Robinson Cano gets 80 games for banned substance
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23512723/robinson-cano-seattle-marin…
Seattle Mariner 2nd baseman former NY Yankee
Injured or not, this keeps him out of the Hall of Fame, right? At least until the several players much better than him who are being kept out because of PEDs get in.
That's a pretty big punishment.
The PED use specifically may not, but the final 2-3 mediocre years to finish out his career will.
he has the resume to make the HOF, but this will probably keep him out.
hes still going to have to wait til he comes off the DL to serve the suspension so that could be the rest of season
Unless that's a recent change - I think baseball allows suspensions to be served while on the DL.
This would prevent him from playing in the postseason though - if the team actually makes it. It wouldn't matter if the 80 games had already been served or not.
nevermind according to Ken Rosenthal he can do both at the same time
in the post season though
Not anymore. If I recall correctly, the rules were changed specifically to ban anyone from the playoffs following a season in which they incurred a PED suspension.
Correct, they changed this as you said.
I remember when Jhonny Peralta was suspended 50 games in 2013, the Tigers had the option and decided to add him to the postseason roster. I think the change where he is automatically ineligible for postseason play is for the better.
Seems like they should also change the rule to where your suspension only starts after you are eligble to play (eg. not on the DL, etc.).
You do realize that its a good idea to have your facts straight before getting snarky, bc otherwise it makes you look like a fool, right?
Players suspended for PED's were declared ineligible for that season's postseason in a change to the drug policy in 2014.
Yep it was that game. Mario and Rod were saying that, and he had just made that Jeter-esque throw to first, and I thought, "man, Cano has to be really strong to just make everything look so effortless." Welp.
Hey, that statement is not untrue. As a Yankee fan hearing this is a bummer though.
Logged in just to upvote this Drawn Together reference
"Captain Hero is taking one last dive...then I'm cutting that pig out."
I loved that show. I miss it.
LOL at the backne
pete rose didn't use peds
Penn State did though...wait, what do you mean by "peds"?
Ped State U
batting north of .250 with over 100 hits in all but his last season.... total liability. LOL
A first baseman hitting "north of .250" (all singles, hardly any walks) isn't quite as special as you seem to think.
if your going to stand on the corner you better lean on the poll. Being a punch and judy .250 hitter is not exactly leaning on the poll.
Takes 10 seconds to google this.
In 1985 at the age of 44, Rose had an OBP of .395 (in over 500 plate appearances). He was FOURTH in the entire NL in OBP. For the advanced stats people, his offensive WAR was 1.3, though his defense was considered sub-par.
Bagging on a 44 year old who finished 4th in the league in OBP is pretty dumb IMO. I'm not a Pete Rose fan, but anyone who can finish top 10 in anything useful at age 44 is a special player.
I know that not everybody is in love with modern fancystats, but to type "hit over .250 with 100 hits" and to think that this establishes lol-worthy proof of a first baseman's adequacy is...not great.
Not sure where this no walks things is coming from.
OBP over age 40:
40: .391
41: .345
42: .316
43: .359
44: .395
45: .316
It's true that he had zero power, but to say he too no walks is just 100% untrue.
Rose's last SEVEN season's he totalled a net negative WAR, and over SEVEN season's at a premium power position (1B) hit a total of 6 - yes SIX home runs over 4,000 plate appearances.
That is the definition of "total liability."
He didn't have any seasons with a negative WAR until 1980. By which point he was age 39.
If, in an alternate Universe where Rose retired after 1979 at age 38, he would have retired as a player with:
(1) a career WAR of over 80.0 (around 40th all-time in MLB),
(2) 3372 career hits,
(3) 1180 career walks (Rose wasn't just a good hitter for average, he also get on base via the walk - we know now that walks were under-valued in Rose's era),
(4) 612 career doubles (14th all-time in MLB, he wasn't just singles) and
(5) 154 career Home Runs (not a super-slugger but he had some slugging ability).
That all on those legendary Big Red Machine teams, of course.
Rose was not a good baseball player in the 1980s. That is true. The Reds should have released him and Rose's presence is partially responsible for the Reds being a bad MLB team in the front half of the 1980s. And I also can't stand Rose as a person. But his career from 1963-1979 is absolutely Hall of Fame worthy (if it weren't for all that gambling stuff).
I would say Rose became a distinct liability around 1981, and for certain should have retired after posting a lovely 0 HRs in 486 plate appearances that year.
It is mind boggling that he was kept on MLB rosters for another five seasons beyond that which had him get 550 hits in close to 3,000 PAs and hit 5 HRs.
To me, his pursuit of the record trashed the overall value of his career. Yeah he was great for 17 seasons - really great. However, if you combine those 17 years with 7 years of a total liability - that makes him from an all time great to slightly above average in my book.
His negative WAR is almost entirely due to his perceived poor defense, which at age 40+, well DUH. He probably should have gone to the AL and become a DH. He only had 3 seasons where his offensive WAR was negative--the last 2 years in Philly and his last season at age 45.
Sorry, but Pete Rose was one of baseball's pioneers when it came to steroids (even though he didn't hit HR's). The guy who got him busted for gambling on baseball was a steroid dealer. Rose was a bigtime "greenie" (speed) guy as well.
Now I'll duck because folks love them some Charlie Hustle and hate hearing bad things about him.
Many years ago I went to Tigers' Fantasy Camp. One night a few of us were sitting in the bar talking to one of the former Tigers, and the subject of Rose's suspension came up. The ex-Tiger (whose name I won't say, but everyone would know it) told us that in every MLB locker room is a sign that covers Rule 21 - Misconduct. Section d, paragraph 2 reads:
"Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permenantly ineligible."
That's the rule, in black-and-white and three different languages. Every club makes sure every player knows it when he first comes up.
Ex-Tiger said that Pete's problem (other than his gambling, which was well-known throughout the league) was that he didn't follow the rules - he looked for ways to get around them. The rules didn't apply to Charlie Hustler. (His name, not mine.)
Well, at least in the 70's everybody was doing a lot of um...pep pills. They were all chewing amphetamines, and if you didn't you were distrusted as not trying your best.
better.
Then, like Cruz, he'll sit out 1/2 a season, then proceed to have 5 straight seasons of 40 home runs in his late 30s.
Nice job, MLB.