Jimmystats: A Reasonable Darboh Progression Comment Count

Seth

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[Bryan Fuller]

All offseason I've been dickering around with targeting data trying to find something predictive about Michigan's receivers. Here's what I came up with:

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Big makes click (WRs with <10 targets excluded)

What you're seeing is RYPR data for guys listed as sophomores on 2005-'14 rosters. I couldn't be precise because that doesn't account for redshirts, but whenever I came across a double I went with the later year. RYPR is an imperfect feelingsball stat by Bill Connelly that tries to tie in a receiver's targeting data and the nature of his offense with his raw production. The big yellow diamond around 60 targets and 70 RYPR is Darboh last year (the other diamond in the mess of barely targeted dudes is Chesson).

What I like about the chart above is it's the first one that seems to put the guys who wound up really productive dramatically above average. Gallon and Manningham are floating well above the dotted line, Greg Mathews is way below it, and Darboh, Funchess (who spent part of that season as a TE), and Roundtree are kinda on it, despite a big spread in number of targets.

The Michigan sample's small, but the vast majority of guys above dotted line as sophomores wound up NFL picks. RYPR/targets in fact was more predictive than RYPR itself. NFL draft picks averaged 1.43 RYPR/Tgts versus 1.05 for those not drafted. The graph isn't dramatic (again click to make it big) but it's at least useful for setting a baseline:

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I noted some outliers among the undrafted: Jarrett Boykin (3.05 in 2009) spent three years on the Packers, starting for half of 2013. Billy Pittman had his big year with Vince Young but had a kind of palsy, got hit with one of the dumbest NCAA penalties ever (7 games for sharing his friend's car for the summer) and was an old man already by his combine. And Da'Rick Rogers left Tennessee after failing three drug tests, was the best receiver in FCS for a year, and has bounced around practice rosters since. As for those still playing, they're among the best in FBS: Tyler Boyd (Pitt), Pharoh Cooper (S Car), Will Fuller (ND), Michael Thomas (OSU) and Corey Coleman (Baylor) are all juniors this year. Sanity test: passed.

Remember these guys are all getting at least 10 targets as sophomores for a Power 5 or BCS school. Since that pack doesn't bother spreading out until 20 targets let's reset and from there and see what it says about about the future NFL draft picks versus the future pros in something else.

As Sophomore Players Avg Yds Avg Tgts Avg RYPR RYPR/Tgts
Drafted 148 656 73 100.0 1.37
Undrafted 416 376 49 53.0 1.09
Darboh x 473 67 69.8 1.04

Simply getting usage at Power 5/BCS team at this point gives you better than a 1 in 4 chance of getting drafted, about the same, we learned in previous studies, as a 4-star recruit. If Darboh was a guy who stood out in that stat I'd be excited, but he was pretty average. Still I'm interested to see what happened to the guys in Darboh's vicinity.

[After the Jump: guys who looked like Darboh]

Darboh-Like Objects:

I took out a subsection of sophomore receivers within +/-10 RYPR of Darboh. There were 45 initially but I removed 11 slot receiver types. We're left with 33 comps, four of whom disappeared for injury or personal reasons, and 12 of whom were NFL draft picks. Some of the guys you're probably familiar with are Brian Robiskie from Ohio State, and LSU's Early Doucet.

Player Team       TG Yds RYPR Draft Summary
Donald Bowens NCSU '07 62 598 74.10 x Tried to grad transfer to UCF in 2010, wasn't admitted.
Taiwan Easterling FSU '09 47 444 73.88 x Left program after Jr year for baseball
Malcolm Williams Tex '09 68 550 73.70 Round 7 (NWE) Gave up football before 2011 season
Juron Criner Zona '09 74 581 73.41 Round 5 (OAK) 1st team All Pac-10 in 2010, went pro
Marcus Monk Ark '05 78 476 73.24 Round 7(CHI) Good as jr, injured as senior, drafted late
Brian Robiskie OSU '06 41 383 73.16 Round 2(CLE) Doubled output, drafted high
Juaquin Iglesias Okla '06 65 514 72.46 Round 3(CHI) Strong jr and sr seasons
Taylor Embree UCLA '09 79 608 71.72 x Plateaued as a possession receiver
Dom Williams WSU '13 80 647 70.70 n/a Treaded water last year. Still playing.
Kevonte Martin-Manley Iowa '12 81 569 70.20 x Regressed somewhat as Jr matched production as Sr
Devin Fuller UCLA '13 55 471 70.03 n/a Matched production, still on team.
Rodney Smith FSU '10 57 448 69.99 x Topped out a little better.
Amara Darboh Mich 67 473 69.79 n/a We're findng out
Terrance Williams Bay '10 58 484 69.10 Round 3(DAL) 1st team all-B12 as Jr, Biletnikoff finalist as Sr
Andre Davis USF '12 85 534 68.75 x Moderate progression
Paul Richardson CU '11 74 569 67.90 Round 2(SEA) Tore ACL and medshirted as Jr, exploded as RS Jr, went pro
La'Rod King Ky. '10 53 478 67.87 x Moderate progression, flattened, bounced around practice squads
Andrew Means Ind '07 71 559 67.87 x Lost in bad offense as Jr, switched to baseball
Danny Oquendo Md. '06 45 397 67.62 x Slot receiver mostly
Michael Bennett Ga. '12 34 345 67.07 x Plateaued after
Selwyn Lymon Pur '06 59 580 66.94 x Had his incident after that.
Damiam Davis OK St '08 25 414 66.73 x Dismissed from team after that
Chris Givens Wake '10 60 514 66.72 Round 4(STL) Exploded as Jr, went pro.
Bobby Swigert BC '11 78 476 66.65 x Lost career to injury after that
Mike Davis Tex '11 82 609 66.61 x Improved as Jr, nearly went pro, regressed as Sr, undrafted
Chris Conley Ga. '12 32 342 66.49 Round 3(KAN) Solid possession career, drafted higher than production warranted
Carlton Mitchell USF '08 48 405 65.51 Round 6 (CLE) Improved to 700-ish yards and left for NFL draft
Early Doucet LSU '05 39 389 65.47 Round 3(ARI) Avant in a good WR corps, missed 5 games as Sr to injury, blew up in NFL combine, injuries shorted career
Jordan Payton UCLA '13 58 440 65.43 n/a Productive Jr year, still on team
Scott Long Lou. '07 44 358 65.36 x Played 3 games as Jr, productive as Sr
Tim Smith Va. '11 62 565 65.26 x Plateaued after
Levi Norwood Bay '12 53 487 65.15 x Very good all-purpose player, All B12 returner as Sr but lost reps to other guys. Not drafted.
Jamal Turner Neb '12 53 417 65.02 x Injured after 8 games as Jr and all of last year. Still on team.
Justin Hunter Tn. '11 20 314 64.92 Round 2(TEN) His soph season was injury-shortened. Blew up into all-SEC after.

So?

So there were outliers and more than a few guys who wound up as 500-yard possession receivers. Justin Hunter probably would have had 1,000 yards if he didn't miss 2/3rds of his sophomore year. The bulk of guys saw moderate improvement but never cracked 1,000 yards some of those who did had RG3 throwing to them. But there are some strong success stories out of Darboh-like sophomore years. Juron Criner was All-Pac 10 as a junior. Chris Givens is on the list. Slice out the incompletes and here's what the junior versions of guys like Darboh looked like:

Player (as Jr) Ht Wt Yr Team Targets Yards RYPR
Taiwan Easterling 6'0 195 2010 Florida State 63 551 86.1
Malcolm Williams 6'3 225 2010 Texas 45 334 33.3
Juron Criner 6'3 221 2010 Arizona 121 1258 164.9
Marcus Monk 6'4 212 2006 Arkansas 90 962 144.7
Brian Robiskie 6'4 212 2007 Ohio State 84 935 147.8
Juaquin Iglesias 6'1 205 2007 Oklahoma 91 862 113.9
Taylor Embree 6'2 202 2010 UCLA 62 409 43.6
Dom Williams 6'2 200 2014 WSU 65 656 76.0
Kevonte Martin-Manley 6'0 205 2013 Iowa 67 388 50.1
Devin Fuller 6'1 200 2014 UCLA 82 447 62.2
Rodney Smith 6'5 220 2011 Florida State 58 561 90.8
Terrance Williams 6'2 208 2011 Baylor 83 957 153.2
La'Rod King 6'4 222 2011 Kentucky 79 598 69.3
Andrew Means 6'0 215 2008 Indiana 56 446 64.2
Danny Oquendo 6'0 190 2007 Maryland 23 178 25.0
Michael Bennett 6'3 202 2013 Georgia 58 538 88.5
Selwyn Lymon 6'4 215 2007 Purdue 66 450 48.9
Chris Givens 6'0 195 2011 Wake Forest 135 1330 170.9
Bobby Swigert 6'1 199 2012 B.C. 37 249 33.9
Mike Davis 6'2 195 2012 Texas 86 939 130.4
Chris Conley 6'3 205 2013 Georgia 72 651 107.1
Carlton Mitchell 6'3 215 2009 USF 59 706 110.5
Early Doucet 6'0 210 2006 LSU 73 772 156.4
Jordan Payton 6'1 212 2014 UCLA 99 954 132.8
Scott Long 6'2 214 2008 Louisville 16 201 25.7
Tim Smith 6'0 195 2012 Virginia 39 405 45.7
Levi Norwood 6'2 200 2013 Baylor 60 733 121.2
Jamal Turner 6'1 190 2013 Nebraska 19 102 12.3
Justin Hunter 6'4 203 2012 Tennessee 132 1083 180.2

That's an average of 70 targets, 643 yards and a RYPR of 92.8. Reasonable upside would be Brian Robiskie. A 2010 Junior Hemingway is the baseline; we'll take it.

Comments

Dudeski

September 10th, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^

You're regressing x on x + noise. Of course the relationship's gonna be positive!

RYPR = (receiving yards / total team plays) * Passing S&P+

receiving yards = f(# of targets), with f defined as a function with good linear approximation.

Multiplying by (s&p/plays) introduces noise but does not fix the fallacious reasoning.

 

The Maizer

September 10th, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

I don't think the relationship being positive is meaningful. The analysis is about if a receiver is above or below the "average" of that relationship. Of course a receiver who is targeted more is likely to have more receiving yards, but a receiver that is targeted more that has EVEN MOAR receiving yards is meaningful.

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