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Brian

Hello Hibbitts. Brent Hibbitts did decide to sign on with Michigan as a preferred walk-on over various MAC and other mid-major offers. This is more notable than most other walk-on acquisitions because Hibbits has intriguing size—he's 6'8"—and had a high level of interest from D-I programs. His skill set also fits in with Michigan:

Hibbitts averaged 17.4 points and 11.5 rebounds per game as a senior at Hudsonville last season, earning Associated Press Class A All-State honorable mention status and leading the Eagles to a district championship.

"He has a really nice skill set," Hudsonville coach Eric Elliott told MLive last Wednesday. "He can handle the ball, is a great passer with court vision and has a nice shooting touch. Interested schools see him as a stretch four. That's his ideal position."

There's a lot of competition at that spot presently, but give Hibbitts some time and there's a nonzero chance he's a contributor late in his career. I mean, we all know where the Stain Train started.

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Weirder things have happened.

This is about to change. It already has with Dennis Norfleet's exit, in fact. It is a breakdown of attrition in the Big Ten:

TEAM 2011 2012 2013 2014 TOTAL
IOWA 10 8 7 0 25
Rutgers 10 3 5 1 19
Michigan 14 1 2 1 18
Illinois 8 5 3 1 17
Ohio State 11 4 0 1 16
Nebraska 6 4 5 1 16
Minnesota 6 3 4 2 15
Maryland 7 5 2 0 14
Penn State 4 3 5 1 13
Wisconsin 1 4 4 3 12
Purdue 2 5 2 2 11
Indiana 7 1 3 0 11
Michigan State 5 4 1 0 10
Northwestern 0 2 2 0 4

That is spectacular on Michigan's part. The 2011 class rivaled 2010 in flameouts, and then virtually nobody left for three years. There's about to be a major uptick, but at least Michigan retained the bulk of their prospects before the inevitable attrition that comes with a coaching turnover.

Iowa is pretty salty about what's going on there BTW:

In all of the non-Iowa seasons in which a program lost 10 or more players -- 2011 Michigan, Ohio State and Rutgers -- a coach had left, with the new coach either cleaning house (Meyer, Hoke/Harbaugh) or failing to keep the last coach's guys (Flood).  Iowa, of course, has no such impetus for big attrition.

That is especially galling when Wisconsin and Michigan State are quality redshirt-and-develop programs with recruiting approximately on Iowa's level. It seems impossible that Ferentz will get Iowa back to even B+ football before his buyout reaches plausibility.

DAYTON. ONLY DAYTON. I mean.

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A video posted by Aubrey Dawkins (@siraubreydawkins) on

If Hibbitts had been offered by Dayton he would have gotten a full hello post, I think.

Overseas options hit hockey. I don't think this is going to be a trend since 18-year-olds can just go play in the NHL if they're that good, but uber-prospect Auston Matthews is at least considering the option of spending next year in Switzerland:

The Everett Silvertips of the Western Hockey League hold his junior rights after selecting him in the third round of the 2012 bantam draft. A report from Switzerland’s Blick News Service on Sunday said Matthews had signed a contract to play for the Zurich Lions in the Swiss A League.

He denied that report, but said he was keeping all options—including the A League—open. It was doubtful Matthews was going to sign on with Michigan, and more doubtful after the Copp stuff broke. It would have been fun to see him in college anyway.

HATIN' ASS MICHIGAN SPURRIER. The fruits of your labors, ladies and gentlemen:

Notre Dame players hit that "Play Like A Champion Today" sign, and dang if they don't look like a ten dollar sweatshirt you got in 1993.

Don't think Michigan fans should be torn up about the Notre Dame rivalry ending. If they want to play a religious school that goes .500 against USC, Boston College is free.

Rudy and The Lego Movie are basically the same story, except nobody pretends The Lego Movie is a documentary.

Bielfeldt is on the move. Any remaining hopes that Michigan might hang on to Max Bielfeldt are now gone, and it is definitely the coaching staff's choosing.

"I did tell the coaches that I did want to come back to Michigan," Bielfeldt said. "But at the end of the day things didn't work out and we both decided to move on."

Bielfedlt added, "I told (coaches) that I wanted to stay (and) Michigan was my first choice but as time went on I had to explore other options."

That is odd since it doesn't look like they are going to fill their 13th spot this year. I am more enthused about Ricky Doyle than most people but even I think Bielfeldt is a backup plan worth having when you have major questions about the guys behind him.

Etc.: Sierra Romero is ESPNW's softballist of the year. The Longhorn Network is a disaster. Jay Mariotti still has Jay Mariotti opinions. Rudock profiled. Remember this site calling the pursuit of Jim Harbaugh the "Harbaugh Hail Mary?" Here's a Harbaugh Hail Mary. On the shoe wars. Exposure U details.

Comments

Erik_in_Dayton

May 12th, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^

...wants to ensure playing time for Doyle/Donnal/Wilson, which might be hard to do if Max was still on the team and outplaying them in practice.  Why not have him back otherwise?

Lanknows

May 12th, 2015 at 6:11 PM ^

Despite his freshman limitations, Doyle is clearly the starter and the only pure center on the roster. He will play as many minutes as he can stand.  Bielfeldt's role would have come at the expense of Donnal and Wilson.

Bielfedt was clearly better than Donnal last year, but it's reasonable to assume that Donnal's rate of improvement will close most if not all of the gap. They have similar skillsets and limitations.  Max has an edge in physicality and experience, but Donnal has a little more upside and size. Coaching can negate Max's advantages.

To me, the decision reflects confidence in Donnal especially (and Wilson maybe even Wagner if they want to do the Smotrycz at Center change-of-pace thing.)  If they didn't believe in those guys they could have brought Max back and rode out the season until Davis and Teske arrived.  Bringing Bielfeldt back would have been a bit of a slap in the face to Donnal. Letting him walk reflects the staff's belief in Donnal. 

I would consider that good news for Michigan given that they've had him now for 2 years. If we see a Morgan/Horford caliber evolution from Donnal he could be a significant asset off the bench over the next couple of seasons.

mlGOBLUE

May 13th, 2015 at 10:39 AM ^

Went to the Hudsonville vs Muskegon playoff game since it was local, and to check out Deyonta Davis.  Didn't know Hibbits, but noticed him quickly.  While Davis is obviously an elite recruit, what a contrast in effort and character.  Davis loafed like crazy and just waited for a chance to show his skills.  Hibbets hustled his ass off and played really well in all aspects of the game (and led the way to quadruple overtime), while Davis fouled out on a technical (slammed the ball and complained after being called for another foul).   I'm not delusional -  I know Davis is an All-American, but Hibbits sure looks like the kind of player that could thrive under Beilein and staff.

jbeck224

May 12th, 2015 at 5:16 PM ^

Would be a reason not to have Max back; they'll give the scholarship to a walk-on, right? Maybe they offered it to Hibbitts for a year.

ohheydude1

May 12th, 2015 at 6:26 PM ^

This could be the case - but I wouldn't bet on it.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see Michigan add a transfer or bring in a late bloomer like they have done regularly during JB's tenure (Spike, Max, Caris, MAAR, Dawkins).  

Letting Max go leaves this team very thin at C.  Donnal was hardly viable last season while Wilson remains a complete unkown.  An injury to Doyle could have major repercussions.  Due to those concerns I expect Michigan to find another big.  I don't know who it will be or where it will come from - but I think there will be another large human on the roster this season. 

FrankMurphy

May 12th, 2015 at 5:19 PM ^

I remember the "Harbaugh Hail Mary" game. That was the 1996 AFC Championship Game, I think ('95-'96 was also Harbaugh's best season as an NFL quarterback). The post on MGoVideo makes it seem like Aaron Bailey blew it on that play, but it would have been really tough for him to catch that ball in traffic. 

Fun fact: both the QB (Harbaugh) and the receiver (Bailey) on that play were former Pioneer High School students.

Smoothitron

May 12th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^

Thanks for ripping the scab right off that wound with that dropped hail mary.  9-year-old me had never been so devastated, and wouldn't be again until Bulls-Pacers '98.

WolvinLA2

May 12th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^

A) That is the whitest hoops highlight video I've ever watched.  Kinda surprised the background music wasn't Michael W Smith.

B) Hibbits looks solid though.  Not a ton of athleticism, but good handles for a dude that big and looks like a solid stroke.  I'm surprised he doesn't have more offers than he has.

cutter

May 12th, 2015 at 6:11 PM ^

You wrote that there's going to be inevitable attrition, but when does that happen?

Examinations for the winter terms ended almost two weeks ago and the grades should be posted, so perhaps there are other academic casualties on the horizon.

There has been discussion about players not be able to continue due to medical conditions.  I believe Chris Fox is one name that gets mentioned most often.

But what is so inevitable about the attrition under Harbaugh?  It's clear that Hoke's recruiting classes largely stuck around even when they didn't have much success on the field.  But with a new coach in place, perhaps the bulk of the player's thinking is that they now have the guy in place who will get them winning on a consistent basis.  You know the old saying--"Those Who Stay Will Be Champions".

We'll see what happens because there are certainly depth chart issues at some positions, with the most prominent in my mind being quarterback.  But OTOH, this senior/fifth year class is so small (now 15 with all the graduate transfers and the departures) while the number of juniors on scholarship is 27.  So if you're an underclassmen and you see that there is going to be some major turnover in the coming two years just do to players graduating, etc., then it makes sense to stick around and tough it out.  This will go from a veteran team to a relatively young one between now and the beginning of the 2017 season.

There's one more thing to think about here.  David Brandon may be gone, but one message he gave to every player in the football team is that very few of them are going to be in the NFL and that their average time there is 3.7 years--less than the time they are in college.  So while some guys might be buried on the depth chart or they may not have the greatest relationship with the coaching staff, they do understand the worth of the degree (and of getting their M rings) in their post collegiate lives.

We'll see what happens, but I won't be surprised if there's actually very little attrition, i.e., transfers, for the next few years. 

Ihatebux

May 12th, 2015 at 9:56 PM ^

From what I can tell in the videos Hibbetts looks like a much better all around bball player than Donnel did in HS.  Despite being a few inches shorter, he sure plays taller on the inside, handles the ball better and shots better.   I wonder if the coaches haven't told him something about a possible opening in the future.

WolvinLA2

May 12th, 2015 at 10:28 PM ^

I disagree.  Donnal's HS film looked really good.  He showed off WAY more athleticism and had at least as much, but probably more, outside shooting.  I agree it looks like Hibbitts has better handles than Donnal, but that's about it.  

Donnal also showed off post moves, and it looks like Hibbitts might be a liability in that regard.  Hibbitts reminds me a lot more of Smotrycz than Donnal.  Not in terms of talent, but in the type of player.  Smotrycz had a much better outside shot, of course. 

Elmer

May 13th, 2015 at 9:18 AM ^

Interesting comparison.  Other than shooting, Hibbitts is more skilled and has better agility.  He looks like an athletically limited 2G/SF at times.

Donnal looked bigger and much stronger in high school.  He had some decent post moves, but wasn't taking people off the dribble, flashing spin moves or throwing no-look passes.

Both played on the ground...no confusing either with Dawkins or GR3.

Hibbitts is the ultimate test for Sanderson.  If he becomes stronger and more explosive, I could see substantial minutes for him in a couple years.

umumum

May 13th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^

Slightly different skill set, but skill-wise I think Hibbitts projects somewhere around Max and Donnal.  Donnal's outside shooting may kick him higher--at least I'm hoping.  That said, Hibbitts being a preferred walk-on shows that we are at least deeper recruiting-wise these days.  Hibbitts would likely have gotten a scholly a few years ago.

HANCOCK

May 13th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^

I have never dunked a basketball in my life, but am I the only person who just doesn't find dunks to be that impressive?

 

Like, it is basically something that should be expected based on a persons physical ability. If you are 6'5" with a 45 inch vert, I expect you to dunk. So no dunk you "throwdown" will ever come across as all that impressive, or exciting....it is just a dunk. You are 6'5'' and jump high. This should be normal.

 

I would compare it to throwing a baseball 90-95 mph. Yeah, it is great, but once you do it the first time, it is sort of expected from you. You dont see people at a ballgame getting all excited and jumping up and down over a 1st pitch fastball at 95.

 

Sure, if someone is throwing 103 mph, it is pretty cool...just like someone dunking from the free throw line is pretty cool. And dunk contests can be pretty cool (if there are...you know....athletes involved).

 

The video in the post above with the kid making a 3 pointer and then dunking the ball doesnt impress me at all....I would never be able to do it, but for any decent basketball player who dunks, it looks routine.