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Buckner vs Buckner Comment Count

Brian October 11th, 2021 at 1:27 PM

10/9/2021 – Michigan 32, Nebraska 29 – 6-0, 3-0 Big Ten

At the end of seminal 1998 poker movie Rounders, Mike McDermott walks back into the underground club where he lost his whole bankroll years before. He says he "feels like Buckner walking back into Shea." I watched Rounders again a couple months ago because having something on to pay attention to is helpful when your personal life is spiraling towards divorce.

I came to regret this, because the phrase would not leave my mind.

In my current situation, Shea is damn near everywhere. The park I walk through to get my kid from school was  the site of a couple other walks, late night ones. The little court I cut through to get there is one letter off the name of the town we stayed on an anniversary trip that felt like it would be the end of the bad times and the beginning of the good ones, until it wasn't. I've lived in the same town—the same part of the same town—for 15 years. Everything and everywhere reminds me of the state of things.

Buckner walking back into Shea, if Shea was the Big Bang. Or, no: more like that episode of The Next Generation when Beverley Crusher gets stuck in a universe that keeps getting smaller.

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Consider two football teams, now. Both are ancient and dignified and scattered apart on the sands of what used to be a championship-level program. Both are run by former quarterbacks from the glory days. Neither has broken through in the way their large, absurdly devoted fanbases want. One constantly shoots itself in the foot just on the verge of poking through. The other does the same thing but somehow one feels more like a Three Stooges movie and the other a Lars Von Trier joint. Which is which depends on which team you're a fan of.

History has decided that these two teams are going to play each other, and that it's going to be close. Inevitably whatever happens now will go in the collective psychosis of the loser. The winner? Dopamine hit, sure. But if Bill Buckner walked back into Shea and fielded a routine grounder it wouldn't change a whole lot. Damage is quick, recovery is long.

If you ignore the jersey color of the winner, then, the result here was foreordained. More mania for Nebraska fans looking at a punt that went the wrong way and a late fumble and oh God whatever it takes to lose to Illinois. More caution for Michigan fans who do not trust that anything can be good. One fanbase spirals down, the other barely increments up. The moral arc of college football is always towards derangement.

After the game Cade McNamara stood in front of a reporter and told her that "previous Michigan teams lose this game." He prefaced that with a "no disrespect" gesture. That hit in the same way any "I'm not an X, but" statement does. There must be a German word for it, the phrase that disclaims the thing you're about to do and only intensifies how hard you're doing it. That was disrespect—disrespect that was on some level deserved. Previous Michigan teams have lost this game and others like it.

This Michigan team is probably going to as well, because that's what happens in college football unless you're one of the elites living in the recruiting arcologies Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State have built. And in this weird post-covid year, even two of those three. The Revenge Tour team that did seem like a playoff team lost a cosmically dumb and stupid and dumb game against Iowa, and then ate The Spot a couple weeks later. There's no shame in being caught up in the tides of college football.

I don't trust it and probably won't trust it until long after it is reasonable to do so. But okay. You went into Shea—in this case a road game against an approximately top 25 team per the fancystats—and fielded a grounder. A tricky one, even. A cool tile has gone down over some lava. Trust comes back one tile at a time, and maybe this time the Michigan team won't lose those games. And when they do maybe it won't feel like another in a long line of errors.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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#1 Brad Hawkins. The crucial strip and recovery to set up the winning points, plus an equally critical fourth down stop on Nebraska's first drive. I can't say for certain that he wasn't part of some of Nebraska's big plays but I'm pretty sure none of them were on him; he in fact had to clean up one when he came over to tackle a wheel route that (probably) Green busted on. Almost knocked that ball out for another turnover on downs.

#2 Hassan Haskins. The hurdle, of course, and several other grunting runs where he makes four or five yards after contact with his combination of power and balance. 5.9 YPC against a real defense despite frequent short yardage deployment.

#3 Jake Moody. More than just a guy who makes field goals. He's a guy who makes field goals in the same exact way, casually drawing them in from the left hash mark. Kick goes up, kick looks slightly wide, have now been trained to interpret that as a sign something good is going to happen.

Honorable mention: Uh Aidan Hutchinson was PFF's defensive player of the week again so I guess he should get an HM. Dax Hill turned in one spectacular INT and several other plays. Blake Corum had 18 touches that averaged 7 yards each. Josh Ross delivered several thumping tackles. The OL checks in here with special mention to Stueber, who was paving.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

23: Aidan Hutchinson (HM WMU, #2 Wash, #1 Rutgers, #1 Wisc, HM Neb)
17: The OL (#1 Wash, #1 NIU, HM Neb)
12: Hassan Haskins (HM WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, #2 Neb), Blake Corum (#2 WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, HM Neb)
8: Ronnie Bell (#1 WMU), Brad Hawkins (#1 Neb)
7: Dax Hill (#3 WMU, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Wisc, HM Neb)
6: Nikhai Hill-Green(HM NIU, #2 Rutgers)
5: David Ojabo (#2 Wisc), Brad Robbins (HM Wash, #3 Rutgers, HM Wisc), Jake Moody (HM Wash, HM Wisc, #3 Neb)
4: AJ Henning (HM WMU, #3 NIU), Josh Ross (HM Wash, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Neb)
3: Donovan Edwards(T2 NIU), Roman Wilson (#3 Wisc)
2: Cornelius Johnson(HM NIU, HM Wisc),
1: Andrew Vastardis (HM WMU),Mike Sainristil (HM WMU),  Mazi Smith (HM Wash), Gemon Green(HM NIU), Chris Hinton (HM Rutgers)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Hawkins's late strip and recovery sets Michigan up for a chip shot to win.

Honorable mention: Sainristil lays out for a long ball. Haskins hurdles a dude. Corum zips through an insert iso for a touchdown-creating chunk.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

McNamara throws a terrible interception immediately after a Nebraska TD, setting up their go-ahead score.

Honorable mention: Illegal formation TD, various missed deep shots, Nebraska quackery getting Michigan's linebackers running after ghosts.

[After THE JUMP: hello ground game]

OFFENSE

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Live by the deep ball, die by the deep ball. McNamara's deep shots in this game were not on point. Even the one he hit to Sainristil took him off his feet, which ended up taking four points off the board when Michigan couldn't punch it in from the five. Other opportunities were largely uncatchable. At times I was reminded of Wilton Speight against Iowa in Kinnick, when hitting any one of five or six shots would have been enough.

But he did hit the one, even if it required a circus catch, and Michigan moved the ball pretty well. I feel conflicted about McNamara's overall performance to date, performance in this game, performance against Wisconsin, etc. I am wishy-washy about all of it.

Leak. Michigan did this three times:

That's gonna be some RPS, dinking to your TE for critical third down conversions.

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The run game returns. Wisconsin may be that good on the ground and Michigan may be quite good when they're not disrespecting Rutgers. Michigan ran a lot of successful gap stuff, some insert iso, some split zone (which felt pretty meh) and got two big plays in which they blocked a for a bunch of yards and then their backs went and got some more. (The third big play, Corum's TD, was bash on which the OL was not relevant.)

This is a defense that shut down MSU by shooting Spartan OL back on a down-to-down basis. This performance is a major boost to the idea that Michigan's ground game is potent even against good teams. Now if you can work in some more RPO/keeper stuff based on that. However…

Short yardage is a problem. Particularly when the field gets compressed. Bill Connelly on Michigan's fatal flaw:

Michigan's goal-to-go touchdown rate is just 77%, and their red zone TD rate is 62%. Both rank 68th in the country.

This is quite a comedown from the days when the crowd was outraged when Michigan did anything but give the ball to Ben Mason on a FB dive, and that's despite having a mooseback like Haskins available.

Michigan did have an unfortunate occurrence in this game when McNamara got stepped on and his knee hit the ground an instant before he handed the ball to Haskins for a walk-in TD, but the overall picture is a little concerning. Michigan does not have a manball short yardage package and they don't have a mobile quarterback to make up for it. Even McCarthy, the nominally mobile guy, is just an average-sized dude who happens to be fast and not a short-yardage bulldozer type.

I don't know if there are good solutions available; this feels like a thing that's going to remain a problem.

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Baldwin can go. Baldwin took a nothing hitch and broke out 10-15 YAC, which he's done in a couple other games. Michigan didn't seem to have any WR issues even down Bell and Wilson, and I wonder if he's still acclimating to major college football and has some rapid improvement left in the tank. He certainly seems like he's got the physical package.

I'll allow it. This looks more like attempting to unscrew the top of a thermos than eating corn but if  you're fast enough to outrun a pretty good DE despite a cutback to him you get to celebrate however you want.

Corum also added to his "Mike Hart but fast" reel by spinning through two tacklers and toughing out a first down after receiving a dink pass.

McCarthy's got to be able to throw Denard stuff. McCarthy's one throw in this game was a dink to the flat that was dropped. Seems like you'd rather take shots with him since he's dropped in two beautiful bombs to Baldwin already and he's currently the stunt casting running QB who should be sucking up safeties.

Self scout the late QB runs. Michigan turned to QB runs on critical downs late a few years ago. At this point that tendency has been scouted into the ground. Witness Rutgers's QBR blitz that ate up McNamara and McCarthy getting swarmed just before the winning field goal in this game.

DEFENSE

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Alas, no-bust season, we knew thee well. Nebraska was always going to be the most serious test of Michigan's spooky ability to not let guys run willy-nilly, uncovered, despite transitioning to a new defense. Nebraska has a running quarterback and does a bunch of cool stuff. They love them a throwback because frontside action against a guy like Martinez has to be respected, and one of the best ways to detonate a young linebacker is a throwback. Check:

That's so confused that I'm not sure who's supposed to have the running back, Ross or Hill-Green. Looks like both and neither.

Later Nebraska went with an end around fake that stopped and turned into a swing pass.

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The guy in man to man coverage on that receiver? #4, who's standing on the ten yard line, barely in the frame. That's going to be a big minus for Gray but also a big RPS win. Nebraska does cool stuff.

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But also Michigan got some of theirs. The fourth and two stop on the initial Nebraska drive looks like a scouting win to me. When Nebraska motions in their WR, Mike Morris puts eyes on him, expecting a crack block that comes. He dismisses it. Then the guy replacing is not a cornerback but Hawkins, because Michigan literally has no corners on the field:

So Morris strings it out, Hawkins sheds the lead block, and Michigan gets off the field.

Okay: I believe in the DTs about 64%. For one, I should apologize to Mazi Smith since I claimed that the DTs didn't do anything in pass rush. Smith was about an instant away from causing another turnover:

They didn't do a lot. They did something.

More notable to me: Michigan stuffed Nebraska on two key third downs with Jenkins/Speight/Jeter on the field. One was the third down right before the play embedded in the above bullet; the second was a  third and one where Jenkins shed the LT and stood up the RB with help from a linebacker. Personally I would not have had those guys on the field on key third downs, but I mean… okay.

The one contain blip. Michigan has two DEs who are edge rushing around the corner, and this can be a problem against a guy like Martinez. This third and eleven was about to be a punt when Hutchinson went around the edge, but there was a huge gap because Ojabo did the same thing, less effectively, and zip zap zoop:

Mike Morris also has some responsibility there as he tries to drive inside and cannot react. If Michigan can delay Martinez at all before he exits the pocket the linebackers can rally and hold this down. When you have Hutchinson going up against a true freshman you should be assuming that the QB is going to flush up in the pocket. Michigan did a good job of this the rest of the night but this was killer because Nebraska's illegal formation touchdown was right after.

This is our concern. Michigan took a couple of egregious PI/holding calls in this game that were bad echoes of last year:

Turner had another one on Oliver Martin, who is Nebraska's #4 receiver and a guy who had to transfer twice to get on the field, that was just as bad.

Nebraska is the first functional passing game to roll into town, and they've got a couple of athletic guys. I am concerned that guys like Jahan Dotson, anyone on Ohio State, and that one guy who did the thing for MSU last year and then evaporated are going to be a problem because Michigan's CB play isn't meaningfully improved against non-meatballs.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Henning shorts out. Rough, rough day for him as he 1) lost three yards on a return, 2) let a punt bounce at the ten and was fortunate that Nebraska let it slip into the endzone, and 3) muffed a second punt. Caden Kolesar briefly getting the job now makes more sense even if he was letting a bunch of them drop.

Robbins right turn. Brad Robbins had another punt hit close to the endzone and then take a 90 degree turn. I fear this man.

MISCELLANEOUS

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When taunting is encouraged. The above got flagged as a dead ball foul after a turnover on downs, which meant exactly nothing. In these situations the flags that come out are more like little festive party favors.

Oblig referee complaining. This is not a legal formation:

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There's been a lot of discussion about whether the bust was induced by the fact that you can't do that and coverage rules aren't written to deal with four eligibles to one side of the formation. It seems like the answer could well be yes since you get these trips formations with a covered TE a ton and defenses must be used to ignoring that guy as an eligible WR. But also that guy is way off the LOS, so I don't know.

One thing I do not buy is the Q-Anon level conspiracy theorizing that Nebraska lined up in an obviously illegal formation and hoped they'd get away with it so they could score a touchdown. We joke about ref incompetency but how many times do you actually see something like this missed? Five percent tops?

Also in what are we doing here. Hassan Haskins got called down three yards short of where he actually landed on one third and short—overturned on review—, Nebraska was offsides on their interception, and uh yeah that PI Michigan got at the end of the first half was absurd.

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In gamesmanship conspiracy theories I believe. Nebraska substituted late on their final TD drive and got Michigan to sub as well. The officials are supposed to hold for the defense to get ready, but because Nebraska was subbing late that would have resulted in a delay of game call. So they got out of the way and Michigan busted on a third and four Martinez keeper.

Going for two. Michigan went up 19-7 with about 3 minutes left in the third quarter and did not get it. This is one of those controversial things I don't have much of an opinion about. The upside there is that if Nebraska scores two touchdowns you're tied instead of behind. The downside is that if Nebraska scores two touchdowns and gets their own two point conversion, you're down a full 3 points and a field goal only ties it. That latter is what transpired. To me this is close to a wash.

Throwing a fade on the attempt, though… woof.

Computers love us. That Connelly article referenced above has a percent chance all the teams in it make the playoff, as calculated by Connelly's finest computers. Michigan's number is 40%, which struck me as ludicrously optimistic. After considering things it does seem optimistic but there's a window here even if Michigan loses to OSU because:

  • Big Ten teams beat Iowa State, Washington, Miami, and Auburn in nonconference play and seized spots atop the polls despite those teams being not as good as expected.
  • Bama's loss makes a two-bid SEC depend on someone beating Georgia in the title game.
  • The playoff committee might tell Cincinnati to pound sand.

So a scenario like B10 champ, Georgia, Oklahoma, 11-1 Michigan w/ loss to OSU and wins over MSU/PSU is feasible. 40% still seems extremely high.

I've decided I don't want to know. No combination of words would make this better.

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Some would make it much worse. Also here is this guy:

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HERE

The Kicker Loves Smelling Salts:

Have you ever tried smelling salts?  The only way I can describe them is what it must feel like to inhale vaporized moonshine.  They smack you with a strange combo of simultaneous confusion and clarity.  If you have the type of screw loose that is required to play fullback or professional hockey, smelling salts can bring you a clarity of purpose and act as your personal rocket fuel.  On this team, the offensive line loves them dating back to 9-on-7 drills that formed their identify in the off-season.  But because this is an all caps TEAM, the kicker from Northville loves smelling salts too. 

Best and Worst:

Similarly, for all the complaints by Nebraska fans that they were hosed by calls in this game, Michigan was the victim of their fair share of questionable calls.  As noted elsewhere, Nebraska got away with a TON of “college crappe”, from illegal formations to rampant holding to the obnoxious clapping on defense that induced 3 false starts.  The fumble by Martinez looked not unlike Erick All fighting for yards on his 3rd-down conversion the drive before, and the refs allowed him to fight for yardage with the understanding that you have to, you know, hold onto the ball.  That joint recovery was the classic “tie goes to the runner”, and I’d argue Martinez’s first non-fumble-incomplete pass falls into a similar vein.  And honestly, the refs were a mess all day – the constant reviews, the weird flags, them completely missing Haskins getting a first down and Harbaugh having to call a TO to force them to review, and even the sliding foot on a UM run that netted them a first down despite it being clear McCarthy was out of bounds a yard earlier.  So a poorly-called game that was disjointed is naturally going to feel “off” for both teams, and so assuming conspiracy where incompetence applies is usually the wrong play.

Seth's cyan remains a SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY:

Folks…

As I'm sure you all know by now, a terrible sin has been committed.  An atrocious wrong, the likes of which have not been seen since. . . uh, breakfast?  Anyway, I apologize for the disturbing content, but this demands answers:

Gasp!  It's unforgivable.  Inconceivable!  (That word may not mean what I think it means.)  I'm sure Cade's looking at that right now, gripping a loaded revolver, holding a bottle of pills, pressing a cloth-wrapped tantō against his abdomen with both hands (cross-legged and dressed in road whites, of course).

Comments

MJG

October 11th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^

Most every place has ghosts, especially in a smaller town. Sometimes the ghosts start to dissolve; sometimes they don’t. Sometimes Shea is torn down. The only thing you can do is make new memories. 

notetoself

October 11th, 2021 at 2:53 PM ^

...or actually celebrate when you field a routine grounder.

hoping other folks saw this, but pretty apropos given the buckner metaphor. schwarber threw a routine ground ball over the head of the pitcher covering first for an error, but the red sox managed to get out of the inning with no runs allowed. later in the game, he fielded a grounder, successfully lobbed it to the covering pitcher for the out, and then sarcastically pointed to the sky, fist-pumped, and waved his hat to the crowd. great stuff.

https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-celebrates-fielding-groundout-in-alds-game-3

CRISPed in the DIAG

October 11th, 2021 at 3:05 PM ^

If you ask most Red Sox fans who were around for '86, the Buckner gaffe wasn't the critical play - it was the passed ball/wild pitch that allowed the tying run to score moments earlier. I also loved to agonize over the 16 pitches that Red Sox relievers had to record the final out. Buckner wasn't a hated man by any stretch - he had multiple standing ovations in Fenway over the years.

But I'll agree that he probably didn't like going back to Shea. 

CRISPed in the DIAG

October 11th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^

Calvin Schiraldi got two quick outs to start the inning but he started to shit himself. So the corpse of Bob "Steamer" Stanley took the mound to face Mookie Wilson to get the final out. Mook fouled off pitches for the next 20 minutes before Stanley threw his WP (some claimed it was a spitter) to tie the game. Then Buckner.

 

chatster

October 11th, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^

Red Sox fan since the 1950s. Spent many years living in the shadows of Fenway Park when they'd let you into the bleachers for free after the sixth inning. Celebrated the 1967 American League championship win in Kenmore Square when they clinched on the final day of that season. Fist pumped after Carlton Fisk waved his home run fair in the sixth game of the 1975 World Series and managed to snag an invite to the World Series MVP luncheon in Manhattan, honoring Pete Rose, where I was lucky to meet Bill "Spaceman" Lee. Suffered in Shea Stadium through the last few innings of the seventh game of the 1986 World Series after the Red Sox blew a 3-0 lead in the bottom of the sixth and lost 8-5.

On a personal level, I've had my share of "walking back into Shea" moments and as I'm getting closer to the time when "I face the final curtain", there are "regrets I've had a few" while doing it My Way, but in recent years I've been reminded that before he died, Bill Buckner was greeted warmly whenever he came back to Fenway Park after the 2004 World Series and his legacy was remembered in a song that always makes me recall that there were many who could share the blame for that game six loss at Shea in 1986. 

njvictor

October 11th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

I think people should feel better about this win than they do. Nebraska is the best 3-4 team in the country that almost beat Michigan State, kept it close with Oklahoma, and beat the doors of Northwestern as a good B1G team should. They are not the team that lost to Illinois anymore

mgobaran

October 11th, 2021 at 2:18 PM ^

Yep, fancystats show Nebraska is likely a top 20-30 team. And predictive models showed this as a 3 to 4 point game. I'm pretty sure Vegas was right there too. I'm guessing this win looks a lot better at the end of the year. 

And I think Bama reminded us of what can happen on the road, at night, against middling teams (2016 v Iowa, OSU v Purdue a few years ago, etc.). There's nothing to hang your head about if you win a game like this one. Feel good, get better, and keep that L column clean for another week (or 2 when you have a BYE after). 

JonnyHintz

October 11th, 2021 at 3:58 PM ^

“I'm guessing this win looks a lot better at the end of the year.” 
 

The problem there is that Nebraska still has OSU and Iowa on the schedule. At 3-4 already and assuming losses in both of those games, that puts a ceiling on their record of 6-6. They also have a road game against Wisconsin, which id assume Nebraska wins based on what we’ve seen so far but Nebraska also tends to do Nebraska things. 

At any rate, we’re looking at a ceiling of 6-6 barring a major upset. So the win might look better analytically by the end of the year, but it’s going to look like a win against a barely bowl eligible team to a lot of folks. 

befuggled

October 11th, 2021 at 2:32 PM ^

Nebraska definitely wants that Illinois game back. They outgained Illinois. They did have two awful plays that cost them 9 points in an 8-point loss: the strip sack that Illinois returned for a touchdown and the safety on the punt return (which was essentially a turnover plus two points).

The strip sack also came three plays after the lone Illinois turnover, negating any advantage they might have gotten out of that.

michengin87

October 11th, 2021 at 3:19 PM ^

I'm sure they want the MSU game back too.  Similar story.  They dominated MSU in the box score with 440 total yards to 254 total yards, except for 2 big plays.  One an interception with a 62 yard return and the other a punt returned for a TD.  Otherwise, they also beat MSU in EL. 

This was a very dangerous team that wanted this game so very badly to help salvage a season, along with the rabid fans doing a great job of pumping them up and disrupting our offense.  Nice job by the Wolverines to hang tough and get the W.

CompleteLunacy

October 11th, 2021 at 2:50 PM ^

Also Alabama lost essentially the same game Michigan just played. An unranked opponent with a ravenous crowd in a night road game, who is looking for a signature win against a top 10 opponent.

The difference is Alabama lost.

I'm not saying Michigan is better than Bama by ANY means (lol of course we ain't), or that A&M is the exact same as Nebraska (I'd say A&M is better), I'm just saying that this was an extremely difficult game that even the literal best of college football could struggle in. We should never take wins like this for granted. 

 

bronxblue

October 11th, 2021 at 6:08 PM ^

Yeah, it's really weird for some fans to act like "good teams are expected to win on the road against unranked teams" when the #22 team per SP+ coming into this game is on the docket but the #17 team, which built up a big lead against Alabama before pulling it out in the end, isn't treated the same way.

Alabama is absolutely better than Michigan but lots of teams get tripped up in games like this and the fact UM didn't is a good sign and not an outlier.

TrueBlue2003

October 11th, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^

I agree but to Brian's point, the arc of college football (and I would extend to sports in general) being towards derangement made me think about the behavioral economics / psychology concept of "loss aversion".

Experiment after experiment shows that "the pain of losing is psychologically about twice as powerful as the pleasure of gaining".

In the world of sports where it's a zero sum game and for every winner, there is a loser that means literally every game doles out twice as much pain as pleasure on net.  This is why a loss is so terrible and a win like Saturday feels more like just a sigh of relief that we avoided that bad feeling than it was actually enjoyable.

Sports!

schreibee

October 12th, 2021 at 6:18 PM ^

And not just sports- Investment analysts discuss the same idea of experiencing loss at a far greater level than gain. 

I guess put our innate gut level emotional responses in cave man terms - a loss would potentially be far greater than a gain, right? 

Risk aversion was born there, no doubt, where "winning" might mean eating that night, while losing might mean death to one or more members of the group! 

Leaders And Best

October 11th, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

I was going to comment on this as well. The 2016 team was Harbaugh's second year. That team was early enough in his tenure that I didn't have the same feelings of doubt entering the OSU game, and I think the 2016 team was the most talented of Harbaugh's time here.

The feeling entering the OSU game with the 2018 Revenge Tour team was different; for me, I had doubt that team could beat OSU. It showed in the Vegas spreads too: Michigan was favored on the road in 2016 and was 4.5 point underdog on the road in 2018.

dankbrogoblue

October 11th, 2021 at 3:49 PM ^

I can agree with that. OSU’s offense wasn’t as scary in 2016, but I believe OSU was favored because everyone thought Speight would be out (he got injured against Iowa and sat for Indiana the week before OSU).
2018 the story was that OSU’s D is weak, which made us favored but Vegas underrated OSU’s O vs our D.

I was stupidly confident for both, but probably more for 2016.

TrueBlue2003

October 11th, 2021 at 6:26 PM ^

Correct, in 2018 OSU was coming off a game they were very lucky to have won in OT against Maryland. 

They gave up 45 points in regulation that game after giving up 49 to Purdue.  That team had serious defensive issues which is why Michigan, which had crushed ten straight opponents, was favored. 

And up to that point, Brown had been relatively successful against OSU (in 2016 and 2017) so that destruction did come as a bit of surprise to me (although the injuries sustained against IU were a bit of a harbinger).

Hotel Putingrad

October 11th, 2021 at 3:48 PM ^

The Revenge Tour team that did seem like a playoff team lost a cosmically dumb and stupid and dumb game against Iowa, and then ate The Spot a couple weeks later. 

I think you could interpret that subject clause differently, in the sense that the 2018 team was a Revenge Tour team that did not seem like a playoff team. It's delightfully ambiguous.

 

CursedWolverine

October 11th, 2021 at 2:25 PM ^

It seems fitting that the recent season best remembered for trying to be a "different" UM team had it's season end in ignominious, forgettable fashion: getting blown out by OSU and then Florida. 

That's the exact Lucy holding the football scenario everyone is now permanently braced for. Even when things feel like they might be different, we're all waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Perkis-Size Me

October 11th, 2021 at 10:01 PM ^

You hit the nail on the head.

Harbaugh got a pass on 2015. It was his first season, and OSU brought back nearly everyone from a national title winning team. 

Michigan largely outplayed OSU in 2016 and while I’m not sure they deserved to win, they probably should have. Don Brown still looked like a genius hire after this game, OSU was held in check the entire day, and the talent gap appeared to be closing.

Michigan probably wins in 2017 if Peters is starting, or even if Barrett doesn’t get hurt.

But 2018…..that was when it felt like the door was just emphatically and violently slammed in Michigan’s face. The window of opportunity was closed for good. There was no mincing words that day. OSU completely outclassed Michigan in every possible facet, and you just felt like there was this mental and psychological hurdle that we had no idea how to overcome, and probably still don’t. 

I’m happy to see the team doing as well as it is, but I still can’t help but feel like I’m waiting for Lucy to pull the ball out from under me again. When is that other shoe going to drop and we go spiraling down to another season of what ifs, unfulfilled expectations and empty trophy cases?

TrueBlue2003

October 12th, 2021 at 12:56 AM ^

Yes, and to add to the 2015 commentary, Durkin had checked out and Rudock got hurt.  That game was excusable with the goodwill Harbaugh had built up by already winning nine games that season, which exceeded expectations.

As for your last paragraph, yeah, I can't help but think we have nearly no chance against OSU in The Game.  But this season has already been a very encouraging success from the new hires to the player development and a ton of guys are coming back (alas, Hutch won't be...).

Enjoy the wins.  There will be 9 or 10 or maybe even 11 this year.

And I'll still be in the stands on the last Saturday in November rooting for that chance.  I was there in 2013 when we seemingly had no shot and Devin Gardner almost won it.  Even in 2019, a few things go our way - DPJ catches it at the end of the first half, Haskins makes the right cut on the fourth down play, the ball doesn't bounce right back to JK Dobbins - and it's a different game.  Even if just one play goes differently (Haskins makes the right cut on 4th down), Michigan is within a score in the fourth quarter and that's potentially a different game.

There's hope!

Reader71

October 11th, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

Don’t watch Rounders or go to the casino or log into partypoker or gamble at all when you’re going through what you’re going through. 
 

I’ve been there and have seen others who have gone there, and it will only compound things. The thrill of the pot is Lucy’s football.