How do you pick up the threads of an old life? [Bryan Fuller]

Preview 2021: Five Questions, Five Answers, Defense Comment Count

Seth September 1st, 2021 at 10:50 AM

Previously in 2021: The Story. Podcast 13.0A. Podcast 13.0B. Podcast 13.0C. 5Q5A Offense: 2021. Last year: 5Q5A Defense: 2020. Defensive End. Defensive Tackle. Linebacker. Cornerback. Safety. Special Teams.

As with the offense, we are going from saddest question towards hope.

1. Do they give up 100 to Ohio State?

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Not a great matchup [Bryan Fuller]

The standard has been set: If Ryan Day’s offense can’t score 100 on Michigan’s defense this year with the kind of talent they’ve acquired, he is a failure and Ohio State must jettison all of their coaches and start over. Can the Wolverines do anything to make sure that happens?

We had an entire article in HTTV about the ways Ohio State, Alabama, and Clemson have broken the game. I could show you all the data to demonstrate that those schools’ advantages are well beyond anything even in the top-heavy history of college football. It’s certainly not fun. And the people in charge aren’t even smart enough to understand it’s a problem. Michigan could “sell its soul” to be like Ohio State and it wouldn’t change the math. Kirby Smart’s Georgia is in the running for the scuzziest program in the history of the game, recruits like bonkers in the best place to do it, and even they haven’t broken through.

But we don’t really need to overcome the systemic rot of a thoroughly broken institution. We need to win a college football game. Which is way, way more doable. Last year’s Buckeyes beat IU by a touchdown, and they were in a dogfight with Northwestern until turnover luck turned both games. Penn State played them close in 2019. The year before that Ohio State got boat-raced by Purdue, barely beat Penn State and Nebraska, and needed a guy named Piggy to miss an open receiver in the endzone to not surrender the Big Ten East title to Michigan a week before The Game. The last time they visited Ann Arbor, Michigan had the ball down 2 scores with 12 minutes to go and the blocking to make it 1 score. Also JK Dobbins dribbled the ball. College football games are dumb, and Ohio State has been riding a wave of good fortune as effectual as the bad luck that’s plagued Harbaugh. We reject this because human brains would rather shape information into nonsense than accept the existence of no sense. But luck is just luck.

And here comes my one crazy statement: I think Mike Macdonald probably gives Michigan a better chance of winning a dumb football game against Ohio State than Don Brown, or at least Macdonald’s philosophy does, because it ratchets up the degree to which the result is determined by luck. I don’t believe Michigan upgraded DCs—Brown deserved his fate but he’s still a coaching legend while Macdonald is a first-time coordinator. Don Brown’s system made the ultimate sense: I dare you to beat my players at something hard. Most college teams didn’t have the talent to do that to Michigan’s talent and that led to elite performances. But even at BC, when the talent ledger angled enough the other way, Brown’s defenses got rolled.

Offenses are at such an advantage these days (for regulatory as well as schematic reasons) that anybody’s defense can get shredded no matter the talent. The smart coaches long ago learned to shift their understanding of the game from a military perspective of winning field position to the basketball paradigm of winning possessions.

Macdonald’s philosophy—or at least the Grantham/Ravens ideas he comes from—is more of a gamble. I dare you to find where I left the weak spot…NOPE NOT THERE!

Ohio State with Justin Fields could break those traps on the regular, but Ohio State with CJ Stroud? It could work. A lot of young NFL quarterbacks threw mistakes into the amorphous fronts that the Ravens showed. And this has nothing to do with the front; the way they play zone is to risk having guys out of position by having fast defensive backs get to places they weren’t supposed to threaten by alignment.

They can probably get away with that with Dax Hill.

Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson and the other mercenaries who can’t name a non-athlete graduate of the university they’re loosely affiliated with will get theirs. They're extremely talented, well-coached, hyper-football-focused players who are better than our players. In 2019 Ohio State scored a TD on 8/11 non-garbage drives against Michigan. If you can get that down to 5/11 by putting more of the game the outcome of dice rolls, do you care that those five came on coverage busts instead of a dusted cornerback? This is how Indiana approached it as well, and with even luck they win a title. If you want a nonsensical result, ratchet up the nonsense. The worst that can happen is you still lose 98-39, which isn’t going to cut it for Ryan Day.

That’s all I’ve got.

[After THE JUMP: More dumb football.]

2. How do you run a 5-2 in 2021?

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Going outside. [Patrick Barron]

You make the whole thing out of Aidan Hutchinson. Michigan had two unsolvable problems under Don Brown: DT and CB. They’re addressing the first by hoping three defensive linemen can stop the bleeding inside. Even when Michigan had their defensive ends last year they were forcing Hutchinson and Paye to play more B-gaps—a “soft” edge—in order to spill the play outside where their athletes could rally.

This is the first play of last year, but it might have stood for the last two years. Kemp gets blown out, Hutchinson starts from the edge and two-gaps a guy to stuff it.

That’s the kind of thing we had to do in order to stop inside running. Eventually you just say “hell let’s put another guy in there” and live without a linebacker. That frees up Hutchinson to harden the edge, and if they want to try to get around him because he’s not a linebacker, Red says good luck.

What they’re giving up is the Viper, who related to the tight end, whom they’ll chip with the OLB and cover with a safety, as most teams do, or an ILB, as the Ravens often did. Okay, your eyes are welcome to roll as Michigan tries to convert its front into the Baltimore Ravens once again. The Ravens are a very unique team. Allow me to pull out my BEEF CHART from HTTV:

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I haven’t updated the weights from the new rosters but if you saw “Juggernaut” flanked by a 336-pound guy and Chris Wormley, and those guys flanked by 265- and 275-pound defensive ends, you start to get what we mean by Line Beef.

The point of that beef is to shut off the interior gaps, period. You would have to be insane, or Woody Hayes (the same thing), and have a fullback to even attempt it. The line is there to eat the offensive line, leaving the linebackers and secondary free to react and get to the ball. What most teams do to beat this is try to run around it, but that takes a TE winning a strength contest. The frontside OLB has some LB in him, but 6’3”/248 OLB Jarvis Jones’s first job here is put up a roadblock:

OLB on the folded ribbon at the bottom

They make it work in the NFL for two reasons. One is they threw cap space into defensive backs who can cover anybody in man. In this they’re no different than Brown, who liked to trust his DBs in man with help inside, have five guys rushing the quarterback, and usually brought the fifth from the linebacker level, ultimately creating a lighter 5-2. Brown’s run defense worked best when he had Hurst and Glasgow at DT, and Winovich and Peppers/Hudson setting an edge to force the ball back inside, with a linebacker ghosting for cutback lanes. It stopped working when he no longer had the DTs to stand up to brute force inside, and when he used the DEs to fix that he bent the rest of his run defense out of shape.

Brown knew this and tried to play small man 3-4. Here’s last year’s 5-2 with Hutchinson and Josh Ross(!) as the OLBs and Paye as the playside DT:

You want Hawkins to set the edge better (he wouldn’t have gotten held if he didn’t come down too far inside) but he’s in tough because there’s not enough meat in Ross and Paye to stand up to the beef.

Adding a nose guard is functionally the same as flinging an extra LB at the line of scrimmage, except a tank isn’t getting lost or ejected, and the tanks next to him aren’t either. The key to playing this way is no different than Brown’s fronts. And like Brown’s fronts when they worked, the key was setting a hard edge. This is also how the Ravens play:

Watch Judon on far left taking on two TEs to close the front door before McPhee slams the back door.

The job of that “OLB” is hard. They have to be strong enough to beat back blocks, agile enough to fight through them, and fast enough to close down the edge. Ironically this is the way opponents forced Don Brown’s defenses to play, because they did not have the right beef for it. This was a play made by Aidan Hutchinson playing the equivalent of Chris Wormley’s job in the BEEF CHART:

The guy playing the role of 2021 Aidan Hutchinson here is Michael Barrett. He has the D gap between the TE that Hutchinson ruined and the TE on the edge.

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Here’s another play with Hutchinson lined up inside, but standing up(!) outside of him is his doppelganger Kwity Paye standing up as an “OLB” might in a 3-4:

The early spreads were so effective because all those slow, fullback-eating 4-3 linebackers couldn’t keep up with slot receivers and quarterbacks. Today everyone runs base nickel out there, and Brown liked them even smaller. It was a good idea, but it was also liable to getting beefcaked. Wisconsin took this to the extreme:

That play happens because Dax Hill ends up being the force guy and he is taken for a ride into Brad Hawkins by a fullback. Brown dared you to win matchups, and each week opponents gamed up ways to make those matchups physical. The Don Brown response would be to fling the little bodies upfield and cave the line. Vilain didn’t cave the line, Dax didn’t fling, and Brown is gone.

Wisconsin themselves showed how to make this easier on themselves by widening the front, asking the guy in Vilain’s role to be a hard edge instead of an inside-out pusher. The cornerback sets the edge here but the OLB #41 eats a double of Eubanks and Charbonnet to hold the line.

Brian said on the podcast that guy is a linebacker (it’s 6’2”/240 Noah Burks). While correct, that’s not a linebacker play. It’s an end’s play. His job is to be the wall that stops the run from getting outside.

Naturally you might ask what happens when the offense goes back to a spread and punishes those DEs for being not linebackers. The answer is Michigan changes personnel to a Nickel. Or a 5-1-5. Or a 3-2-6. They could very well start against WMU with the same personnel (minus Kwity) that they did last year. The 5-2 isn’t an answer to spread football. It’s the answer to the answer to spread defense.

3. When can I open my eyes again when a QB drops back and isn’t immediately pressured?

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Come back Jourdan [Eric Upchurch]

Next year. This year, well, we don’t know what the heck kind of coverage it’s going to be. Probably a lot more of a base Cover 2 than they were previously, and a mix of Cov1 and Cov3 as their changeup, but really: I do not know. The program has made sure the insiders don’t see anything of value. The coaches are mum, even in private, even after Linguist was replaced with Clinkscale. Conflicting practice reports only tell us they won’t just be one thing.

It doesn’t matter however because there is no such thing as zone defense if the offense is running vertical routes at all of them. Any team can draw up a receiver versus a deep corner and his sideline buddy, because that sort of play is supposed to be a big advantage for the offense. So we’re back to whether Michigan can find two corners who can handle that, and going from there.

I think Gemon Green is fine, borderline good. There’s a Green-hatin fan out there whom we’re arguing with in our heads who’s probably just the ref who let this atrocious OPI go. After Gray got beat a few times Green was glued to Rashod Bateman and shut him down. Here I point out that Green’s effectiveness went beyond the cornerbackin’ parts of cornerbacking. This was A+ safety work, waiting out a loooooong mesh point to get back the TE seam Minnesota was trying to open up, and almost get a pick.

Ricky White Day indeed kicked off with Green getting beat, but he also got back in phase and had his hand on the ball. If this isn’t so well thrown he knocks it loose.

His other contributions to THAT were getting too grabby on a corner route, looking back too early on a rare Lombardi miss, and overreacting to the fade and giving up a dig. Later in the season Green was victimized like everybody else by the switch to zone, which he continued to play like man.

#22 CB at the bottom

This was a play people put on Ross because he was the only guy on screen, and because we’re so used to Cover 1 that not covering the RB feels like an LB issue. In a Cover 2 the CB has to get off his guy when he leaves the zone, and crash back down on the flat. Those are not “you don’t have it” bad plays, and he cleaned them up as he got more comfortable. PFF confirmed my assertion on the podcast that he was, by results, a top-five CB in the Big Ten.

The question then is can they find anybody who can cover a damn fade on the other side. There’s no way to know that from reports of DJ Turner II passing Vincent Gray, because they can’t exactly hype Gray after last season. It’s plausible. There’s nothing about Turner’s play when he got in last year that suggests he’s the solution. He was not available for MSU, which was the best news of the offseason because otherwise we would have to explain why he was behind Jalen Perry. The first thing Turner did when he got on the field was put his arm around a Wisconsin WR when he didn’t need to.

That guy then grabbed Turner’s helmet and tackled him but that call always goes to the offense. That was all we charted of him last year. I wrote this guy’s Hello post and have read Brian’s recruiting profile (YMRMFSPA Brandon Watson) of him six times. He wants to play press man cornerback, he had a 4.6 forty, he’s heady, and he had “change of direction” listed as a thing to work on.

There has also been little to no word about the guys down the depth chart except George Johnson III, the converted QB who should still be a year away. Mighty mite Andre Seldon? Nothing. Four-star Darion Green-Warren? Nada. True freshman Ja’Den McBurrows: nothing from the program, a sliver “I like him a lot” from one of the people I talk to. Former slot Eamonn Dennis got a mention in spring. The talk is all Green on one side and DJ Turner passing Vincent Gray.

My pet theory--and this is a very Michigan Fan from the 1990s theory--is that good offensive teams don't exploit their advantages on fly routes enough because they're inherently low-percentage completions. Teams with slow corners have kiting it on OC cowardice; teams with a major talent advantage want to press that advantage slowly and inexorably, not play the odds over too few trials. Since Michigan's slow CBs were exposed against MSU, and since few teams believe they have a talent advantage over Michigan up front even when they absolutely do, it's open season until a hunter dies. At least we've been practicing it a lot.

4. Why are there walk-ons all over my two-deep?

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Because we good. [Patrick Barron]

We heard about quite a few of them this offseason, so I figured we should go over each and they might mean for the defense in order of how likely they are to play.

DT JESS SPEIGHT – 6’5”/310 has played in 14 games and started one—the Citrus Bowl versus Alabama. At that point he was a recently converted OL playing because Kemp was injured. Brian didn’t UFR that one, and I only went back to do the offense so we don’t have numbers for how that went, but it went. He got in last year against Wisconsin at nose and came in for two half positives that equaled a +1/-0 day. There is video of this:

Speight might start over Hinton, which would mean sad things for our latest 5-star DT from Georgia. More likely Speight is rotating with Hinton and Jeter as the fourth DT (with Mazi), and that would really be fine. The guys it affects are Julius Welschof, who’s got to learn the game all over again now, Kris Jenkins, who was a year away by our most optimistic prognoses, and like, true freshmen. Speight was ahead of all of those guys—except maybe Juice—last year and the year before, if they were even on campus. Two years after starting and mostly surviving against Alabama, Speight could very well be an unspectacular role player who does a very important thing for the defense very well. Verdict: Good for Speight, unless he starts over Hinton.

S CADE KOLESAR –  6’0”/196. The son of Johnny Kolesar, grandson of Bill, and grandnephew of Robert, Caden played for Cleveland power Lakewood St. Edwards and was a freshman here in 2019. He went to the regional opening and put up a 4.61 forty, 4.18 (elite) shuttle, and 32.7 vertical. Not coming from nowhere either—he was mentioned as soon as he hit campus by Harbaugh as a special teams contributor, and has been on the field in that role. Now entering his third season, he’s getting talked up as being “on the two-deep” and multiple times observers told me Cade intercepted a pass in fall, the latest with an athletic stab off a tipped McNamara post. Kolesar’s wingspan isn’t great, but that burst and agility could be lethal in a Cover 2 system, and he’s a Kolesar.

“On the two-deep” doesn’t necessarily mean what you think it does. RJ Moten is listed as a starter because he’s the safety in their nickel sets (with Dax the nickel), so Kolesar is at best equal with Makari Paige behind Moten, Hawkins, and Hill. That means he’s ahead of Jordan Morant, who just had the screw removed from his ankle and is probably going to redshirt, Rod Moore, who’s a true freshman already creating buzz, and Jalen Perry, who was moved to safety because CB didn’t work out. Nobody’s arc is damaged by this, and—once again—He’s a KOLESAR. Verdict: Good for Kolesar. Might be a Glasgow.

DT ELIJAH PIERRE – 6’1/272. This is the one Brian got all upset about on the podcast even though Pierre has been here for a year. He’s the guy who replaced Mo Hurst as Xaverian Brothers’ DT. Pierre played 18 games for Brown as a nose tackle and grad transferred here as a potential depth DT because we were going into the season very thin. He didn’t see the field last year. The first I heard of him since his transfer was when he was down 20 pounds on the new roster. Then Alex surprised me this weekend with mention of Pierre on the two-deep. That 272 scares me but when I talked to a Xaverian staffer about Pierre she was all about him as a Rob Renes sort who gets under you and wrecks stuff. It’s possible he’s there to do some of that 45-degree buck 43 stuff that modern Rutgers picked up from Schembechler’s lines. Or it could mean one of the guys passed by Speight—probably Jenkins—is behind Pierre. Verdict: Worrisome for DT depth this year, e.g Welschof. He may also get passed before he sees the field.

DT JOEY GEORGE – 6’5/270. Was getting some spring talk along with Speight, but he lost weight in the offseason, and he hasn’t been heard from in fall camp. Verdict: Good for Pierre.

5. Well?

The lack of athleticism, barring a freshman popping from obscurity, at cornerback means they can’t do most of the cool stuff the Ravens did with their Amoeba defense. They will move guys around to create tough reads for opposing quarterbacks, and that should lead to a few more sacks and interceptions that halt drives, and a few more big plays as well. If the three DTs can’t plug up the interior things could go off the rails. If the second cornerback isn’t any better than last year, things could go off the rails. If they can’t find a coverage that they feel comfortable in again, things are likely to go off the rails. Best case scenario, it’s 2011, when Michigan’s weird looks and bags of tricks and fumble luck covered up for some severe deficiencies. That defense was coached by a much more experienced former Ravens DC, but it also didn’t have anything like Dax Hill or Aidan Hutchinson to cause their own unsolvable problems.

BETTER

  • Hutchinson >>> One game of Hutchinson
  • Ron Bellamy >>> MIA Bob Shoop
  • Weaponized Dax Hill >> Will Somebody Please Coach Dax Hill
  • Mazi/Jeter/Hinton/Speight > those guys a year ago
  • Josh Ross > Josh Ross trying to fix everyone else’s problems
  • Weird scheme > Everyone knows what’s coming
  • Sophomore RJ Moten > freshman Makari Paige
  • A New Season > How the last one felt by the end.

SAME

  • Gemon Green == Gemon Green
  • Brad Hawkins == Brad Hawkins/Hunter Reynolds
  • The 2nd CB == Never Forget II

WORSE

  • Non-Hutchinson OLBs << Kwity Paye+Those guys a year ago.
  • First-time DC << Don Brown
  • Learning a new complex system << Continuity in the system they were recruited for
  • Jordan Whittley/Walk-ons << Carlo Kemp
  • Blockers getting to LBs when NG’s tired < Blockers getting on Michael Barrett
  • Nikhai Hill-Green < McGrone

LAST YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

Again, I’m grading lightly because they’re not my predictions.

Hutchinson is an All-American (-ish, COVID makes things weird) and is projected as a first round pick.

He was a terror, and projected as a first round pick before his injury so like yesterday’s Ben Mason prediction I have to count this even though Michigan benefited the absolute minimal amount from it.

Michigan finds one functional defensive tackle in addition to Kemp and things become less horrible there; depth remains a big problem. Hinton is the guy who emerges after a few games.

Both were pretty bad in the early part of the season, hovering above zero for Wisconsin and MSU. There was the moment when Hinton posted a +9/-2.5 against Rutgers. Jeter posted a +7/-0 in the same game. Rutgers had a bad OL, but they both were in the positive again against Indiana. Welschof emerged as a situational guy, and Speight got in a little and was functionally unspectacular. No point; things were not as dire there as in 2019, but that’s because Michigan wasted much of the few healthy games they got out of Paye and Hutchinson covering for the interior, and the LBs kept giving up the edge because they were trying to help as well.

McGrone isn't able to hit Bush numbers because of the DL situation but does round into a reasonable facsimile and All Big Ten player. He also has the option to leave for the draft.

Half a point because he was a 5th rounder, but he was nothing like Bush or an All Big Ten player. He was frustrating but okay to our charting, but quite miserable (58.9 grade) to PFF.

Makari Paige emerges into the nickelback by midseason. (IE, he comes in on passing downs; Hill will play over the slot.)

Point because he was the nickelback in the first game, though Reynolds took over when Hawkins was hurt.

Your second cornerback is Gemon Green. He's very spotty early and rounds into passable.

Point! He was spotty and rounded into passable. Not fair to him that he had to be the first cornerback.

Michigan is again a very good defense against everyone except the top end, but can't do much to slow OSU. Again, SP+ is going to be wonky but they stay about where they were last year (11th).

Nope!

THIS YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

  • Hutchinson draws a ton of offensive attention or they run away from him. We are banging on the table for him to be an All-American, and feel only somewhat vindicated when he’s a first round pick.
  • Safety blitzes are back for the first time since Kovacs, and Dax Hill finally gets to do some cool stuff. He finishes the season with 4+ sacks.
  • DJ Turner II isn’t the answer either, and Vincent Gray reclaims a starting job at some point in the season. CB remains a trouble spot all year; Ja’Den McBurrows sees the field before the 2020 freshmen.
  • Jess Speight plays almost as much as Jeter and Hinton, and this is because Speight can play. All three grade out well in UFR.
  • Backup nose is a problem, and a pretty big one because Mazi Smith needs to rotate. They try a lot of guys there. Jordan Whittley is not the answer, but he’s part of the goal line unit and is an absolute unit. It ends up being one of the DTs and this is not ideal.
  • Michigan uses a lot of weird personnel packages. One has lots of linebackers and we name it. They spend more time in a nickel than their 5-2.
  • They use multiple coverages but base out of two-high (Cov2/Quarters).
  • Nikhai Hill-Green sticks at WLB and figures into our future plans. Junior Colson is rotating with the starters by the end of the year, but has some major freshman moments.
  • Michigan is significantly better but not good, finishing around 40th in SP+. This includes a much improved performance against Wisconsin. Ohio State scores fewer than 100.

Comments

MGoStrength

September 2nd, 2021 at 7:00 AM ^

To your first point, you can still but the digital copy of HTTV. Only $15. Seth has put a lot of working into football content, so throwing $15 his way is a lot better than some places you could be spending it.

Oh I know you can.  My question was not can I still buy it.  My question was do I have to pay to get the answer?  To each his own.  They do a great job.  I'm sure it's a good buy.  I still won't buy it.  There's too much free content on the internet to rationalize paying for it IMO.  I'm curious, but not curious enough to spend my money on it.

But, by playing a defense that is a lot more random rather than man coverage all day long where their athletes torch ours, we are giving ourselves a greater chance to generate random luck in the game. 

Maybe, but really only accounts for Day's offenses (2018 & 2019) vs Brown's defenses.  What about the other 16 years we lost to them?

Hopefully that random luck swings all the way to Michigan because we are going to need it and then some.

Do you remember the last time OSU had more than one turnover in a game to UM and/or UM won the turnover battle by more than +1?  I like our chances a heck of a lot more if UM gets 3 turnovers and OSU gets none.  I also don't see that happening.

AC1997

September 1st, 2021 at 1:59 PM ^

You're probably right, and OSU is operating on a level as a program that is different than all but two other schools in the entire country.  This is the peak of OSU football in the history of time - so it is hard to see that gap closing even if Ryan Day fell asleep during the game.  (Frankly, I don't love the "they care more" reason for the situation even if there's some truth to it.)  

What I will say is this though.  In the piece Seth talked about the scales of luck being flipped in OSU's direction for the last decade on top of their systemic advantages in this sport.  But....

  • 2013 - The 2pt conversion game
  • 2016 - We're one inch away from winning
  • 2017 - With John O'Korn we lose by 11 and had the lead in the second half
  • 2018 - The wheels came off late, but it was 21-19 with seconds left in the first half.  Despite how poorly Shea played, it was a two score game in the middle of the second half.
  • 2019 - Hard to remember this now, but Michigan was a fluke/luck play by OSU the week before away from winning the conference.  

We feel miles away from them as a program and there are tons of reasons why.  Blaming it all on "desire" misses the point just like blaming it all on Don Brown or Harbaugh or recruiting or luck.  All of those things have merged together.  

I want to beat them as much as anyone.....but I'm not using that to judge this program in 2021.  

nappa18

September 1st, 2021 at 3:20 PM ^

2013..are you sure they wouldn’t have driven for a winning fg even if we converted. There were more then 30 seconds left I think.

2016..they gained 15 and a half yards on the play before the spot.

2017..who recruited John O’Korn?

2019..can’t depend on a guy named Piggy.

 

 

Blake Forum

September 1st, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^

I'm not saying DJ Turner II will succeed or should necessarily even start (who knows--we haven't seen enough from him yet), but fwiw, it sounds like the team has a much higher opinion of his speed and overall athleticism than the recruiting class analysis of him that compared him to Brandon Watson. There's always "one of the fastest guys on the team" chatter about him. I have no idea what that'll mean in practice, or how true it is, but it's not a given that this team will have unathletic corners. Now will they be good corners? Again, I have no idea

mGrowOld

September 1st, 2021 at 12:39 PM ^

  • Ron Bellamy >>> MIA Bob Shoop
  • Weaponized Dax Hill >> Will Somebody Please Coach Dax Hill

I know the question of why Stoops wasnt on campus last year has never been answered but can someone explain why we pretended to have a secondary coach when the DUDE WASNT EVEN AT THE SCHOOL?  There are many jobs where a person can work effectively remotely but coaching, like surgery, is definitely not one of them.

In a season of nonsense the entire Bob Stoops saga might be the most ridiculous. 

Wallaby Court

September 1st, 2021 at 12:59 PM ^

I know why Bob Stoops wasn't on campus last year; Michigan never hired him.

But Bob Shoop's absence remains a troubling mystery. Even worse, no one at Michigan has seen fit to offer the slightest explanation for any part of that situation. An athletic department that ultimately ate a $60+ million shortfall paid Shoop $450,000 for a job that he never actually did.

Brian Griese

September 1st, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^

It is mind blowing to me that Michigan has program mouthpieces, two major newspapers in the area and a few internet "insiders" yet to this day I do not recall seeing even one semi-legit rumor as to why Shoop wasn't on campus actually coaching last year.  If it was health concerns due to Covid, why not just share it? Something smelled wrong about that situation from the outset and I am stunned no light was shined upon it.  

Seth

September 1st, 2021 at 7:57 PM ^

I've tried to find out and I'm not the only one. I've asked in back channels too. So have people WAY more plugged in than me.

At this point my guess is it's something Shoop did that was under investigation. Every other time with this program when there's a big public "WHAT THE HELL, WHY WON'T YOU TELL US?!?" it's been because they're legally not allowed to.

I worked it out for myself that the coach who told a Dr Anderson victim to "toughen up" was in that same purgatory...not working, not allowed near the building, but also not being defamed publicly until the investigation was concluded. If they fire that guy before conducting a thorough investigation, he can sue for defamation, right? Well the player making the claim is involved in the suit, so his testimony probably isn't going to be available to the university until they settle, which means the coach stays in purgatory and they can't say why.

I don't have a clue what Shoop did. Maybe he lied to investigators in the Anderson thing. Maybe he punched a player. Or...I don't know, robbed Campus Corner or got involved in a drug deal by paying a player or whatever. But I would bet the reason we don't know is he got himself in the kind of trouble that isn't quickly resolved, so Michigan legally can't say anything, and he's not going to, and we're all left to sniff around hoping to find someone else who knows the story.

buckeyejonross

September 1st, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^

i read this and think of the same over-arching theme of the harbaugh era: michigan is too complicated and too nfl for its own good.

the only time michigan has ever been national championship caliber at anything under harbaugh was the brief period of time it ran a very simple defensive scheme with nfl talent and dominated. the talent well dried up after 2018 and michigan regressed on defense. ok. noted.

but what was u-m's solution to this problem? recruit better? no! somehow u-m decided to pivot and hire a bunch of inexperienced nfl guys to come in and teach some some extremely difficult nfl concepts to not very talented players on short notice. haven't they been doing that on offense (to better players!) for years with poor results? idk. 

i'm a hater, granted, but i can't see a scenario where michigan's defense is anything other than a redux of its offense under harbaugh: way too complicated for the college game.

it's nice michigan tried to change up on offense and hire gattis, and maybe gattis isn't the right man for the job, but still. the idea is there. they did the opposite on defense.

stephenrjking

September 1st, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^

Michigan's offense isn't that complicated. And when it was a bit more varied in the first couple of Harbaugh years, it was... just fine, with what weaknesses that did exist attributable to personnel and development issues rather than complexity. 

OSU's defense got exposed as not complicated enough against Alabama. Now, would I trade your defense for ours? You bet. But Nick Saban seems to be able to teach complex stuff fine.

That's not to say that Michigan will, but "too complicated for college" isn't necessarily true, IMO. It has more to do with what the coaches are capable of teaching effectively, and that varies depending on the coach. 

buckeyejonross

September 1st, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^

doesn't complexity hinder development? early harbaugh offenses were very complicated and featured a ton of different formations and personnel groupings and were 25th in S&P in 2015 and 35th in 2016. i agree, that's "fine."

to your second point, yes, osu was not complicated at all in 2020 and got exposed because it didn't have players good enough to play cover 1 against alabama (or even, like against indiana). it had those players in 2019.

osu would prefer to have better players than to change schemes. day has said as much.

stephenrjking

September 1st, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

Depends on the teacher. Michigan's offensive problems in 15 and 16 started with the OL, which was not a complexity issue. What Harbaugh really did in 15 and 16 is throw out different sorts of formation every week, which does indeed take practice time, but generally he was running standard concepts out of those formations. So there wasn't as much new stuff to develop as one might think. 

Brown's blitz schemes, etc, were fairly complex. They didn't strain the CBs, who always played press man, but there was complexity there. But then, most teams have some level of complexity in them. 

DTOW

September 1st, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^

Counter point: We're never going to out-athlete Ohio State in their current form.  That said, what can we take away from the performance of Ohio State QBs when they get to the NFL (save Fields)?  It's that Ohio State QBs are traditionally dumb dumbs that are seemingly successful because of the sizeable head start they are given from the talent surrounding them.  I think the best way to beat Ohio State is to cause their QBs to play poorly or, at the very least, a little slower.  It seems to me from past history that the best way to do that is to confuse them.

What you're proposing is that we dumb down the scheme and run it with inferior athletes.  That seems unwise as it's precisely what we did with Don Brown's defense.  Everyone knew we were running man coverage.  Ohio State's receivers were better than our corners.  They score many points.  The end.  I'll take the chance of our inferior talent having a chance to muck up the game a little bit and see what happens.

buckeyejonross

September 1st, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

i guess i was proposing that the solution for michigan is to recruit better and let its athletes be athletes. if the concession is that will never happen, then yes, i guess you may as well try to be wisconsin on defense. which isn't a bad thing! it's just getting late early for harbaugh at michigan and can he afford to spin wheels on defense for a year while everyone gets on the same page and learns an entirely new defensive scheme? we'll see.

don brown's defense with ohio state's players would be unbelievable. wisconsin's defense with ohio state's players would be great too, but it would take a lot longer to get there, and is still susceptible to college kids making the wrong decision. there aren't a lot of wrong decisions to be made in don brown's scheme. just run.

DonAZ

September 1st, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^

That was a very nice article ... full of good information, and well written.

The conclusion I draw from it may not be all positive, but it was a thoroughly enjoyable read.  Thanks!

Chris S

September 1st, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^

I'm trying to decide what is better here: the thoughtful analysis or the actual writing.

The Ohio State section is one of the best-written segments I've seen on this site in the last few months, and that is saying A LOT.

Great stuff Seth!

abertain

September 1st, 2021 at 1:25 PM ^

I think my favorite comment below is just hoping for Brady Hoke poops gold season. Let's have that lucky and zany season! It's time. Don't be good! Be lucky. That 2011 defense was 21st in the country. I had said I thought this team could get back up to 25, but I'm worried that the DT's are unproven and thin, and I'm even more worried that they seem to have had zero hits in the CB room. Like, they have Seldon, Green-Warren, etc. These are 4 star guys, but it's still not happening. That's bad. I've revised down to #30 defense and hoping for a pooping gold season. 

AC1997

September 1st, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^

Thank you Seth for this piece - I liked the way you merged logic, explanation, and a touch of optimism while also highlighting some of the ways it could go wrong.  Frankly, no one would fault someone for throwing up their hands and writing a defensive preview that says "404 - File Not Found".  I found this informative and encouraging....while limiting my expectations.

What I like:

  • Build a defense that lets your two NFL prospects do what they do best?  Sounds good.
  • Let your DTs do something they are good at rather than trying to get them all to be Mo Hurst?  (i.e. bulk up well over 300 pounds, plug holes, don't worry about sacks, keep the LB clean)  Sounds good.
  • Don't make it obvious that you're leaving your CBs on an island when you clearly don't have the talent for them to survive?  Sounds good.  

The one question I have that isn't addressed here is related to a theory I have about Don Brown.  How worried should we be about getting our beef stuck on the field against a hurry-up offense?  (My theory is that Brown wanted to have every player on the field be "multiple" so he could avoid having to run guys like Money or Jake Ryan on and off the field situationally.)  

Spitfire

September 1st, 2021 at 3:05 PM ^

Like most teams trying a new defensive scheme we'll probably be better at the end of the season than we are at the beginning when everybody's trying to learn things. It's always different when you start playing other teams as they tend to throw things at you that you haven't seen before. Biggest thing early on is to avoid big plays against the defense. I'm pretty confident we'll hold OSU to under 100.

dragonchild

September 1st, 2021 at 5:12 PM ^

Ohio State scores fewer than 100.

Whoaaa, easy with the hot takes there, young cowboy!

They’ll probably slow down around the mid-80s to rest their starters, anyway.

NationalOffense

September 1st, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^

Thank you for so much great work Seth!

I want to be hopeful, and last season did suck, but I spent New Years Day 2020 in Orlando watching our team play Alabama in a bowl game in our last 'real' season.

Has anyone compared this year's team against the '19-'20 team to see if we have reason to hope to return to that version of 'normal' this year? Even, dare I hope, going on an upward trajectory from then on?

I Want To Believe

HollywoodHokeHogan

September 2nd, 2021 at 3:39 AM ^

We hired a guy who has never been a DC to oversee a complete overhaul of a defense that lacks talent on the interior DL and at cornerback.  In fact we are predicting significant playing time for a CB that Seth has said played the worst game of any Michigan player in history.

It’s a pretty big understatement to call this move risky.  Betting on a flush draw is risky.  This is like lotto ticket odds.  If I had to bet, I think before mid season they’ll realize they don’t have the players needed to make this “amoeba” work because the necessary deception would be secretly switching Green and Gray’s jerseys between plays.  So then we run a conventional front with some man and Cover 2, and it is kind of shitty because we spent a bunch of time learning to be multiple instead of getting good at a boring defense.