MGoPodcast 13.5: No Lucy Talk Comment Count

Seth October 3rd, 2021 at 3:33 PM

1 hour and 19 minutes

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1. Offense vs Wisconsin

starts at 1:00

Long discussion about Cade: were the bad passes on him or the receivers? Little bit of both but we disagree on the degrees. McCarthy can run options however, which seems like an important thing. No more split zone in short situations: you’re asking for impossible blocks. Tight ends got Wisconsinized. Hello Roman Wilson (don’t step out).

[The rest of the writeup and the player after THE JUMP]

2. Defense vs Wisconsin

starts at 22:31

How Wisconsin was this? Quarterbackly: no. Wolf had two turnovers when he came in—similar to when Michigan lost Peters and fell apart here years ago. The front seven however! The DTs withstood some Wisconsin linemen. Ojabo had a GAME. Dax Hill had a game. Hinton and Smith and the young DTs with them looked pretty good. The interesting blitzes are an effect of running more zone.

3. Hot Takes, Special Teams, and Game Theory

starts at 39:37

Seth reads off every 4th down decision and Brian says whether he would go or not go on that one. Really there was just one we thought they got too conservative. The pooch was a bad idea—20 yards in that circumstance is worth way more than 2 seconds. Special teams was a huge difference, e.g. punt from the 17, get it back on the 40. Moody hits all three.

4. Around the Big Ten, wsg Jamie Mac

starts at 58:55

Western Kentucky could have hung with MSU if they didn’t just kick field goals. Indiana broke Penix as well as everything else. Ohio State did to Rutgers all the things we were clamoring to do to Rutgers. Nebraska did terrible things to Northwestern, with a walk-on running back.

MUSIC:

  • “Marigold”—Jelani Aryeh
  • “Chaise Lounge”—Wet Leg
  • “Future Me Hates Me”—The Beths
  • “Across 110th Street”
THE USUAL LINKS:

You want your officiating to be like your uncle at Thanksgiving; you know he’s going to make one or two mistakes but you want to limit it to that.

Comments

UofM Die Hard …

October 3rd, 2021 at 9:01 PM ^

I mean…I know we haven’t played the best of offenses but cmon, M defense has done pretty well and made all look way worse. Give credit where it’s due. (Sans one half, but even then they were on the field way too long) 
 

 

 

Gobgoblue

October 4th, 2021 at 12:17 AM ^

I am with Seth on some of these. I would grade those Cade passes a little more harshly on the WRs.
 

The one over the middle that was to absolutely nobody had to be a route miscommunication.

The pooch kick was aggressive and—contrary to Brian’s bewilderment—absolutely was considered as a possible turnover generation, in my opinion. And it almost worked! It looked reckless in hindsight because Mertz makes his two best passes of the season back to back. The pooch was a gamble and they lost; they came close to winning big and then lost big. So it goes. 
 

also thought the delay of game punt was weird. After the up-back fake punt run was put on film, it was obvious what the threat was on 4th and 2. Wisconsin wasn’t going to jump off, so...??? Strange 

Gulogulo37

October 4th, 2021 at 2:20 AM ^

"The one over the middle that was to absolutely nobody had to be a route miscommunication."

Not sure about this play but miscommunication isn't always on the WR I'd think.

Regarding the pooch, let's say Michigan gets the ball with 22 seconds left. Now they can't run their regular offense. They try a few low-percentage deep shots to get a TD but very likely settle for a FG attempt, which if they don't make it much past the 40 is a long one. The upside of a turnover there is way lower than usual.

Gobgoblue

October 4th, 2021 at 7:04 AM ^

Speaking of miscommunication, I was unclear on that part— not sure who was at fault with the throw to nobody. 
 

Im not sure what you mean by run the regular offense. You get a turnover on the opponent’s 37 (already past the 40?), you take it. You can run any pass play, not even just to the end zone. Moody had just hit a 47 FG so he’s got the leg. 

Gulogulo37

October 4th, 2021 at 11:11 PM ^

Yeah, maybe he could hit a FG but TDs are much better. What are the odds they get a TD? Certainly much lower than if there were 10 minutes on the clock. The trade off is not TO vs not TO. Of course TOs are good. It's a shot at a very unlikely TO plus an unlikely TD vs no TO and giving Wisconsin an extra 15 yards and an unlikely TD.

ca_prophet

October 4th, 2021 at 4:03 AM ^

Disagree on the pooch kick.  Michigan gave up 12 yards in exchange for 7 seconds (one quarter of the remaining time) *and* a chance at a game-ending recovery.  How often would you expect Wisconsin to move even 33 yards (for a long FG attempt) in 15 seconds?

This was an aggressive call that I'd like to see Harbaugh make more often.

 

gbdub

October 4th, 2021 at 8:45 AM ^

Cade is “not even an average B1G QB”? Which B1G have you been watching, because it certainly isn’t the one that exists in 2021 of this plane of reality. 

lunchboxthegoat

October 4th, 2021 at 9:33 AM ^

I'm not exactly ready to trust this team but we're getting incrementally better. 

Cade is a perfectly acceptable QB if all you're looking to have him to do is make safe throws and never lean on him to win a game. I think if we're ever in a situation where he's got to throw us back into a game - we're in trouble. I'd be happy to be wrong. 

The execution on both sides of the ball looks a lot better than previous years --I still worry about whether or not the coaches are putting the players in position to be successful. 

But 5-0 is 5-0. Go Blue. 

bronxblue

October 4th, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^

I cannot understand this notion that Cade McNamara can't throw the ball to win a game but I guess having the 18th-ranked QBR and a 5:0 TD:INT ratio won't ever be enough.

I think this site is predisposed to think the worst at all times but I promise you that if UM has to throw to win a game I'd much rather have McNamara pulling the trigger than anyone else on the roster right now.

imafreak1

October 4th, 2021 at 11:31 AM ^

Until that 4th and 2 and subsequent TD, I was basically counting the minutes until they pulled him for JJ. Such a rough beginning. Cade's form on that first and inaccurate throw was super cringey.  Although, I thought the receivers weren't doing Cade any favors either. After watching the every offensive snap video, Cade was pretty rough all day. Too many inaccurate passes or passes to no where. But he doesn't throw INTs and is reasonably accurate on the deep ball which is so nice after 2-3 seasons of the Michigan QB not being able to hit those. 

I think that long one that Wilson managed to come down with was huge in the game. It led to Michigan going up by two scores again and really put WI behind the 8 ball.

It really looks like Cade's time is limited though. He is a nice base to have though. 

WalterWhite_88

October 4th, 2021 at 12:50 PM ^

Man, that was a depressing Podcast after what was a great road win at a place we haven't won at since 2001. Brian was so negative, especially early on. They basically started out right away talking about what went wrong in the game instead of what went right. It was hard to tell that Michigan won the game by 21... they were talking like Michigan lost. And the statement about how most people only predicted a 7-5 record because of the schedule is just a lie. Everybody, including Brian, thought that this Michigan team was going to be weak and that's the main reason why they thought Michigan was going to go 7-5... and despite the weaker than expected opponents so far, they have to admit that Michigan looks much better than they expected. Plus, Michigan still does have one of the toughest schedules in the country. Having to play on the road at PSU and MSU and home vs OSU... and on the road at Nebraska this weekend will be tough as well. I usually enjoy these podcasts because Brian and Seth usually have reasonable things to say... but this was a dissapointment. Whenever Seth tried to say some positive stuff, Brian would interrupt him and disagree by saying something negative. Seems over-the-top to not even admit that Cade is an average B1G QB.

bronxblue

October 4th, 2021 at 1:04 PM ^

I was getting pretty angry with the start of the podcast but I cooled down a bit as it went on.  I will say though that Brian wondering why people thought he was so negative after he wrote 

Since Michigan was playing Rutgers, "dunks on you" means "scores ten points in a half and still loses." The feeling is still the same. Michigan's second half didn't lose this game; it felt like it lost future games. At some point down the road when Michigan gets conked everyone watching will think about how the second half of Rutgers foretold this woeful fate.

Like, come the fuck on.  Michigan has somehow gone 3-2 this year despite tricking all of the record keepers to mark them down as 5-0.  Michigan played really well against Wisconsin, and while the Badgers aren't their usual class they still better than their record and have a ton-ranked defense.  It's insane to me that UM can beat a team on the road by 21 and it's treated as a loss because they didn't blow them out enough.

Anyway, I'm sure UM will lose a game and all this negativity will be "redeemed" but I'm beyond tired of it preemptively.