The Huskers defense is the strong point of the team [Jeffrey Becker/USA Today]

Fee Fi Foe Film: Nebraska Defense 2021 Comment Count

Alex.Drain October 8th, 2021 at 9:42 AM

Previously: Nebraska Offense 

We return to our regularly scheduled FFFF programming on this fine Friday morning. Yesterday we looked at Nebraska's offense, which was described as the Adrian Martinez show. Though the Huskers torched Northwestern on offense, it's actually the defense that has been carrying the weight for the team. The blackshirts held Oklahoma to just over 400 yards of offense and 23 points, and Michigan State barely got over the 250 yard threshold against this unit. How for real is the defense? Let's investigate: 

 

The Film: We used the Northwestern tape on offense because we had to, due to Nebraska's OL shakeup. It was not my preferred choice, and some of those clips were just astonishingly bad. Thus, free from the confines of having to use the NW tape for this side of the ball, I selected Michigan State, as they are the best team that runs a similar style of offense to Michigan that Nebraska has faced (Oklahoma's offensive philosophy is a poor match for this Michigan team). MSU won that game 23-20 in OT, a game Nebraska famously lost due to a bizarre punt return TD they ceded to Jayden Reed. Step outside of special teams, and Nebraska was clearly the better squad, especially in this side of the ball. Their defense kicked MSU's butt, and I will show you how shortly. 

Personnel: The chart 

Nebraska runs with a front seven that shifts around an awful lot in terms of how it looks. On technicality, you would say that they run a 3-4, with a NT and two DT-ish players, much like Michigan. But as we've learned from watching the Wolverines this year, the actual formations that are trotted out there rarely look like a traditional, Wisconsin-type 3-4. Also like Michigan, the "OLB's" are just defensive ends. Unlike Michigan, there's a true Hybrid Space Player who normally takes the spot of the other "OLB". We'll dig into how this looks on the field in a bit. 

The three DT-ish players are Ty Robinson and Ben Stille, with Damion Daniels as the nose. Deontre Thomas rotates in quite a bit, and those four are the extent of the true linemen you need to know. This is a Nebraska defense that is not heavy on rotation, unlike Michigan (you can tell from how all the starters are "solid red" in the chart above). The DE's masquerading as OLB's are manned by Garrett Nelson and Caleb Tannor. They may play together on pass rushing downs, or it may be just one or the other, but they are largely out there to rush the QB and don't provide much else. Phel Payne is another backup to mention who sees the field some here. 

The LB level sees two traditional ILB's, Nick Henrich and Luke Reimer. Typically it's just two of them out there, and when one comes off, we see Chris Kolarevic rotate in. The Hybrid Space Player (Nebraska does not name it, which is very disappointing) is JoJo Domann, who decided to come back to school rather than to test his chances as a potential late round draft pick. Domann lines up as a DB more often than as a LB, but he has responsibilities in both run defense and coverage. There is not an obvious replacement for him on the defense among the second-stringers. 

The secondary features veteran corner Cam Taylor-Britt, as well as first-time starter Quinton Newsome, who is a tad wobbly and earns this defense's only cyan. Braxton Clark comes on as the third option at corner, but when Nebraska rolls with 5 DB's, it's far more likely they use Domann as the fifth than go with a nickel corner. The two safeties are both grizzled veterans and returning starters, Marquel Dismuke and Deontai Williams. In total, this defense features 8 returning starters from last season and has now been operating under Erik Chinander's scheme for four years. Inexperience is not their problem. 

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Base Set: It's difficult to discern a true base set given how many looks that the Huskers throw out there, but if I had to choose one, I'd probably go with this: 

You have the three down linemen who are all defensive tackles: nose in the middle and two "DT's" outside of him. Then you have one stand-up edge rushing "OLB", who on this play is Garrett Nelson. At the LB level there are the two true linebackers, Reimer and Henrich, lined up in a traditional position. Then you have the two starting outside corners flanking each sideline, and JoJo Domann, the Hybrid Space Player, lined up in the slot as a "fifth DB". Lastly, there's the two deep safeties representing this Cover 2 centric team. 

However, this isn't the only look Nebraska will throw at you. There's also this: 

Here you have only one deep safety, three corners, and Domann is being used at the line of scrimmage (second from the top here). There are also only two DT's in this image, and two of the pass rushing OLB's are on the field together, Nelson on one side and Payne on the other. 

Later in the game Nebraska went with an approach even heavier on DB's to try and stop MSU from moving the football down the field through the air with a chance to win: 

With the threat of the run taken away, Nebraska can go with just three down linemen (two of which are pass rushers), and then load up on DB's. 

The versatility of Domann and the interchangeability of defensive linemen allow Chinander to present a multitude of different formations and fronts for this defense, not unlike what Mike Macdonald is able to do at Michigan. But the first image I put forth is the one that is used most often by the Huskers. 

Man or zone coverage: Nebraska is a base Cover 2 team. They will rotate in other looks depending on circumstance (like the most immediate picture I just showed), with Cover 3 being the other most used approach that I noticed. This is a zone team. 

Pressure: Nebraska averaged 4.38 rushers per play in the game that I watched. That number pulls in on the higher end of teams I've charted this season, a tick below NIU but higher than either Rutgers or Wisconsin. Like a lot of teams, they send four on the average play, but ramping up to five was not unusual, and UNL did toss in some all-out blitzes that saw six or even seven (!) guys rush. I clipped a few of those and will show them later. 

Dangerman: There are a few options I could go with, but the player I came away most impressed with after watching Nebraska in this one was ILB #28 Luke Reimer. This was not something I was really expecting, as ILB was considered the area of most concern for the defense entering the season, but he had a very strong game and has also received favorable grades from PFF. MSU is a team, with the talents of Reed, Nailor, and KWIII, that wants to get to the edge and stretch the field both horizontally and vertically, and I thought Reimer did a fabulous job taking away the ability for the Spartans to really go sideline-to-sideline. Here he is tracking down an option pitch from Thorne to Walker and making a great tackle in space: 

ILB #28 

And another instance where Reimer gets to the sideline in a hurry to limit a potential chunk gain for MSU: 

He can cover too, making another critical tackle just short of the sticks: 

Tackling was the strong point of Reimer's game, I thought, and here he manages to snag Walker by the shoestring to hold him to a two yard gain: 

Nebraska bottled up Michigan State's previously potent rushing attack by winning the battle at the line of scrimmage decisively, but also by having good tacklers who were able to stop Walker from doing his usual thing of stiff-arming one dude, shredding another guy, and then requiring a gang to bring him down. Reimer was one of those good tacklers, be it running sideline to sideline or between the tackles. 

 

Overview

Let's break the Nebraska defense down going level by level, starting with the defensive line. The Husker D definitely helped bring the MSU OL expectations back down to earth after a game in which the Spartan blockers struggled to create any real separation. The first play of the game really set the tone: 

That's #93 Damion Daniels getting into the backfield in a hurry. I thought he had a terrific game for the blackshirts in this one (also notice it's Reimer making the tackle). Daniels absolutely dominated MSU's interior offensive line, and in some cases got help from his fellow linemen. #97 Ben Stille is the headliner of the unit and though he was pretty quiet against the Spartans, I did get to see a window into why he's generally lauded with this play: 

DT #97 lined up over the center

That's Stille driving MSU's center Nick Samac a full two yards back and totally mucking up the play in the process. MSU was completely unable to count on their star RB and his offensive line to convert on 3rd & short situations like they had in preceding weeks against Nebraska. Here's a 3rd & 1 that gets stuffed after Daniels and #99 Ty Robinson, the other starter I've yet to mention, get off their blocks in a hurry and meet Walker a good two yards behind the line of scrimmage: 

Compounding the trouble MSU had with the interior OL is the trouble they had with the pass rush off the edges, particularly Garrett Nelson, who could've gotten a star of his own. Here's the earlier clip of Reimer in coverage, but watch #44 to the bottom of the line of scrimmage: 

That was the third straight play in which Nelson initially got by Spartan LT Luke Campbell on the final MSU drive of regulation. Different game, but Nelson clowned Northwestern's LT last week too: 

He's a dangerous force that Michigan has to be ready for. Speaking of pass rushing, I said I was going to show you some of the heavy blitz packages that Chinander dialed up, and I am a man of my word: 

Yup, that's a 7 man blitz (!) with Reimer being the one who came through almost untouched until Walker made a last second "Oh Shit That Angry Man Is Going To Murder My QB" mini-block to give Thorne enough time to get the pass out incomplete. The safety blitz is also in the playbook: 

That one is executed by Deontai Williams, who does well not to tip it pre-play and the conclusion of the play is a wounded duck interception for a fellow safety down the field. 

The LB level sees the aforementioned Reimer, but also Nick Henrich, who I also felt was quite good against Michigan State. But the real player to watch out for there besides Reimer is the HSP himself, JoJo Domann. This wasn't the most high-event game for JoJo, but you could see glimpses of why PFF rates him among the best players in college football: 

#13 making the tackle

Domann gets off that block in a hurry and makes a potentially TD-saving tackle. He was just as important as Reimer in helping to shut off Michigan State's ability to exploit the sidelines. 

The secondary has some room to be targeted. By virtue of playing Cover 2, there are going to be some soft yards in the flat that are available for the taking if you want them: 

The Spartan offense was generally sputtering like a car stuck in the mud, but their greatest successes came when they were able to mix in the plays that take those free yards with the occasional deep strike. And what I mean by that is this:

That's backup safety Myles Farmer getting toasted by Jayden Reed on the ole Flea Flicker, and it was one of Michigan State's few big plays in this game. Sometimes you have to be tricky to beat a good defense. 

I also felt the secondary was more vulnerable to bad tackling than anyone in the front seven was, personified by this blunder from starting safety Marquel Dismuke, who goes for the hit instead of the tackle on Connor Heyward:  

Not significantly better tackling from the other safety, Deontai Williams, either. That's a play that goes for 34 yards, despite Heyward's speed being best described as "38-year-old Victor Martinez with two bad knees". This game was a thorough beating by Nebraska's front seven on MSU's OL, but when vulnerabilities popped up for the Huskers, they were in the secondary. 

 

So why did Nebraska lose?

I've gone on for awhile about how well I thought Nebraska's defense played in this one, so why did they come out with an L? And why is the team only 3-3? This picture sums it up: 

Notice that that picture details the miscues from "last week", referring to the Oklahoma game. Then they went out and made another batch in this one. This screencap comes from an instance in which the Huskers extended an MSU drive because a defensive linemen suplex'd Payton Thorne for no apparent reason after having made what was supposed to be the drive-ending sack. And then of course, there was the punt return debacle, which I mentioned earlier: 

Throw in MSU executing the Flea Flicker, and that was enough for the Huskers to come out with a loss in a game where they outgained their opponent by nearly 200 yards. This stuff just keeps happening to Nebraska, and every time they do something incomprehensibly stupid, we get treated to images like the one above, with Scott Frost looking bewildered on the sideline. Nebraska's defense can execute 50 consistently good to great snaps and then there are three that are so mind-numbingly atrocious that they negate the cumulative impact of those other 50. And that's how they lose games they should win. 

After going through the components of both sides of the ball for FFFF, I believe this is a good football team. Not a great one, but one with solid players on both offense and defense, one that should be far closer to the Top 25 than to fighting for its Bowl Eligibility Life. But they keep finding ways to lose games, and if you're a Michigan fan, that has to be a ray of optimism entering tomorrow night. 

 

What does this mean for Michigan? 

A lot like on the other side of the ball, where I said that the matchup hinges on Michigan's DL and their ability to get to the QB/shut off the read option game, this one also hinges on the line of scrimmage. Nebraska has completely neutered their opposition's running game for two straight weeks, but I also feel secure in saying that Michigan boasts a better offensive line than either Michigan State or Northwestern. Oklahoma was able to rush for 5.5 yards per carry, and though they run a different kind of offense for Michigan, there is reason to think that a better coached and more talented OL could get push up front. The Wolverines have to hope those descriptors apply to them. 

But more crucially, Michigan needs to pick up the blitzes. They need to have a plan for how to deal with Garrett Nelson, and they have to be ready for both safety blitzes and overload blitzes when Chinander sends the house. Giving McNamara time to throw the ball is pivotal, because I think this one will be won through the air. Remember, this is the same Nebraska defense that let Artur Sitkowski gain yards consistently through the air. Taking the available free yards is step one, and then getting McNamara to hit on a couple deep shots is step two. 

Lastly, just don't make mistakes. Let Nebraska beat themselves, because they have a whole book's worth of experience doing that this season. If Michigan comes in with a game plan and executes it reasonably well, there's a decent chance that UNL will do something boneheaded at least a couple times, and the Maize & Blue can be in position to walk out of Memorial Stadium with a win. 

Comments

Dunder

October 8th, 2021 at 10:06 AM ^

Hoping for a big performance from the UM offensive line here. Running well on this defense would be a very positive sign for the rest of the schedule. 

kejamder

October 8th, 2021 at 10:14 AM ^

I can't decide which of the dozens of individual comments complaining about the cyan to respond to, but the last four games' running chat for Cade (no chart points for WMU):

  • -4.5 Read issues are a major drag on the run game.

  • -3.5 Harbaugh starter=bad reader quietly killing the gun/pistol run game.

  • -4 No doubt sneak. Keeps were off; fumbled snap half of minuses.

  • -6 Fumbled exchange, QBs missing keep reads remain the #1 killer of Michigan drives.

If your complaint is that they're not factoring the pass game into the cyan, fine, but he is undoubtedly the weak link of the run game, which is the clear majority of the offensive game plan.

Watching From Afar

October 8th, 2021 at 10:27 AM ^

Ok, so he didn't have a cyan, but he was called out week after week after week about missing pulls. I'm pretty sure Seth even injected his annoyance at it during Neck Sharpies a few times.

Alex didn't do FFFF while Patterson was here. Seth did. So get annoyed by it I guess, but we're not clamoring for the days of Patterson playing QB.

Hab

October 8th, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^

Maybe I didn't notice or have blotted them from memory, but I can't remember any fumbled snaps and exchanges?  Maybe there was one back in the Washington game?  Or maybe I'm just confusing terminology and fumble means that he's fumbling the mental decision whether to give or keep, allowing defenses to key in on the RBs?  

tkgoblue

October 8th, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^

There is too much focus on the QB being a part of the run game. Just because a QB fakes a keep doesn’t mean that he had any intention of keeping the ball. I would guess that most of those plays are just split zone like the bloggers keep complaining about. It’s pretty clear that Cade is not a dual threat QB and so they don’t really have him involved in the run game. So they need to stop grading him out bad and call it for what it is, a poor play call. So yes, cyan is pretty out of hand. Unless, it some sort of unspoken reverse jinx, it’s clearly undeserved. Gram Mertz on the chart wasn’t even cyan last week and he is awful. Can we just enjoy nice things.

Watching From Afar

October 8th, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^

I would guess that most of those plays are just split zone like the bloggers keep complaining about.

The problem is they still block like it's a read option and that causes problems (not split zone specifically, just in general). I said it up higher in the comments, but it could very well be a coaching problem. They aren't changing the blocking scheme to account for the QB not pulling. They may be hoping the defense respects the threat of a Cade pull, but since it doesn't happen they kind of kneecap themselves.

If Cade isn't going to pull, ever, the offense would be better served adjusting their assignments upfront to avoid leaving unblocked guys to tee off on the RBs because they don't need to chase the QB down. Again, fair to say that's on the coaches and not Cade.

Gram Mertz on the chart wasn’t even cyan last week and he is awful. Can we just enjoy nice things.

Alex clearly called out Mertz's descent into disaster factory territory. But he also cyan-ed a different player on Wisconsin's offense who got absolutely abused by Hutchinson and Ojabo. It wasn't that Mertz wasn't a problem spot (we saw what could happen when he was "on") it was that Wisconsin had a sieve at LT who was more likely to be bad every time they dropped back to pass.

tkgoblue

October 8th, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^

I agree in the fact that it doesn’t make sense to run a read option play with out a read attached. There were a few that Cade obviously had a read attached and missed. Regardless, it’s probably bad coaching decisions based on the fact that our QB cannot execute the play because it’s out of his skill set. He still does plenty in the passing game (which is the QBs main responsibility) to not deserve a cyan circle. Now, on your definition of cyan circle; I think your moving the goal posts a bit on that one. Trouble spot has been reserved for a person that continually disrupts the Team from playing winning football (EG. the reason this defense/offense sucks) It has never been explained as match up based. It also has never been reserved for one player ( 2018 Michigan state oline) so they need to create I different set of symbols for what you are explaining

ak47

October 8th, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^

It gets called because it would absolutely work even with his level of athleticism like when he got 15 easy yards against Washington. And if he did that just twice a game it would allow the running game to function extremely effectively and provides a counter to what this offense does extremely well. Taking it out of the game plan means changing the base play because you've now removed the constraint. The idea that your overall extremely successful rushing attack could approach one of the best in the country if one player could execute his assignment better on relatively easy reads is pretty much the definition of a 'trouble spot'

kejamder

October 8th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^

Would you say that about the service academies' QBs?

I'm not saying that Cade definitely deserves a cyan, but if you listen to the pod or read some of the other writeups on this blog, it shouldn't be that surprising that Brian/Seth feel he does (this is not an Alex thing) given his limitations. Reads seem to be the key to unlocking this offense, and if we ever start slowly & trail in a game, it's going to start to feel uncomfortable real quick if our first options are shut down.

Anyways, I'm just presenting what I assume would be their argument. Maybe it shouldn't show up until (and only if) it turns into a problem against better defenses, and I do agree with others that the cyan is possibly better attributed to the coaches than to Cade, depending on what he's being told to do vs. what he's capable of doing. But overall I'm surprised at the level of outrage.

Blue In NC

October 8th, 2021 at 3:19 PM ^

Army QBs would be different because the PRIMARY job is to run the option and run the football.  Cade's primary job is to limit turnovers, get the ball to playmakers and sometimes punish the D with the long ball or quick reads.  Cade is doing this at an above average level.  Ergo, he is not a "trouble spot."

If you think that Cade's primary job is to run the zone read attack (which would be icing on the cake) then the coaches probably should be starting JJ not Cade.  The fact that Cade is firmly the starter makes me believe that Cade is out there to do the things I mentioned above.

Carpetbagger

October 8th, 2021 at 11:15 AM ^

Yes, that's my complaint. Why would a coaching staff create a run-game that is predicated on the QB making Zone Reads he can't make?

That'd be like a basketball team creating an offense around the 3-pt shot if the whole team couldn't shoot.

Maybe the assumption is he will learn to make the read, so taking them out of the plan would make the whole offense learn 2 styles of play. If so, well, that's just life with limited practice time.

Michael Scarn

October 8th, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^

I am not clear on where this idea comes from that this run game is predicated on zone reads.  We have seen some unblocked ends that look to be read, but to act like that is the foundation of this running game is absurd.

The foundation of this running game is the fact it can effectively hit you with a diverse array of both zone and gap blocked plays.  The list is too long, but just a few: inside zone, split zone, wham, bash, short trap, power, down G, duo, outside zone, stretch, lead, counter... 

There are scant plays where there is a run-read action for Cade.  He has RPO tags, but let's not pretend unblocked DEs are blowing up every play.  The split zone issue last week was due to a stud 4i, which Michigan effectively adjusted to by wham/trapping him. 

This offense is top 15 in points scored.  Perhaps we'd like to revert to running a true zone read offense, put up 600 yards a game, 21 points, and get the starter hurt consistently.

Carpetbagger

October 8th, 2021 at 11:49 AM ^

Ok, so it's even worse. We only run a few a game (not my impression from how the writers here continually hyperventilate over the issue), and so far McNamara sucks at them. So he gets a Cyan.

Even dumber then.

Good point though, I do remember the number of "reads" was 5 or something one game?

I'm happy with our offense. Personally, I think running your QB more than once a game is dumb unless you have a real talent QB, or no choice. We do.

yossarians tree

October 8th, 2021 at 11:46 AM ^

Like it or not, Cade being unable/unwilling to keep IS the biggest problem with Michigan's offense. Even if he does learn to keep, it will only be mildly effective because he is...ummmm...not fast ( I believe somebody pointed out his 40 time was 5.01). Until he demonstrates that he can really hurt me over and over, if I'm the opposing DC I would key on the RB every single time. Of course, he can still throw from the keep, but we've seen little of that.

My question is, if they scrap the ZR when Cade is in the game, what is the alternative? Extra tight end? Add a fullback that does not exist on the roster?

LeCheezus

October 8th, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^

I think both of these FFFF give Nebraska too much credit.  They are an average P5 team, which does mean they can beat a top 25 team in their house if you play a bad game. Cade with a cyan circle?  Others have already pointed out this makes no sense. Calling their HSP "one of the best players in college football"?  No, he isn't.  Aiden Hutchinson is one of the best players in college football (who, incidentally, will be going up against a RS FR or True FR tackle).  The guy who "might have been a late round draft pick last year" is not.

The BPONE beatings will continue until morale improves, it appears.  

ak47

October 8th, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^

What’s your proof he’s overeating nebraska? A detailed scouting report? Your unprofessional eye test? You just looking at their record? Because based off underlying numbers this is a 5-1 team with one loss on the road to a top 10 team and a road win over a ranked opponent. Sure you can try to count on turnovers and horrendous special teams mistakes but that is relatively random.

Not to mention being a fringe top 25 team is just slightly above average p5 team, it’s not even that much of a compliment. If they just won the close games they mostly dominated against Illinois and msu they’d probably be ranked top 15. There’s a reason both fancy stats and vegas has this a 3 point game 

LeCheezus

October 8th, 2021 at 11:15 AM ^

Well, since you asked, I went and looked through who they played, who those teams played, and how the games played out.  I made a post about it in the FFFF Nebraska Offense post if you're that interested, which you seem to be.  

Also, they LOST TO FUCKING ILLINOIS.  How's that for a fancy stat?

I love how "fancy stats" are now valued more than "scoring more points than the other team in the existing structure of a 60 minute football game." Man, just look at those expected points they put up on second down when the sun is at a 60 degree angle to the stadium! Did you already forget that Vegas had Wisconsin -2 last weekend?  

"If they just won the close games"...Scott Frost has a miserable record in close games at Nebraska, at some point that isn't just bad luck.

 

agp

October 8th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^

""Did you already forget that Vegas had Wisconsin -2 last weekend?" 

Vegas isn't literally right every time, but they are usually. They use more 'fancy stats' than you can imagine to come up with the lines, ensure they're properly calibrated, etc. Furthermore, random acts, like injuring their starting C in warmups and their starting QB and TE during the game are not possible to bake into the pregame lines. There is a reason that advanced stats are more valuable for predictive/projection purposes than "scoring more points than the other team in the existing structure of a 60 minute football game". While the latter is the only way to judge a team's W-L resume, conference standings, etc., the former is more likely to be able to tell you what's going to happen in the next game, or the game after, and so on. Source: I have built/worked on ML models for Sports Books. 

ak47

October 8th, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^

Nobody is arguing Nebraska won that game, but the whole point of fancy stats is look more closely and try to not ridiculously overreact to a sample size of one. That is the whole point. So its nice you went back and looked at who they played but that isn't real analysis. In terms of predictive value going forward the fact that Nebraska outgained MSU by 200 yards is much more instructive than the fact that their punter punted in the wrong direction. That doesn't seem like a difficult concept to understand.

LeCheezus

October 8th, 2021 at 1:49 PM ^

Aren't fancy stats saying more that a game isn't a sample size of one, it's a sample size of 60-80 offensive plays, 60-80 defensive plays, and 10ish special teams plays?  Of course fancy stats aren't pointless, but you're going from using them to augment W/L record to basically saying they mean more than whether or not you won the game.  Is it more important that Nebraska outgained MSU by 200 yards, or did MSU have a M/Rutgers second half that isn't indicative of their overall play?  I think it is equally important that Nebraska turned into a pumpkin trying to close that game out.  After giving up the PR touchdown, they went 4 and out, followed by a failed drive to get into FG range that started with 47 seconds left in the game. Threw a terrible INT in OT, then Walker breaks a bunch of tackles immediately and basically ices the game on the next play.

Here was what i wrote about OU, although I apologize that it doesn't count as "real analysis" to you.

I'm not buying that OU is a top ~5 team.  Talent wise, sure.  Actually playing the games?  They are sloppy and let teams hang around because (I know this is blasphemy around here) they throw the ball too much and are prone to short drives when things don't go to plan, particularly when their "Heisman candidate" QB goes "fuck it, I'm throwing this into triple coverage anyways."

- Let Tulane (zero FBS wins on the season) hang around after a hurricane displaced the game to be an OU home game

- Struggled at home against Nebraska (Only P5 win - Northwestern, only other FBS win Buffalo)

- Held on to beat West Virginia by 3 at home (Only P5 win - VT, lost to MD and Texas Tech)

- I guess they finally did beat Kansas State, so that's something.

In other words, they've struggled against other average teams besides Nebraska, so maybe that is equally an OU thing as it is a Nebraska thing.  Fancystat yourself into thinking Nebraska is a good team all you want, they still only have one P5 win and it was against Northwestern.

abt424

October 8th, 2021 at 10:23 AM ^

Man, everybody dinging the writer for Cade having a cyan circle. 

Probably shouldn't have one, as he has thrown a few great deep balls, but I could at least make an argument that he is a trouble spot. And people have talked about why every single week. Michigan is a run-first team that's handicapping itself because the quarterback doesn't/can't/isn't allowed to make the right reads. 

It doesn't say cyan means bad player ... it says trouble spot. 

 

Also, this game is scary. Expecting a team to make the same mistakes at home as they've made on the road ... not a recipe for winning. And both of those mistake-filled games happened in tough road environments (MSU and Oklahoma). We need to bring the A game. 

Hab

October 8th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

If only the team had experience this year playing difficult games on the road...  I agree with your sentiment that this could be a difficult game, as Martinez can be electric in the way that Mertz wasn't.  Plus it's a night game.  Plus it's away.  I get it.  So yes, lots of risk here.  I'll settle for Nebraska out-hitting us like they have in the past.

abt424

October 8th, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^

If only the team had experience this year playing difficult games on the road...  I agree with your sentiment that this could be a difficult game, as Martinez can be electric in the way that Mertz wasn't.  Plus it's a night game.  Plus it's away.  I get it.  So yes, lots of risk here.  I'll settle for Nebraska out-hitting us like they have in the past.

 

They certainly passed the test of winning a road game at 11 am against a team that already had lost two games. 

Sorry if that sounds sarcastic. It's honestly not. That win is a step forward in the Harbaugh era.

I believe this will be a different challenge. Night game against a team with a running quarterback and a defense that already has done a great job limiting Oklahoma and Michigan State. And both of those were road games for the Huskers. 

Honestly, if they win this game I'm ready to jump on board and say they've turned a corner in terms of the typical Harbaugh pitfalls. I think it's going to be a dogfight. 

Tex_Ind_Blue

October 8th, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^

"They certainly passed the test of winning a road game at 11 am against a team that already had lost two games. "

--- Will it be the same team everyone thought would beat Michigan in Camp Randall before the season and leading up to the game? Yes, Wisconsin does not seem like the team it was expected to be, but you can't move your goalpost after the fact. Not that either of us would win a supreme court judgement that way. 

Just pointing it out. 

abt424

October 8th, 2021 at 5:57 PM ^

I'm not quite sure why people use "moving the goalposts" as a derogatory term. We have more data points now than we did before the season started. You have more information.

If you haven't change your thoughts on anything you're ignorantly sticking to your preconceived opinion. Your opinion should change. 

The season already is better than I expected it to be. And that's great. I still see the possibility of four losses on the schedule. If Michigan wins this weekend on the road, I'll probably drop that to the possibility of two losses ... and maybe one. Michigan State in East Lansing and Penn State in Happy Valley. It changes.  

I don't believe there's anything wrong with changing those expectations as you gain more knowledge.   

How people view that win in Madison will continue to change. If Wisconsin goes undefeated the rest of the year, stomping everybody and beating Iowa, that win is going to look better than it does right now. If Wisconsin beats everybody and loses to Iowa, Wisconsin will be considered an average team. That win will look about the same as it does now. Wisconsin loses to Iowa and drops another surprise game or two, the Badgers were just not that good this year, and that win shouldn't be looked at as being very impressive.

 

 

 

Hab

October 8th, 2021 at 1:55 PM ^

I agree that playing at Nebraska at night will pose unique challenges.  Playing at 11am against arguably the best defense in the country (despite the losses) was not nothing and should be predictive about our chances for success tomorrow night.

MGlobules

October 8th, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^

I'm a little frustrated by that cyan. But I'm more frustrated that the writer doesn't speak to the why.

Accountability. Something that this site has, at times, lacked, as obvious issues dragged on and on and on. Unforced errors, ofttimes. 

Obviously, the cyan has become an issue. So tell us. 

 

 

McGreenB

October 8th, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^

I really like Cade. I think he's 100% the guy if our defense is 2016 level good. Unfortunately, it's not that. We'll need big plays through the air. That sounds more like a job for JJ. Hope "Quit Cryin 'Cause Your Cyan" Cade can prove me wrong.  

bronxblue

October 8th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^

JJ McCarthy has thrown two deep balls against the deep backups of WMU and Wisconsin late in blowouts; Cade McNamara has thrown bombs against the actual starting defenders of all the good teams UM has played this year.  But yes, please keep telling me how "big plays through the air" are only possible with McCarthy.

STW P. Brabbs

October 8th, 2021 at 10:31 AM ^

I have refrained from any complaining about BPONE here, even when it gets a bit self-indulgent at times.  And it's one thing to pick apart the coaching.  They get paid a lot.  Sometimes their gameplans are pretty frustrating.  They once ran the HaskinsCat twice in a row against Sparty when we had a 6'5" battleship of a starting QB.

But putting cyan on Cade is just fucking dumb. Our sophomore starting QB is not an NFL-quality player, but he's done pretty much everything asked of him, and there's no goddamn way you would put a circle on him if he was on another team. 

Maybe it's some kind of cute little wink to a jinx or "Michigan can't ever have nice things," but if that's the case just let BiSB write these (or do your best impression of him) so it's clear they're supposed to be clever and funny.  My sense is that this feature takes itself to be serious analysis, though, so again: the cyan is dumb as hell. 

Edit: I probably should have limited myself to “dumb as hell” and avoided “fucking dumb.” Probably more vitriol than necessary.

Also, Baldwin is not a starting WR. Wilson had 20 more snaps than he did against UW. Who’s doing these charts, anyway? 

Blau

October 8th, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^

Eh, I agree the cyan for Cade is probably a little too harsh given some recent passing success post-Thunder/Lightning ground showcase. I'm more inclined to believe that Alex more or less meant that the game will be won through the air and we only have 3 quarters of the Wisconsin game to go off of to boost confidence. If Cade avoids pressure and completes a few throws to soften the D, maybe that'll help spring Haskins or Corum for a long run every once in a while.

Think this will be the toughest test of the season.

 

abertain

October 8th, 2021 at 10:59 AM ^

The scouting here suggest this is the best team Michigan has played this year, which would make that three point spread even more reasonable. Seems like it might be a lot closer than some expect. Turnovers are random! 

The cyan on Cade is silly, but the obsession with getting rid of Cade as fast as possible is also silly, from Sam on down it seems everyone has decided JJ is the future...now. Except, Cade hasn't taken a sack or turned the ball over once. He has done absolutely zero to lose the job, and he is proving to be an above average college quarterback. 

skatin@the_palace

October 8th, 2021 at 11:03 AM ^

Kind of feels like the classic primetime Nebraska night game situation of the last decade. Nebraska is scrappy or beat up on bad teams, comes in feeling confident and promptly gets 50+ dropped on them like an ACME piano in a looney tunes episode. 

Scott Frost does not seem like he's got the chops to coach in the B1G at this point. It'd be nice if we have one of those "Impose our will via the run game" with a couple of big pass plays. My guess is that they've put more into this week's game plan than Rutgers with NU and the bye coming up. Let's hope we finish the first half of the season strong, healthy and unblemished as we get ready for sparty. 

skatin@the_palace

October 8th, 2021 at 11:03 AM ^

Kind of feels like the classic primetime Nebraska night game situation of the last decade. Nebraska is scrappy or beat up on bad teams, comes in feeling confident and promptly gets 50+ dropped on them like an ACME piano in a looney tunes episode. 

Scott Frost does not seem like he's got the chops to coach in the B1G at this point. It'd be nice if we have one of those "Impose our will via the run game" with a couple of big pass plays. My guess is that they've put more into this week's game plan than Rutgers with NU and the bye coming up. Let's hope we finish the first half of the season strong, healthy and unblemished as we get ready for sparty. 

Blue Vet

October 8th, 2021 at 11:07 AM ^

Not comfortable putting much faith in Nebraska mistakes. Though they’ve proven their MoM (Mastery of Mistakery), even the biggest klutz can sometimes walk for an hour without falling down.  

RAH

October 9th, 2021 at 12:34 AM ^

Agree. There is definitely an element of randomness in mistakes and turnovers. It is quite probable that the same unusually high number of mistakes and bad bounces that took place the last two weeks won't occur 3 games n a row. Likely even less likely since the other 2 were on the road and this will be at home and at night. 

And if they had only had 3 or four major mistakes/flukes against Oklahoma and MSU you Nebraska would likely have beaten both Oklahoma and MSU on the road.

 It seems to me that all those confident that Michigan will win easily are seriously underestimating Nebraska.

The Homie J

October 8th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^

Agreed with everyone else here, the cyan on Cade is utterly ridiculous.  The only justification is the reverse jinx, but you have to spell that out or it looks like you're negging a guy for not being Denard Robinson on the ground.  He's no trouble spot but I'm fine with trying to reverse jinx him into a great season (which he's having so far).

Otherwise, this should be the 2nd toughest defense we've faced (Wisky being first obviously).  But I think we may put up more yards on the ground given our performance last week and the fact that teams will have to start respecting Cade's ability to pass or else they risk getting bombed over their heads like Wisky was.  If Cade keeps up his level of play from last week, there's not a lot of defenses that can both withstand our OL's push (which is the best it's been since 2018 with that all NFL line or going back to 2011) and keep up with our skill players who look to finally pick up the slack leftover from Ronnie Bell's absence.  Here's to a game that finally cements the idea that this is a great team in most people's minds.

lunchboxthegoat

October 8th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^

I had faith before reading the FFFF -- I think we're more well coached than Frost's team and that will (hopefully) pay dividends. The FFFF have cemented my confidence.

 

This team played very loose and comfortable in Camp Randall --I don't know that Memorial Stadium is going to be a significant factor in this game. 

 

There are two major keys, to me: 

Can we execute any of the speed in space/spread concept stuff with our slot ninjas/RBs if our OL is unable to handle their DTs?

and 

Are we better defending the ZR / triple option than we were at defending the inverted veer? 

If we can play either of those to a win or draw I think we're in business.