National Signing Day open thread
Welcome to National Signing Day. It's time for faxes to start rolling in.
Do we keep Otis Reese? That seems to be the only big question of the day.
Here's the official NSD webpage from MGoBlue:
February 7th, 2018 at 7:11 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:12 AM ^
Ronnie Bell, Mike Barrett, Vince Gray and HOPEFULLY Otis Reese.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
All signs are pointing to Otis going to UGA. He gone.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^
I had thought the NCAA grudgingly moved into the 21st century as of this cycle - isn't there some manner of e-form / e-signature version that they will accept now? I may have heard wrong but I believe there had been a change in that respect.
February 7th, 2018 at 7:11 AM ^
All I know is that I liked your old avatar better.
February 7th, 2018 at 7:11 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:12 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 9:10 AM ^
such a deviation from what we saw the last few years? Is it because of the performance on the field?
I'm very disappointed as to how this recruiting cycle played out. Especially in what seemingly feels like a failure in positions of need.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:15 AM ^
1. Poor performance on the field
2. Lack of development of OL
3. Poor recruiting efforts by some
4. Small class size
5. Relative youth on team (aka very little obvious playing time available)
February 7th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:18 AM ^
losing Reese would suck, but his position is one of strength on the tea
February 7th, 2018 at 7:21 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 10:31 AM ^
Funny that you got all the negs. Reese is gone.
February 7th, 2018 at 7:22 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:30 AM ^
OSU? WTF??
Gah... I didn't expect that he'd end up at UM, but I never thought OSfuckingU would be his choice, either.
February 7th, 2018 at 8:16 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 8:46 AM ^
How loaded at a position would you have to be to turn down the #1 player in the country? I don't think OSU is doing this to screw Michigan, they are trying to get the best players possible for their team.
February 7th, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^
OSU also needed OTs so it was just as important for them.
February 7th, 2018 at 8:48 AM ^
our Communications degree is no different than any other school. Thus, academics don't matter.
February 7th, 2018 at 8:53 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 9:08 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:35 AM ^
to someone who is leaving? interesting
February 7th, 2018 at 7:42 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:48 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 7:57 AM ^
Schiano might have a good relationship with Petit-Frere, but Schiano is the defensive coordinator and Petit-Frere is an offensive tackle. Once Petit-Frere gets to campus, they wouldn't be spending much time together in meetings or even on the practice field.
February 7th, 2018 at 7:57 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 8:07 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 8:35 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
My daughter has a couple friends at MSU and they're not getting anywhere near the education that she's getting in Ann Arbor. And to suggest that a Maryland degree is on par with Harvard is just silly. Even if the education was exactly the same (it's not), the IVY degree is going to open a lot more doors.
I agree that this sort of thing probably matters a lot less to athletes. Although, given that only a few of them make it to the next level, they should care about academics as much as a regular student.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:02 AM ^
So, what exactly is the difference b/t (say) Harvard and Maryland then? I get asked that questions a lot and can never quite put a finger on it sufficiently to other people when they ask, "why go all the way out to MI? SUNY Whatever (TM) is right down the road!"
February 7th, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
Rigor, mostly. If you're teaching at a school that only accepts the best and brightest, you can assume a lot about your students and really challenge them. At a less selective state school there is a lot more hand holding.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
One anecdote: a friend of mine was a GSI at U-M and now is a professor at MSU. She doesn't assign as many reading texts there as her professor did here. She was advised by her chair to cut the reading list down.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:16 AM ^
Oh give me a break, MSU has upped their standards by like %300 in the last couple decades. Heck, people who go into Michigan in the 80s and 90s might not get into MSU now. I've got plenty of coworkers whose kids have like 3.8 GPAs and are barely getting into MSU now. Average incoming freshmen GPA for MSU is virtually the same as Michigan now, but Michigan requires higher test scores (ACT, SAT).
My nephew is a Junior at Michigan and he's majoring in beer and skating by with a 2.7 GPA, doubt he couldn't get the exact same education at MSU.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:27 AM ^
If they're barely getting into MSU with a 3.8 that means their ACT is probably in the low to mid 20's.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^
And their GPA's are probably inflated by taking AP courses which were graded on a 5 point scale when I was in high school 10 years ago.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:56 AM ^
took Advanced classes in high scholl and skated by with B's, which were 4.0. He had a high GPA that looked good, but he could have done better.
If you take this route and get a 3.8, that means there are some low B's in the Advanced classes.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
You are correct sir. They make you fog up two mirrors now to be admitted to MSU
February 7th, 2018 at 9:48 AM ^
If they're "barely getting in" at MSU with a 3.8, they were probably taking easy classes in high school or really bombed their standardized tests.
MSU's standards are not bad by any means but suggesting they're comparable to ours is a major reach.
Per the most recent data, MSU freshmen had a reported 3.62 GPA and ACT range of 23-28 / SAT 1050-1310.
U-M freshmen had a reported 3.82 and ACT range of 29-33 / SAT 1370-1530. So our lowest-performing incoming freshmen on the SAT/ACT were still scoring higher than virtually all of theirs.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:21 AM ^
That's actually pretty interesting. The latest Ohio State class had a reported average GPA of 3.8, and a range of ACT 27-31/SAT 1240-1440 with an class size of about ~19,900 freshmen.
February 7th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
Graduated from UM, but my parents both were faculty at OSU. So tuition was so cheap that it made sense to knock out some credits there in the summer.
Without a shadow of a doubt, there is a big difference between the cultures and climate academically. The quality of instruction at OSU was fine - no better or worse than UM in my opinion. But UM is so chock-full of the overachieving hyper-competitive types that just permeates all aspects of life. It forces the faculty engineer the curve by racheting up the rigor of curriculum. It forces students to dig deeper; work harder; sweat the details more. I came out of it all a different person than how I went in. I don't know if that environment is better or worse in the grand scheme of life. OSU culture is probably more "normal" if there is such a thing. My OSU buddies certainly seems to study less and go out more (they went out on weeknights).
Not too surprisingly, my hyper-competitive UM friends have gone on to have wildly successful careers. My OSU friends, as a general group, have had good, but less dazzling careers. To each, his own.
February 7th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^
My nephew is a Junior at Michigan and he's majoring in beer and skating by with a 2.7 GPA, doubt he couldn't get the exact same education at MSU.
So you just happen to know your nephew's college GPA off the top of your head? That's a fairly random piece of knowledge to have at hand. Yeah, I'm going to call BS on this one.
As for it being the "exact same education," I can offer you this anecdote I shared earlier in the thread.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
You need to compare by the Common Data Set which is a submitted set of comparible statistics on class statistics.
Using the 2016-17 Common Data Set for Freshman admittance:
Michigan:
ACT Scores:
30-36 74%
24-29 23%
Lower 3%
Ave. high school GPA 3.84
MSU:
ACT Scores:
30-36 19%
24 - 29 57%
Lower 24%
Ave. high school GPA 3.70 - which isn't bad
February 7th, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^
I'm not sure your drunken nephew should be a barometer for the differences between two colleges.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
sure he can - have him Xfer to MSU and watch that 2.7 turn into a 3.7.
February 7th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^
February 7th, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^
For example, if you want to do engineering, the ivy leagues cannot compete with top public schools like Michigan.
Schools like Michigan open just as many doors nationally like ivy leagues do these days.
Schools like Pitt and Maryland do the same but are more regionalized around PA and the Atlantic coast.
February 7th, 2018 at 8:35 AM ^
Everything I've heard over the recent years is that Michigan does a great job of providing academic support, so it's hard for me to believe that this was the clinching factor.
For the majority of the outside world where recruits come from, the academic differences between major state institutions like OSU and Michigan are small, and other factors are much more important in their decision-making process.
Recent on-field success is one of them, and in the mind of the average recruit, Michigan simply isn't in the same zip code as Ohio State in that department. The only things that will change that are victories over Ohio State, conference championships, and playoff appearances.
February 7th, 2018 at 9:02 AM ^
The "help" Ohio State is selling is that you don't have to actually do any academics.
Ask Cardale Jones.
Ask Adolfus Washington.
Ask Andy Katzenmoyer.
Ask . . .
February 7th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^
I don't want to lose to OSU in anything, but while they have, IMHO, had more academic issues than we had (Joe Germaine have a 0. something gradepoint at one point?) I have known a few people that were grads that were very smart, so I can't discount their academics entirely. It's not like he'd be going to 'Bama. I think the key point there is 'you can get a great education IF YOU WANT'. Where I (think) here it's more 'You need to have good grades or you won't play'.
I am always amazed. If you go to UM, even if you never play, like maybe a Malzone, you could A) get a fantastic degree B) get tutors to help and C) graduate into a pretty elite network of former players and Michigan grads who would love to hire a former player.
That would be a huge selling point for me.
Of course, my athletic stars would be like a .5