The FBI Investigation Is Actually Good
don't feel bad for these vampires plz
There is a predictable set of bins people fling themselves in whenever it's revealed that someone playing college sports got money to do so.
"DAY OF GREAT SHAME" BIN: A rapidly dwindling category mostly filled by NCAA administrators who are literally paid to misunderstand economics. Also includes revanchist portions of NCAA fanbases, the sizes of which directly correspond to perceived cleanliness. Michigan and Notre Dame have tons of these fans; Memphis not so much.
"BUT THE DETAILS" BIN: A slightly woke-r segment of the populace, this group is hypothetically okay with paying players as long as you have a 100-page congressional bill that covers every last eventuality. Like to bring up Title IX as if that disqualifies the Olympic option. Frequently baffled by capitalism despite participating in it daily. Extremely concerned that some people might get paid more than other people. Like positing the status quo as a potential dystopia. NIMBYs for college sports. They are in favor of buildings, just not this building or that building. Or that other building.
"WHO CARES" BIN: The woke and cynical. See bagmen as folk heroes, more or less. Advocate burning down the system but fight and/or downplay anyone who would talk about the hidden details as a "cop." Sometimes right about this. Hate the status quo. Wish to preserve the status quo, at least as far as the under-the-table aspects go. Doesn't correlate a willingness to ignore mutually-agreed upon rules with, say, screwing around on your wife with every prostitute you can find. Or having a fraudulent department in your university. Or ignoring a rape.
At this late date, the first group is hopeless. The second is irritating and largely arguing in bad faith when they bring up things like "what if boosters gave players a lot of cash?!?!?!" I fell into the Andy Staples hole a few days ago by quote-tweeting these uniquely infuriating takes on why making the current system more equitable is impossible. I refer you to Twitter if you'd like to relive this dark period.
I'd like to talk to the third group, though. The Who Cares bin frequently overlooks any potential upsides to the underground enterprise coming to light. Deadspin's Barry Petchesky:
What is the purpose of any straight college-scandal reporting, other than shaming players for trying to earn a tiny fraction of the money they’re earning for their schools and the NCAA? (I actually have an answer for this! The only reason fans and readers really care about recruiting scandals is because they’re hoping to see their rivals punished, and to be able to hold it over their heads for all eternity. Everything is fandom.)
That is certainly a reason but it's far from the only one. Without intervention there is no way the NCAA's system changes. Revenues have skyrocketed for twenty years and the only concessions the players have gotten have been either court-enforced or attempts to head off a PR disaster.
Without someone coming in and ripping the top off the anthill* this will continue in perpetuity. And while college basketball players are currently recouping some of their value under the table, it's nowhere near what they would in an open system. Patrick Hruby explains at... uh... Deadspin:
It’s no secret that the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s amateurism rules suppress above-board athlete compensation. Bowen’s supposed price tag shows that players are being shortchanged under the table, too. Let’s do the napkin math. First, compare NCAA basketball to the National Basketball Association—or any major sport where athletes enjoy their full rights and protections under antitrust and labor law, instead of being treated like second-class American citizens. ...
For schools at the highest level of the sport—that is, top 10-caliber programs that need the very best recruits to remain elite both in terms of winning lots of games and reaping the financial rewards that come with winning lots of games—the same NCPA study estimates that the average player is actually worth about $900,000 a year. And even that amount may be selling Bowen short, because if Louisville’s players received 50 percent of their school’s basketball revenues, they’d each be worth $1.72 million annually.
This money is instead going to worthless things like waterfalls and football locker rooms with VR headsets and Jim Delany. It will continue going to these things until such time as it is obvious to all that the NCAA's rules are not only unjust but entirely unenforceable, save the unlikely intervention of a subpoena-bearing organization. It will continue until and unless the NCAA is faced with a choice between its rules and money. An NCAA tournament in which no one gets to see Duke or a half-dozen other blue-bloods lose takes money out of CBS's pockets and therefore the NCAA's pockets. And we know what the NCAA will do: it will bend as much as it needs to maximize the amount of money entering the pockets of its executives.
That is at the very least the restoration of name and image rights to players and the expansion of the Olympic model to all sports, because that doesn't cost the NCAA anything. The FBI's investigation speeds up that day—and if it's big enough it might prompt it directly. Therefore it is good, sports tribalism aside.
*[Or a player strike at a key moment. See my annual plea for a basketball team in the national title game to go on strike for 15 no-commercial minutes at the scheduled tip time.]
February 27th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
What Hath Brian Wrought?
February 27th, 2018 at 3:15 PM ^
"That is at the very least the restoration of name and image rights to players and the expansion of the Olympic model to all sports, because that doesn't cost the NCAA anything. The FBI's investigation speeds up that day—and if it's big enough it might prompt it directly. Therefore it is good, sports tribalism aside."
Would that mean that EA would be willing to make a new NCAA football game? If so, then I am completely on board with this!
February 27th, 2018 at 3:20 PM ^
If you want players to get paid, then someone needs to start their own professional teams and pay them. Otherwise they're student atheletes who have the privelege to play and get an expensive education for free--and get top notch training in wonderful facilities for professional athletic carreers. In fact, colleges should really be looking to charge the players who make it to the NFL, NBA, MLB for all of the expensive training they get for free.
As for corruption, keep investigating and keep prosecuting crimes like you do with every other aspect of human society.
February 27th, 2018 at 8:09 PM ^
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February 27th, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
• Flat out don't believe college athletes should get paid
• Young people can't handle getting that much money. They'll be more posses and hanger ons of players
• People paying players will be demanding of their time and performance. What happens if player X misses a tackle or throws a pick? How will their "employer" react?
• If recruit takes money from someone but decides to attend a different university, what would happen?
• Players (and their families) would need agents or lawyers to help complete contracts. The system would still be open to corruption, it would just come in a different form. Families and student athletes would end up being the victims.
I do think players should get paid. There could still be lots of potential problems.
February 27th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^
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February 27th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
If a sport generates a net positive revenue for a school, then it should be exempt from Title IX. These programs are self sufficient and should be granted the autonomy to go with it.
Interesting idea. Good luck getting it through both houses of congress and the White House, since that's where it would have to go. Unless you think the Supreme Court is going to step in with this particular ruling.
February 27th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
February 27th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
somehow I think it could get past this WH if you know what I mean.
February 27th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
D-1 college basketball players absolutely need to get paid. Pay each player the same amount across the board. $50-$75K for each season they play and if you want to keep a sheen of amateurism on it - put 80-90% of that $ into an account they can't touch until they graduate/officially leave school. Let them earn money off jersey sales and use of their likeness and put that money in the same account.
Power 5 conferences should play their football players as well. They should get the same - $50/$75K per season. The other conferences will have to be less - $20K(?).I'm not an economist so I didn't run any economic models on this. While it could be tough for some schools, I doubt it will bankrupt the NCAA or big programs like Michigan.
This should bring down the outrageous salaries that go to coaches, administrators and dickhead executives. There's too much money in this for these kids not to get paid.
February 27th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
But wait, I'm the star of the team carrying the bench warmers, why don't I get paid bigger bucks?
February 27th, 2018 at 5:57 PM ^
But wait, I'm the star of the team carrying the bench warmers, why don't I get paid bigger bucks?
February 27th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
The problem with the NCAA is not cheating institutions nor is it the atrocious one and done basketball rule but rather that the institution has backed itself into a corner where they cannot punish cheating institutions in a real and meaningful way. You don't get any blacker in regards to ethics than enabling a child rapist (Penn State); promoting an abuse culture (Baylor); or sweeping sexual assault alligations under the rug (MSU) without any harsh punishment dealt. The last successful punishment that affected change that I know of was Michigan's basketball cheating scandal which was finalized over a decade ago.
Since then North Carolina has been caught faking classes; Ole Miss paying players; and we are still seeing the early results of an FBI investigation in which two names implicated were cleared in less than a few days. The NCAA is a joke but it isn't because players are becoming bolder in accepting compensation but because they refuse to do anything about it and everyone knows it.
The NCAA could allow for players to be compensated generously tomorrow and some institutions will still cheat. We will be back in less than a decade discussing moving the bar again because cheating has become accepted.
Hookers anyone?
February 27th, 2018 at 4:19 PM ^
See, here's the problem: The money has never gone to the players and has always gone to administrators, buildings, other sports, etc.
The only difference now from 1987 or 1977 is that there's quite a bit more money going to those things.
Which means the objection to that isn't really a matter of principle, but instead just one of relative degree:
"It's fine if a school spends a million dollars on other stuff, but if it's ten million, we need to rip up the system from the ground floor."
To which, I would simply ask, "Why?" Why is a scholarship enough if the coach makes $500,000, but not if he makes $5 million?" What's the tipping point there? One million? Two million? It's all pure guesswork and gut feel, nothing more.
The schools have always had enough money to pay players -- why now?
February 27th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^
How many players on the 2017 Michigan football team are even "worth" the value of their four-year scholarship?
February 27th, 2018 at 4:34 PM ^
And it's also quite bizarre to call a full-ride scholarship "underpaid" when people like Jordan Kovacs (and the thousands of walk-ons from time immemorial) were willing to "work" at the same "job" for literally free.
Do the "Death to the NCAA" Deadspin types ever even consider these obvious points?
I was a pretty decent IM basketball player BITD, and would have walked over broken glass to walk onto the varsity for free. The idea that that would have been "work" is just batshit insane.
February 27th, 2018 at 4:42 PM ^
This whole issue has me in a weird place.
I know that the current system suppresses the pay being provided to players. I also know that of all the inequity in the world, fighting on "pay the players" hill feels kinda wrong*.
I have trouble deciding whether giving the few players that are "only" getting a marginal deal (free college, training toward the next level) a better deal (that plus booster money) is going to offset the potential for changing a paradigm that we are all comfortable** with.
I don't know exactly what bad thing will happen if we let the booster genie out of the bottle, but I just can't see how giving fat cat-types full access to college players is going to be a net positive.
*cynically, this push for paying the players is because we are one of the lucky "haves" and would likely benefit from allowing a quasi-professional system. If we were MSU or Iowa I doubt we'd be so gung-ho.
**comfortable as in we are aware of the ins-and-outs of the system in place and still somehow get enjoyment out of it.
February 27th, 2018 at 5:44 PM ^
February 27th, 2018 at 7:06 PM ^
While I don't disagree entirely, I think sometimes Brian argues with strawmen. Yes, top basketball and football players make a lot of money for their schools, and no question that that money would be better spent on those players than on waterfalls. Here are a few thoughts:
- Fans don't pay just to watch Bruce Bowen, but instead to watch compettive games involving players like Bowen. Unlimited compensation could mean that handful of programs become so dominant that they are essentially the Harlem Globetrotters.
- I think Craig Ross made this argument on the roundtable, but I think college sports popularity does require some sense that these are students who resemble the students that the fans are or once were. There may be some delusion involved but that's part of it. If players are making into the six figures, I think they resemble players in Europe who happen to take some classes more than students who may not want to be there. There's nothing wrong with this in theory, but the popularity of college basketball in the US is much greater than European pro ball and I wonder if explicit professionalization could reduce the appeal.
I'm not saying than the players shouldn't get more compensation than they currently do (six figures in tuition is a form of comp), but I think radical change could also kill the golden goose.
February 28th, 2018 at 12:42 PM ^
Your second bullet point is the one that is most important to me....these guys ALREADY have a life that is so far removed from the average student that it's hard to have that connection of "I'm rooting for you because we come from the same place and have being a student in common". Once you go full compensation/professionalization, what's left of that tining string holding me and these kids together goes away completely. You're not here because you love this place like I do, it's simply because we could offer you more than the other guy. I recognize this is probably a stupid emotional take, though.
February 28th, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
Brian lives in a bit of a bubble on this. The vast majority of people are actually in group 1, then group 2, and then there’s a very small, but vocal, group of people in group 3.
February 27th, 2018 at 7:11 PM ^
My post posted twice, so since I can edit but not delete I thought would add the following. A compromise might involve a stipend along with a signaficant insurance policy for likely NCAA prospects along with a fund that otherwise compensate players going forward with post-graduate education and other benefits for those who don't make the NBA.
February 27th, 2018 at 9:53 PM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
The vast majority of college athletes are in fact student-athletes. The number is probably something like 98%, if you count the entire NCAA. What's the point of blowing it all up for a tiny, non-representative niche group?
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