important NBA game for at least a couple of years.”

We had an animated Slack conversation about this yesterday: Wilson would start his clock earlier if he entered this year, and some second round picks are getting guaranteed contracts these days. But if Fraschilla's right and he's going to spend a couple years not even playing that gives him a relatively narrow window to establish himself before he'd be a free agent. If the financial argument is relatively close, Wilson may want to spend a year playing for a Big Ten title and NCAA tournament run than hanging with the Fort Wayne Mad Antz or watching from the bench.

While we're on basketball rostering stuff, Rivals' Corey Evans talks to OH SF Jerome Hunter:

Michigan: “Me and coach Saddi Washington, we are real close, too. I talk to him pretty much every day about life. I like Michigan. They have good facilities and good academics."

He said nearly identical things (minus the academics) about OSU, Xavier, and Pitt; Evans says it's "anyone's guess" where he lands but most of the chatter at Spiece was about Michigan.

OH PF Pete Nance draws some lofty comparisons in this Andrew Kahn article. Michigan has a guy in their corner in his recruitment: Pete Hassinger, Jon Teske's former coach and a guy who has coached Nance on the AAU circuit:

Hassinger has gotten to know Beilein well over the past few years and admits he is biased towards the Wolverines. “It’s a great basketball program and great university. You come out of there with an unbelievable degree; it’s so prestigious.”

Nance "doesn't want to post up 50 times a game," sooooo... yeah. /waves

Five out. Kevin O'Connor writes about the evolution of the NBA 5, and it looks very familiar. Al Horford, a center and career 35% 3-point shooter, is the focus:

“[Al Horford’s] value to this team — you can’t describe it. It’s bigger than the stat sheet.” This was Celtics point guard Isaiah Thomas, speaking after his 53-point performance in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference semifinals against Washington last week. Thomas got all the glory. Statistically, Horford was ordinary, scoring just 15 points, grabbing 12 rebounds, and handing out three assists. But Horford was anything but a big-money bystander: The center’s play beyond the box score was an example of the immense impact stretch 5s can make across the league, even when they aren’t posting lofty numbers.

In previous eras, contenders relied on big men as a consistent source of offense. But in the new league, the most important thing someone like Horford can do for his team is to space the floor and make plays when he needs to. Young bigs across the league could learn a lot by watching Boston’s big man.

It is not a coincidence that Derrick Walton, who was terrible inside the arc as a sophomore and junior, had a huge uptick in his ability to get to the basket with the advent of Michigan's all stretch five lineups. Any center Michigan put on the floor, whether it was Wagner, Wilson, or Donnal, was not a person you should leave open from three. Pick and pop became a bigger facet of the offense than it had been under Beilein and the lane became a cavern.

Hopefully Nance (and Mo Bamba) are perusing this article as we speak.

Wayne Lyons 2.0? Michigan is looking for a grad transfer or two, and they've apparently settled on a target:

Wiggins started as a nickelback in 2014, missed 2015 with an ACL tear, and was sparingly used a year ago. Michigan is apparently set at the various spots Wiggins might fit in at but they have nothing but true freshmen behind the projected starters and could use a dime back a la Tyree Kinnel a year ago.

I'm still a little puzzled they didn't go after one of the tackles on the market. Must not have liked their film at all.

Yes please. I can't actually read this article because I don't subscribe to "Columbus Business First" but apparently OSU is considering a 4k seat rink for its hockey programs. This would be a massive improvement over the current situation where OSU plays in their basketball arena, which is almost as empty as your average NCAA regional game is.

Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin are all sporting new coaches who should be an improvement over the previous regime's performance during the Big Ten era; OSU appears to be fixing the biggest problem with their program; Notre Dame joins next year. Big Ten Hockey is set to go from a joke to a powerhouse. And they even fixed the playoff system (for the most part)!

The problem. Think of all the stuff ESPN televises. Surely no one live event is a significant part of the whole, right?

On the flip side, ESPN’s costs for content have skyrocketed to well over $7 billion a year, more than any competitor, according to projections from Boston Consulting Group and SNL Kagan. That compares to $5 billion by Netflix and $4.3 billion by NBC. Rights to “Monday Night Football” alone cost ESPN $1.9 billion a year, not to mention hefty deals with the NCAA and NBA.

More than a quarter of ESPN's rights fees are for one game a week, for one third of the year. And those games are chosen before the season! That is nuts. [HT: Get The Picture.]

Etc.: Spread offenses make more cornerbacks appear. Channing Stribling on Michigan's fractured locker room and repairing it.

Comments

Bo Schemheckler

May 10th, 2017 at 1:38 PM ^

I don't know the rules on official visits but if Michigan is practicing in South Africa next year in april could they pay to fly recruits out to visit practice as an official visit?

Rabbit21

May 10th, 2017 at 2:33 PM ^

Why?  When it comes to the Academic aspect, Michigan can compete with UCLA on even to slightly superior footing.  That's not the case with Stanford(sorry I don't make the rules) so as long as Stanford can offer high-level football with the academics Michigan is vulnerable to Devery Hamilton situations, thats not as much the case with UCLA.

HimJarbaugh

May 10th, 2017 at 3:12 PM ^

Is that much of a draw for Stanford recruits? Most of their roster appears to be undeclared or majors in something called "Science, Technology, and Society." I get that a Stanford degree and connections may be higher value than Michigan. Still, the academics thing seems mostly like an earthquake simulator and not a fast path to their engineering or business schools.

East German Judge

May 10th, 2017 at 9:16 PM ^

While we all understand that Stanford has rigorous academics and very selective admissions, even for football players, however, Stanford admissions department has created their own "problem".  They know that each year they will admit approximately 25 football players, and it is not conceivable that they will tell the AD that sorry, we have too many great non-athletic applicants and you can only admit 15 football players that year.  Thus, they can easily move up the admissions process for these football applicants.  If the Ivy League schools can do early admission, Stanford can figure it out also.

Mr Miggle

May 11th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^

programs and I wouldn't pretend to know how challenging the one you mentioned is. They still end up with a Stanford degree. Really, how is this different than Michigan? We push the value of the Michigan degree and the quality of our academics, but most of our players don't end up in the more challenging programs.

How is this not the pot calling the kettle black?

 

HimJarbaugh

May 11th, 2017 at 12:27 PM ^

Yes and there must be something else that is drawing people to Stanford beyond the academics, otherwise there wouldn't be so many players without a major less than a year before they are supposed to walk. Winning, campus, the alumni network, coaches, etc. I don't know.  

You are right that I have no idea how challenging those programs are and I am certainly not trying to imply that they won't have opportunities outside of football. I have a great deal of respect for Stanford.

corundum

May 10th, 2017 at 2:52 PM ^

Mostly because I want the Harbaugh disciples to succeed and keep building out his coaching tree. Plus I like Stanford more than the USCs of the Pac12. On the other hand, I really don't like Mora's personality and coaching style. They play in a stadium that's off campus, and even though it's the Rose Bowl, an off campus stadium is a travesty to CFB.

His Dudeness

May 10th, 2017 at 2:38 PM ^

It's that or be out of the game completely... I mean it's a ton of money (possibly literally?), but you can't NOT have live NFL games at all, right?

I don't even really like watching the NFL. I find it cold and borderline scripted, but people watch it like crazy and ESPN is a sports network. Kind of hard to go about being a sports network and not broadcast any live events of the most popular sport in the nation.

I Like Burgers

May 10th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^

People get this wrong all the time about ESPN's NFL deal.  Its not $1.9B per year for just Monday Night Football.  Its $1.9B for ALL NFL football.  Which means that not only can they broadcast the game, they can also fill their countless studio shows and Sportscenter with nonstop NFL footage.  That's something that CBS and NBC definitely don't have a need to pay for, and not even Fox shows as much NFL footage since they are busy pumping out hot takes all day long.

Wolverine In Iowa 68

May 10th, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^

I don't fully get the Weather argument.

 

I do to an extent, but come on, most of the southern kids with talent have every intention of trying to make in the NFL.  What are they going to do, refuse to sign a guaranteed contract with Green Bay or Boston because it's too cold for them?

Seems like they'd appreciate an opportunity to acclimate to it over their college years a bit, but maybe I'm using too much logic. 

corundum

May 10th, 2017 at 2:03 PM ^

On top of that, there aren't any outside games after Thanksgiving in CFB, so it's not like they have to play in single digits in Dec, Jan, or Feb. I think it has to do with the lifestyle angle where you can't do much outside if you've never been exposed to winter sports and it's cold going from place to place as far as nightlife goes for 3-4 months of winter. Hard to comprehend for someone from the Midwest, but it could be an issue for someone who has only seen snow once in their lifetime.

dragonchild

May 10th, 2017 at 2:16 PM ^

You've got 200 pounds of meat on you, you're signing up to hit and get hit by human cannonballs for four hours a day, having three fingers dislocated is called "a good practice", and the media keeps insisting these kids curl into fetal position and start crying because strange white stuff is falling outside?

I grew up in an area with almost no snow.  I was fascinated by the stuff.  I was geeked to be knee-deep in it, and I'm as tough as a pillow.  The people I know who hate snow aren't from the south; they live IN MICHIGAN.  Because they deal with the stuff every year, and are sick of it.

The difficulty in getting kids to leave the south is the distance from family.  We've had success with recruits who have roots in Michigan, but if your family through four generations has never left, say, Louisiana or Georgia. . . snow is nothing for someone physically as tough as nails, but that don't help you against homesickness.  And at least as often, it's the parents who don't want their kids to be that far away.

getsome

May 10th, 2017 at 3:58 PM ^

the ability of friends and family to conveniently and consistently travel to most games, enjoy tailgates, maintain more active presence in student-athletes college life, etc certainly play s significant factor in many families decisions.  obviously depends on how heavily the prospect and family weigh location vs other key factors but its an issue

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

May 11th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^

I think you'd be surprised.  Obviously I hang out on UVA sites with some frequency.  People down south really do assume the north is a cold, bleak, miserable place that nobody in their right mind wants to even visit, let alone live in.  "It's cold, I'm not gonna bother" is definitely a mindset.  It's a stereotype they have and many people really have no interest in having their minds changed.  Official visits being limited to cold season only reinforces that.

Rabbit21

May 11th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^

Similar attitudes are expressed on UCLA boards and among the folks I talk to in Nashville.  The weather really is an big issue for people and I hear a lot of "How can someone who lives somewhere warm possible consider the frozen hellscape of the midwest?"  I find the attitude inexplicable, but then again my wife made me leave Michigan because she couldn't handle the weather.

Quailman

May 10th, 2017 at 2:21 PM ^

Someone always says this when weather gets brought up. 

No, when they get drafted they arent going to refuse to get paid to play in Buffalo or GB. They dont have a choice on where they go and its the NFL.

But right now, in college, not getting paid-paid...? They have a choice where to play football (and also live and go to class the rest the time), and its not a bad to be able to pick sunny Calfornia for 3-5 years if thats your bag. 

And I dont think they need 3+ years to "acclimate" to the weather in the league. 

bronxblue

May 10th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^

We are talking about 16 and 17 year olds, and along with weather concerns I think there's a bit of "look at the coeds here not bundled in parkas" appeal to some of these men that warmer climates enjoy. I doubt weather is ever a huge selling point one way or another, but it probably does matter.

Alton

May 10th, 2017 at 2:20 PM ^

According to Variety, ESPN charged an average of $372K for 30 seconds of commercial time during Monday Night Football.

(Source:  http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tv-ad-prices-football-walking-dead-empi…).

ESPN can sell what, about 45 minutes of commercials during the game?  That's $33 million of commercial sales.  You would have a hard time convincing me that the intrinsic value of having Monday Night Football makes up for the $67 million per game that they are losing.

stephenrjking

May 10th, 2017 at 2:30 PM ^

I think their argument is that they need that programming to justify the fees they charge cable companies to carry them on their standard tiers.

Which, of course, are getting disconnected by the millions these days anyway. But perhaps they think it will be even worse if they don't have MNF?

I don't know, MNF hasn't been must-see TV for me for a long time. I have a hard time believing that it makes much of a difference with cable customers anymore. 1.9 billion per year is absolutely insane. 

HimJarbaugh

May 10th, 2017 at 3:11 PM ^

It keeps getting worse with a schedule that is not flexible and Sean McDonough in the booth. Plus, NFL viewership overall fell 8% last year and many think it will drop again despite no election. The fact is, NFL ratings are flatlining to declining and ESPN is left holding the leaky bag.

I Like Burgers

May 10th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^

But its not just the game that they have rights to for $1.9B a year.  That deal also includes rights to show NFL footage on Sportscenter, NFL Live, First Take, Sportsnation, Mike and Mike (RIP), Outside the Lines, E:60, etc., etc.  ALL of those studio shows rely heavily on the NFL for content.  That's why ESPN is paying so much more than CBS, NBC, and Fox.  None of those networks (especially NBC and CBS) have a need for that content which is why they pay half as much as ESPN.

The deal is really more like $900M for Monday Night Football and $1B for NFL rights for all of the shows on their networks.

Alton

May 10th, 2017 at 4:08 PM ^

Thanks.  Even at $50 million per game, I still think they must be losing money on the deal.  I wouldn't think that they are charging that much more per household just based on that, so those $33 million worth of commercials per game still are short of the amount they are paying.

ST3

May 10th, 2017 at 2:24 PM ^

That article is very confusing to me. It says the team was segregated during the 11-2 season, but Hoke got the players to play as a team and the record went south. I just don't understand what the point of that interview is.

It took a minute for that strength and resolve to take ahold. The factions seemed to continue the next season, as the discombobulated Wolverines failed to make a bowl game for the first time in Hoke's tenure.

A minute? Or a whole f'ing season? That interview raises more questions than it answers.

VicTorious1

May 10th, 2017 at 2:47 PM ^

"A minute" in slang means a relatively long while.  It's not used as a short measurement of time as it seems it should.  I remember the first time a buddy of mine in grad school heard me use it colloquially like that and he was confused.

LKLIII

May 10th, 2017 at 3:35 PM ^

It's a poorly written article, but the way I read it is as follows:

 

  • Hoke comes in.  There factions within the football PROGRAM.  I think what they mean is the factions among different alumni bases, former players, etc.  Basically pro-RR guys, former Lloyd guys, etc.
  • Then the article says "but the LOCKERROOM" was about to get worse.  To me, it sounds like the RR lockerroom was fairly united (or about to fall apart), but not that bad.  It was the adults/alum/boosters that were warring when Hoke came in and theoretically united them right away.
  • The 11-2 season hits.  The alum/booster base is perhaps united behind Hoke, but the lockerroom was starting to unravel.  Maybe it started under RR and was still on trajectory to break apart.  Through a bit of luck (IMO, that 11-2 season did not "feel" like an 11-2 season), they had a good season.
  • Then the lockerroom started having truly bad issues in 2013 took a dip.  Hoke saw this and stepped in to try to rectify it.
  • The reforms took hold, but there was a lag period.  Factions still existed in the 2014 season, but were getting better (although on the outside, the fans/alumni base were now at an all time negative against Hoke).
  • Harbaugh steps and in is the beneficiary of a somewhat united locker room.
  • Win.

 

Kind of a pointless article.  The lockeroom unity was not a 1:1 correlation with winning or losing.  It's like it was somewhat united under Hoke at first, he lost it, then it was starting to come back together, but then he got fired before they could truly turn the corner.

 

Again, confusing article.

Kevin13

May 10th, 2017 at 3:41 PM ^

Recruiting can be long and dragged out process and by December there are definitely kids that are tired of it and just want it done. Committing doesn't end it as coaches from other schools will continue to bug you and the school you committed to has to continue to recruit you.

If you have a handful of kids from each class that want to sign early then let them. Takes pressure off of them and coaches they committed to don't have to continue to recruit them and can spend more time on the uncommitted players out there.

bronxblue

May 10th, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

The early signing period, I assume, will just cut into the number of offers sent to lower-ranked guys by top teams and increase the number of offers to these same kids from lower schools. So in the end, you'll have some kids gambling on themselves to get a higher offer while other teams fill up their recruiting classes quickly. Those teams will get some diamonds in the rough as a result, which means Iowa and NW are going to be pains in the asses some years.

NeilGoBlue

May 10th, 2017 at 5:21 PM ^

FWIW,

 

In 2012 I was a get together with former players and managers, and Hoke was there. (Sorry, haven't hobnobbed with Harbaugh yet, he's to busy recruiting. 

Hoke and I talked extensivley about recruiting and the advantages that the south had.  He thought the fact that you couldn't have summer offical visits  was a big advantage to the southern schools and a big disadvantage to Michigan.  He was so adamant about the advantage it was, he thought it would never change.

I know, Hoke, bad coach, yada, yada yada.. But this seems like a real win for us. 

Maynard

May 10th, 2017 at 10:09 PM ^

The early signing period is a good thing, especially for those guys who want to get the decision out of the way and concentrate on the rest of their school year without having to be pressured (read: harassed) by a bunch of recruiters. It's not as if they have to decide by that point. It's just another option.