MGoPodcast 9.15: Not This Down
1 hour and 54 minutes
We are at the Residence Inn Ann Arbor Downtown, which has nine or ten conference rooms depending on if we count Wisconsin’s loss to Rutgers in basketball.
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1. The Bowl Game Happened, and Hey, a Basketball Game!
starts at 1:00
Hit Kenpom Time at 7 minutes, positive step forward for the program despite getting almost nothing from Mo and Matthews. Very different to want Z taking shots. Getting Robinson back to the bench, where he can be on the floor with Teske, is the best part of starting Livers. Typical Beilein team coming together, Teske earning equal time. Best shot at a tourney win is beat Purdue at home—RPI hell going to put a good team on the 10 line. RPI should please adopt hockey’s adjustment where if a win would lower your RPI they drop it. Does Poole need a Xanax or roll with it?
2. The Bowl Game Happened, We’ll Talk About It
starts at 32:14
Every quarterback who played this year regressed. Losing the mash brothers lost the running game. Standard crazy good D with a big safety crack on a slot fade. Not upset with the direction of the program; upset with the takes this year invited. No excuse for pass protection to be THIS bad.
3. Next Year
starts at 46:17
Defense returns Don Brown and 10-ish starters, with some backups in line for breakouts. One guy they lose is the best DT in program history but deeper team could murder a la 2016. Bring back two elite LBs with a lot of good backup options, and possibly the two best CBs in the country plus Ambry Thomas.
Offense seems pretty bad. Looks like another staff shakeup coming. RB should be fine, Ben Mason is fine at fullback, Gentry/McKeon will improve, get more from Eubanks and Wheatley. WRs won’t be all freshmen anymore. Interior OL has to get better at pass pro. Bredeson needs a jump next year since he doesn’t fit with the mash-you unit. Gotta find two tackles, can probably find at least one?
Special teams: Gotta find a punter, Nordin good.
4. Star Wars: The Last Jedi wsg Richard Hoeg of HoegLaw
starts at 1:13:28
One of our advertisers wrote a viral Star Wars take so we invited him on. Brian loathed The Force Awakens for making a 2016 remake of IV. Agree there was a Marvel-ish iconoclasm to it—this bothers Richard and Brian thinks this series badly needed it. Ryan Johnson got a crap sandwich and figured out a way to make the third movie not Return of the Jedi. Do you want Windsurfing Skywalker? Casino planet too ham-handed—important for plot because it sets up a bigger galaxy that hates the First Order.
MUSIC:
- “X”—Xzibit
- “Fiery Crash”—Andrew Bird
- “Star Wars Theme Kazoo Cover”—Morpeef
- “Across 110th Street”
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Kylo-Ren. Kylo-Rey is like they’re now dating. You’re shipping them.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^
I hope physical maturation isn't the only component. Players do improve through repetition, experience, and knowledge.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
Yeah. Great point. I am sure it's a worry for everyone Harbaugh will have them laying around doing nothing because they are going to be older and work isn't necessary.
I mean that's the Harbaugh history. Letting guys lolly gag. And him not being generally very aggressive in coaching players.
jeesh
January 3rd, 2018 at 9:14 PM ^
January 3rd, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^
January 3rd, 2018 at 9:22 PM ^
I haven't seen The Last Jedi yet, should I listen to Podcast or wait?
January 3rd, 2018 at 9:32 PM ^
Ignore everything after 1:13 and you can listen. Rest of the pod was great.
January 3rd, 2018 at 9:51 PM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 9:04 AM ^
Hey, do you know Brady Hoke and Jim Harbaugh have basically the same record after 3 years! Really makes you think...
January 4th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^
You could sell tickets to watch brady hoke try climbing a tree in a recruit's back yard.
January 3rd, 2018 at 10:00 PM ^
Little surprised that BC and AA weren't higher on our WRs. Agree with oline concerns. Agree, hope Shea gets to play, cuz we need another QB.
January 3rd, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
happened to LaVert Hill in the bowl game? I saw him for a couple of plays and then no more. Was he injured?
January 4th, 2018 at 7:39 AM ^
nobody has called out Riley Bullough's douche-ie tweet about Winovich returning next year?
January 4th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^
to hell with Riley Bullough. Little brother in every way.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^
and well put. For some reason it's really bugging me. i need to get over myself
January 4th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 7:39 AM ^
There are 2 reasons a SW movie is good (or bad): It's either a good *movie*(good plot, writing, dialog, character devel, compelling narrative) or it's good b/c it's SW (jedi, lightsabers, space battles, storm troopers, the force etc).
The prequels were bad *movies*. There is no debate about that. They are epically cringeworthy in all cases. People like them b/c they have awesome SW scenes: lightsaber duels, more jedi, more force discussion, epic model CG space battles.
What made Ep 4 & 5 among the best films ever made is that they were BOTH great movies and SW movies. Ep6 people complain b/c Ewoks and DSII, but I'd say that they same is true for that if it's true for the other 2. I assume Brian thinks Ep6 is hot garbage as well b/c it's a rip off of Ep4. But at this point everything (incl Ep4) is a rip off of the "chosen one" monotheist hero narrative and Westerns/WWII movies that came out of Post war hollywood.
Obvisouly Ep 7 followed the standard formula and thus everyone thinks it's a rip off of Ep4 (agree to a certain extent, but IDK it's a good formula that works for literally thousands of years). I mean, it's star wars, sit down and have fun. No one goes into SW thinking "OK I really need to focus on character relationships and plot to make I understand motivations" - like it's drama/mystery. I'm sure Brian doesn't enjoy the Marvel movies too much either.
However, Ep8 was different - there was a ton going on - new characters you didn't know if they were good/bad/indifferent - each main character had an arc where they didn't do the right thing (but for good reasons) surprizing developments, great dialog, foreshadowing, character devel, good spots of comedy (maybe too much at times). It was a great movie that challeneged assumptions about hereos and Jedi. Would Rey join Kylo? would Kylo join her? Snoke WTF?! Is she good/bad/no shi is good! Some didn't like that, but it was necessary for this series to move beyond what we've seen before - not jsut in SW movies but in epic heroic movies in general. Like Guardians and some of the Marvel movies.
As far as the whole "not my Luke" bullshit. It's that's not a snowflake take than nothing is. Don't forget - Luke's own father was Vader. Luke in Jedi succumbed to the Emperor and found his father. He isn't Yoda/Obi-wan/any pre-quel Jedi that never has succumbed to temptation and does the right thing every fucking time. Shit, that's boring! You want to complain - sure super Leia was meh at best. some of the comedy broke the 4th wall too much. BB-8 saving the day 6 times, once driving a ATST. The one thing Hoeg got right, IMO, is that they didn't have an overaching plan for the trilogy or at least a common writer/director that could make a cohesive trilogy. As mucha s people complains about Lucas, he did have an overarching plan (that was fluid and changed and that he got great help from Kasdan and others on) that bridged them together. In this case, they gave JJ 7, and said Rian - do whatever you want with 8, now 9 can be anything. Not a geat way to develop a cohesive story across 3 movies. There is literally NOTHING to anticipate for ep9. Where ep7 left as all wanting more (as the originals did) ep8 felt like the end of the trilogy - which made for a great movie, but doesn't make for a cohesive trilogy.
tl;dr: this has nothing . to do with M football - so read it or don't based on that
January 4th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^
As far as the whole "not my Luke" bullshit. It's that's not a snowflake take than nothing is.
Bingo...
Lets also not forget:
Obi-Wan... trained Anakin, failed and lost him to the dark side, gave up/rejected being a Jedi and moved to some back water planet to get away from everything and abidicated his "duty as a Jedi"
Luke... trained Kylo Ren, , failed and lost him to the dark side, gave up/rejected being a Jedi and moved to some back water planet to get away from everything and abidicated his "duty as a Jedi"
January 4th, 2018 at 10:04 AM ^
I love Mo Hurst. Really, I do. But it seems pretty arrogant to declare him the "best DT in program history". As Harbaugh has said, any time you compare things you run the risk of doing a disservice to them. I can think of at least two DTs (Mark Messner and Alan Branch) who certainly belong in the conversation.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
It's like being the best swordsman in Westoros. There are 10 people who claim the title and they rarely if ever square off against each other. And if they do, the odds aren't equal enough to be fair. There are 10 DL in Michigan history who can claim to be the best, and they all deserve to be!
January 4th, 2018 at 11:30 AM ^
but Messner is the best.
In his career at Michigan he had 70 TFLs and 36 sacks. Hurst has 32.5 TFLs and 12.5 sacks. Looking at their best seasons, Hurst has 13.5 TFLs and 5 sacks. Messner has 26 TFLs as a senior and 11 sacks as a freshman. Messner had 281 tackles to Hurst's 132.
The official TFL/sack stats don't go back to Messner's time. In recent history, Brandon Graham is the career leader with 55.5 TFLs and 29.5 sacks.
Hurst is exceptional. Graham was great, but Messner was from another planet. He was the quickest defensive linemen I've ever seen. Look at the clip that starts at 2:30. He was 10 yards in the backfield at the handoff. Insane.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:44 AM ^
Official stats, different eras, different positions, different competition levels. I'm not trying to downplay Messner, but Mo Hurst ends up 10 yards in the back field off the snap by going thru two interior linemen, Messner was unblocked off the line like Clowney in that clip.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^
its good to be comfortable....
its great to be very comfortable
January 4th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
.....being comfortable (or even very comfortable) doesn't mean that he's right.
I'd be comfortable (even very comfortable) saying the Charles Woodson was the best CB in program history. You might even be able to make a similar case with Steve Hutchison at guard.
Outside of that, I think it's very difficult to make the "best in program history" distinction at any other position.
January 4th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
How do you square the huge difference in production between the two players? Are you old enough to have seen Messner play live? I'm sorry, but your "very comfortable" take is as bad as the "Harbaugh is not a QB guru" takes that Ace and Brian lamented on the podcast.
Please, read his wikipedia page and compare his accomplishments to Hurst's. It's not close.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:19 AM ^
January 5th, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^
Because I can't find that stat on the internet. I'll just hang my hat on my previous comment:
"In his career at Michigan he {Messner} had 70 TFLs and 36 sacks. Hurst has 32.5 TFLs and 12.5 sacks. Looking at their best seasons, Hurst has 13.5 TFLs and 5 sacks. Messner has 26 TFLs as a senior and 11 sacks as a freshman. Messner had 281 tackles to Hurst's 132."
My years of watching Michigan football go back to the 70's. The first great Michigan DT I was familiar with was Curtis Greer. Messner beat all his records. But I was 7-9 years old at the time, so I can't say for sure how good Greer was. I just know Ron Simpkins and Curtis Greer were the standard for Michigan defenders until Messner came along. I am old enough to remember thinking "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" while watching Messner win a Rose Bowl. But then again, Messner was All-Big 10 for four years, so maybe that's why his career sticks out in my mind.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:19 AM ^
what does "Bredeson needs a jump" mean?
January 4th, 2018 at 9:15 AM ^
Better coaching?
January 5th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^
thank you that makes sense
or maybe a Great Leap Forward
January 4th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
As someone who really loved The Force Awakens, and still enjoy it after numerous rewatches, I was let down by the Last Jedi. I think Richard Hoeg did a pretty good job summarizing my feelings on it, especially the notes on the plot. I think of individual moments of that movie and my god there are some amazing ones. A few other moments didn't hit home with me though, and that is fine. But I am less passionate about this movie than any other time I've seen a Star Wars and that reflects poorly. I don't even have the energy to bash it.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^
Hoeg's take is decent; it actually gets better as it goes along (he could have trimmed a couple paragraphs from the beginning which would have strengthened the whole). I don't agree with every element of his analysis. However he does nail the central problem of this being the second installment in a triology that, instead of building towards the third movie, dismissed what was set up by Abrams in TFA. I think Abrams did a much better job. Rian Johnson tried too hard to be cute. TFA made me long for Last Jedi; I will watch the next movie although it won't be something to look forward to.
Disney will milk this cha-ching cash cow for the foreseeable future and it seems to fit squarely within their overall modern day business philosophy. Sell more tickets to newer audiences.
January 4th, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^
And to me, it was because it got back to the roots of the original film: this is a western in space with some samurai flick dashed in (which naturally, samurai films have always overlapped with westerns so why not?). Luke was cast as the classic old gunfighter who used to be able to stare down a whole town full of crooked marshalls and leave 'em all laying, but he's lived too long and made mistakes and now just wants to be left alone with his mule. But finally, he is convinced to ride in to town and save the day. One last ride for the old gunfighter. God I love that stuff. He even got to go off into the sun like John Wayne.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:49 AM ^
A lot of the reaction the The Last Jedi, is similar to Empire Strikes Back when it came out. For example, people insist that Kylo was lying to Rey about her parents to turn her. People said the exact same thing about the "No, I am your father." moment.
I'm not saying the movie isn't without flaws, but I can recognize flaws and still enjoy it. There's this weird thing nowadays on the internet where it seems like you're not allowed to like something unless it's "perfect," which is impossible to acheive.
And quite frankly I feel like a majority of people LIKE TLJ, and it's more of a (very) vocal minority that doesn't.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^
The luke skywalker in the last jedi is the same character as the originals but people only choose to remember their childhood luke. He was always a torn character, wrecked by self doubt who had little to no training, had no idea how to train jedis and failed at it and his old doubts came back. Luke had like 2 hours of competence in the originals.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:56 AM ^
Exactly! He's a broken man because he feels like he has failed his nephew, sister, and best friend, not to mention his own mentors like Obi-Wan and Yoda.
It's been 30 some odd years, it's not like he was gonna pick up right where we left him in RotJ!
January 4th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^
And the casino scenes were a little ham handed but it wasn't just about the classism, it was also about showing that life goes on for the rest of the universe even as this 30 year struggle is going on. We focus so much on the war but in reality most of the universe is just living and that is an important note too.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:08 AM ^
January 4th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^
I mean come on. COME ON. George Lucas spent years weirdly fiddling with the original three movies and adding scenes for no reason in terrible 90s CGI, then pumped out three awful prequels and it didn't kill Star Wars. A new movie that departs from the first in it's series (the same way Empire departed from Star Wars, but in a different unique way this time) isn't going to kill the town.
If you're an older person who grew up with the originals and didn't like the way Han got killed in TFA and the way Luke was portrayed in TLJ, ask yourself this: when you saw the originals, was Ben Kenobi your favorite guy? Was Yoda? NO! You were a Han fan or a Luke fan, because they were the dynamic young characters, not the old fuddy duddies who screwed everything up and let the bad guys take over before your boys flew in and saved the day.
Well, that's Star Wars in a nut shell. The old characters are there to help the young ones learn and grow, but the young save the day. Luke's old and beardy and full of regret for mistakes, he can't be the flame that ignites the fires of hope. That's for the young. That's been the story since the first movie.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
to savor in TLJ. I didn't hate the movie - I just didn't love it.
Sure, characters and actors age; Mark Hamill can't be the "flame that ignites the fires" any more. It's up to Rey now. There is no perfect way to transition from old to new/young so I'm inclined to be tolerant of less than perfect solutions. Still, the treatment of Luke's character is probably my least favorite aspects of the movie. Evidently if it weren't for Hamill's input it might have actually been worse.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
Come on, you're telling me it didn't give you the goose bumps when Luke daggum Skywalker strolled out there on the field of salt and shrugged off all those cannon shots? Would that moment have been what it was if you hadn't spent all that time with Luke doubting himself and doubting his value any more after the mistakes he made with Ben and doubting whether there was any place for the Jedi any more?
What kind of movie is it if Luke is just hanging out on an island, some girl tells him what he should already know about how dire things are and goes "oh yes of course let me put on my hero pants and let's go save the day!" How would that make sense?
January 4th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^
Give me some goose bumps.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
"Still, the treatment of Luke's character is probably my least favorite aspects of the movie."
It's almost identical to the character arc of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^
Luke wasn't mistreated or misrepresented. Original movies he was a young man with a mission to turn his dad back to good and by golly he accomplished it by almost sacrificing everything he was. New movies he is a self-taught Jedi "Master" who failed not only himself, the Jedi Order, his sister, best friend, and nephew. Luke wasn't responsible for his dad becoming Vader, but he felt entirely responsible for Ben becoming Kylo Ren. How can you expect him to act the same way? What grown man still has a youthful ignorance that they can be the light in the world? What grown man is the same person they were 30 years later?
January 24th, 2018 at 1:51 AM ^
Defense returns Don Brown and 10-ish starters, with some backups in line for breakouts. json formatter. Bring back two elite LBs with a lot of good backup options, and possibly the two best CBs in the country plus Ambry Thomas.
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