I just looked at the box score. It showed that a senior forward for Michigan got 35 minutes on the court, put up 10 shots and scored 5 points. That's not ideal. Is there anything else to discuss?

when does football start?

Been pathetic for a few years and it shows

I remember during the 2014 football season just feeling like in every game we were clinging by our fingernails to stay in them (or not clinging in the MSU and Utah games) while at the same time admiring Devin Gardner's spirit and evident desire to will the team to success. Watching this team reminds me of that in some ways.  Derrick Walton seems like the Devin of this team.  Watching them play I feel like there's no one other than Derrick who consistently plays with intensity game in and game out.  I realize that they've had nice wins over teams like SMU and Marquette and dominated Indiana & Illinois at home so maybe I'm being too harsh, but I just don't feel like they handle adversity well or seem to know what to do when their offensive sets aren't working & someone has to create.

Beilein is a much better coach than Hoke ever was, but this is late stage RR and late stage Hoke. 

This freshman class looks like a disaster.  Next year you lose Walton.  MAAR or X is running this team lol. 

Beilein won't be fired but he simply is not the guy in the recruiting game anymore.  We could have had Blackmon TJ Leaf Bluiett etc among others.  TJ Leaf as a freshman is producing more than our 4 guys combined.  That's 4 wasted scholarships it's looking like for the next 3-4 years.  For the next coach to be stuck with.

You need talent in the end.  We are swinging and missing everywhere.  You can't "hit" on 1 out of 4 guys in bball - there are not enough scholarships.

Matt the msg board poster who is very in tune with bball seems to be hopefuly about 1 of the freshman next year.  That's cool.  That's possibly 1 guy out of 2 classes who is going to be a plus player.  Teske maybe you get something out of him as a JR or SR - that's big men for you.  And a whole bunch of the same Kam Chatman types out there right now with the rest of the class.  Which is going to be a weight around the next coach's neck. 

Unfortunately it's going to be another horrible year next year and MSU is going to lose bridges and bring back Ward (who will probably score 25 with 15 rebound vs our bigs in both games), Cassius (going to run our PGs off the court), and a whole new slew of high end freshmen and possibly signing Bowen on top of that.  Their bad players are their upperclassmen - they are going to be strong and possibly put one of those 30 pt whipping on our bunch of softies.  Even the Indiana game, IU shot over 50% I believe.

I didn't watch the game.  It's all become too predictable reading these reviews.  It's the same shit storm with a different name almost every week.  4-6 games a year UM will shoot the lights out and everyone will get giggity about how nice our offense looks blah blah. Then you have to suffer through 15 games where we don't rebound and play defense.  Yes Mo and DJ will be solid next year but there is no backcourt to speak of and when one of those 2 have an off night or foul early you will have a 1 man team with hope from some middling guys who are MACaction variety   Get used to losing to PSU and NW types.  And getting severely beat down.  Again late Hoke where we are in dogfights with Rutgers on the road.

I feel bad for Beilein as he from all accounts is a wonderul man - I remember him sitting all night in the draft room for JMorgan.  He had his run - now every year he recruits he kills the program 3-4 years out.  12 months from now there is going to be serious poison around this program and these boards are going to be insufferable based on what is going to happen.  I don't wish that on Beilein.   More people like me are going to be checked out as watching a bunch of guys play IM ball where they just chuck 3s and say FUCK it when it comes to defense and rebounding (the Michigan way - as other programs all know now) hurts to watch for a town who loves blue collar defense and effort.

Sorry there is no excuses for why we can't be Wisconsin level basketball at least - I know bball is dirty but forgoodness sake Wisconsin is surviving this world.  Every year of Beilein from here is a year lost 3-4 years out as these scholarships are mostly going on middling prospects.

On a UM team that I can remember. So frustrating because they have shown they can play well.

Shit

Making the tournament? How about winning a game?

Donnal. He's worthless and would be Ball State's 13th man. Hell, he'd probably be their manager.

I agree with most of the above posts. Lots of inconsistency, no one playing with passion besides Walton, bigs getting destroyed down low, trouble taking care of the ball, no ability to penetrate and create off the dribble, draw fouls. we are consistently in foul trouble, giving place holders too many minutes, and getting destroyed on the boards and in the paint. I realize a JB team relies much less on the paint game, but that's just ignorant ball. Not giving yourself an inside game is the same as trying to win every football game through the air. It's one dimensional and won't result positively. Donnal needs to not see the floor anymore. You're at a point in the season where playing Teske is a much bigger benefit even if it means the offensive half of the court is going to basically be a 4v5. (it's basically Derrick Walton in a 1v5 anyway). Along with Donnal, Zak Irvin needs to just sit on the bench. Say what you want about a stomach flu or whatever, but if you are going to be that much a detriment to your team, you shouldn't be on the floor. He plays like a shadow, just another guy to take the ball when Walton picks up his dribble. His senior year is showing to be his worst, and nothing about this season has been positive for him. He's playing like he doesn't care and that's exactly how it's showing on the stat sheet. This season has gone about as bad as possible for him. That being said, if you cherry pick based on production, you basically have Derrick Walton out there with DJ and MO hoping they play one of their good games. Little to no production from the rest. So, in getting rid of JB and trying to right this ship, who do we go after? Who is available after this season? And who the hell wants to walk into this black hole and try to make something happen?

Aren't big players like Wagner and Wilson supposed to play near the hoop ? Isn't it a bad thing for them to be out on the 3 pt line all of the time? I'm not an expert, but...... /s

wait till next year mode. I assume that Beilein has another year to right the ship, and think it's reasonable to assume he has a better squad next year, though still maybe lacking that one guy wing or guard who can hit from the top/take over games, especially with D Walt leaving; Simpson so far. . .

Hope to see some continued improvement this year, too; this certainly wasn't the team that trounced Indiana (though OSU is a team of far greater promise than they had to now showed). But I'm not going to feel so compelled to watch from here on out. 

Tomorrow

If they can't beat sparty on Tuesday the season is over

Somehow OSU continues to have our number. Even when they're a shit team we still can't beat them.

You'd think eventually we would beat that school at least by accident.

"I thought it was OK, I mean, for who we are," John Beilein said. "There are no junkyard dogs out there, we know that. But I thought they gave a great effort."

Great effort? Freaking kidding me? Getting DESTROYED on the glass shows a complete lack of effort.

 

Love Beilein. Think he's a great human being. With that being said, I think he's starting to lose it. Whatever the reason he cannot recruit. Not sure what he's spewing out to these higher end recruits but they end up running in the other direction. Having watched a lot of other games thus far as we're 3/4's into this season, I've come to a resounding and reaffirming conclusion that we lack athleticism in abundant fashion. Passion and intensity are a severe low point in this program as well. I honestly feel like these guys are not responding to Beilein. He exudes such a passive ora. Very little intensity and that trickles down to the players and it effects recruiting. I don't really care what others have to say but it bothers me that there are never any changes in philosophy, strategy, or substitutions. It's the same old shit every game regardless of our oponent. It also bothers me that there isn't more focus put on post play. I know a lot of people here will disageee but I think it's absolute bullshit that we don't work the post more especially in favorable matchups. There is no reason that DJ, Mo, and even Teske can't be developed into having comfortability and skills down low. But that takes us back to Beileins mindset and philosophy. Effective post play requires toughness and work and extra time spent on it. We're content in every one on the floor spaced out, hovering around the arc hoping for a look from three. Why? Because it's easy and that's the mindset that's been instilled. Well what happens when the oponent locks you up on D? We're fucked. Because we aren't balanced enough and don't have enough confidence in anything else to even want to try anything in the post. It's a problem. And it's a problem in recruiting. We need an injection of passion, intensity, and cool factor into this program. It has gotten incredibly stale. Even the crowd is stale. This program needs a facelift and wether that's with or without Beilein I guess is yet to be seen. But the trajectory is not looking good as we lose arguably the only one on this team who brings intensity and will to win. The same old mindset and philosophy will still be here. A few new incoming players but what will be instilled in them is the big question. I think it goes deeper than even recruits although more talented players does t hurt but to me it's not the root of the major issues. It's the mindset and what the program believes in and hangs its hat on. And what we hang our hat on now is not a recipe for success. Sure we'll have some games where we'll catch fire from deep and win some games but it masks serious defficient aspects of the entire program. We have to get tougher and play inspired and commit to defense. I'm having serious reservations on wether Beilein can instill that to the degree it needs to be.

This one really bummed me out.  I've been a strong supporter of Beilein but this one was just...I can't even finish it.  They started out playing well and seemed to be up 8 most of the 1st half, as Kenpom predicted.  I was set for a smooth victory over those punks from Columbus. 

But, once Mo got auto-benched and Ohio State made their run I knew that was it.  No one got pissed (Walton has an understated grit - its not in your face but its there), there was no anuerysm of leadership or even a 'win the game'.  

I think this team is more talented than other Michigan teams, even better than Beilein's tournament teams back in 2009, 2011 and 2012. The biggest missing thing is their ability to play hard. It's bizarre.  And everytime I think this team has it figured out they take a huge step backwards.

Playing sports growing up all I wanted to do was win. I hated to lose. And I don't understand a team that doesn't feel the same way. What's the point of playing if you don't want to win?

Sorry this is so bleak and  melodramatic