We all thought about it: What did this game make you think about our team?
I usually hate-watch national title games because they're important to a sport I love but they wind up just reminding me how disappointed I am that Michigan is not good enough to be there. And they're harder to skip now that the coaches film room is must-watch viewing every year.
But if you're like me you watch these games with one eye on the teams we all jealously wish weren't there and one eye on the strengths and particularly the weaknesses of our own team.
So let's just get right out and admit stuff that the title game highlighted for us about Michigan in the past and going forward.
What sort of things about our team came to mind when you watched the national title game?
January 9th, 2018 at 2:06 AM ^
To avoid clogging the OP, I'm dropping my own as a comment.
A few high/lowlights for me:
- Michigan's larger strategies are fine. Aggressive defense, running game, good but unspectacular passing offense? Basically both teams tonight. A radical redesign is not necessary, just proper execution of what we have.
- Yeah, even great defenses can get beaten over the top. Both Bama and Georgia gave up long TDs. Don Brown isn't the only one with that issue.
- Not all freshmen QBs can be great out of the box, and neither of these were Baker Mayfield, but great ones can make (simple but clear) reads and make accurate throws. I honestly feel like Peters should be further ahead than he has been.
- QBs nailing accurate throws downfield depend on pass protection. There's no way Fromm would be able to hit that TD to Hardman behind our OL.
- The coaches at one point were discussing the challenge that is involved in calling plays as a head coach while also trying to manage the game. Gundy said that things worked much better now that he doesn't call plays, and one of the guys (Bobo I think?) said that a coordinator basically has to watch 8 hours of film a day to do it right. This helps illustrate why Harbaugh needs a good guy making the calls, even if he is a big part of the offensive braintrust.
- Both of these programs are going to be monsters for years and I feel like we're going to lose ground recruiting against them until we prove we can be at that level. Kinda dispiriting.
- Georgia ran a Hardman read option in goal line and scored and it looked great. Then they ran the same play later and it looked terrible. Happens to teams besides Michigan.
- I think we're an OL and a QB away from being capable of being in the same position as these teams. Getting those things taken care of? That's the question.
- And as optimistic as I am in that point, I want Michigan to be in this game so badly, and this year it feels so far away. Ugh.
January 9th, 2018 at 2:16 AM ^
We will never recruit like Alabama & Georgia. Michigan has way higher academic standards, which is a good thing.
January 9th, 2018 at 2:18 AM ^
Isaac Nauta, Najee Harris, Mecole Hardman, Dashawn Hand, and other important contributors were guys that Michigan wanted and would have taken.
We're capable of landing top 5 classes. This coming class won't be one, and 2019 will be huge to keep it from being a pattern, or we've got a problem.
January 9th, 2018 at 2:26 AM ^
Alabama and (especially with Smart) Georgia cheat their balls off.
I'm perfectly fine with not landing top five classes if it means keeping a clean program. If we sometimes land a top five class cleanly, bully for us.
January 9th, 2018 at 2:49 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 8:42 AM ^
Here: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-foo…
Sure, it's murky, but do you really think Alabama and Georgia are cleaner than Michigan?
January 9th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^
Sanctimonious, much?
January 9th, 2018 at 9:14 AM ^
This is a logical fallacy. "Alabama is cheating" and "Georgia is cheating" is not the same as "Everyone who wins is cheating."
I will say I think there are a combination of factors.
- Alabama has a record of National Championships. This is going to help their recruiting. If I wanted to be part of a National Championship team, I'd want to consider going to Alabama.
- I suspect that the culture of the bagman in Alabama is more savvy than it is in some other places. In other words, I think there are considerations that are pretty well covered up: it isn't easy to see them cheating.
- Alabama is geographically closer to a lot of good football players. If I was a kid from anywhere in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisianna, or South Carolina, my folks could get to the games, and I'd be in southern culture. Michigan is pulling from Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, as far as close geographically. And right now, we're going to struggle to get kids from Ohio that OSU wants.
- Let's face it, the quality of academics is not first on the list for many football players. And for those who car about it, we're also competing with Stanford and ND and Texas and a few others out there.
January 9th, 2018 at 9:21 AM ^
on top of that, those programs had/have stability at the head coaching spot. Richt had a rough last couple years, but he was a hell of a recruiter and Saban is Saban.
Richt was at Georgia for 15 years. Saban at Alabama for 11. In that time, Michigan is on it's 4th head coach.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
That is very clearly not what he said. He said Alabama and Georgia cheat, and they do.
January 9th, 2018 at 5:50 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^
This is just plain dumb.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it?
January 10th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^
What are you a bandwagon fan?
January 9th, 2018 at 6:54 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 7:45 AM ^
the point where I think "if everyone is doing it, is it still cheating"?
You're exactly right. The NCAA seems to have zero interest in doing jack shit about it so why the fuck should UM play by rules no one else is?
January 9th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^
Exactly.
It's like the speed limits on interstate highways. I "cheat" every single time I drive on one. So does everyone else. I have zero guilt about it.
Those "rules" were made by beaurcrats for their own self-interest. They don't make sense, everybody ignores them, and they don't even enforce them consistently.
Same with the NCAA's rules about letting players receive some financial compensation.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:48 AM ^
every once in a while you're the one that gets pulled over. "I was just keeping pace". Just as the cops may pick out the 'ticket me red' sports car, the NCAA picks out its cheaters (Mississippi State) and lets the rest go free.
January 9th, 2018 at 9:17 AM ^
Ole Miss. But hey, Mississippi State is probably cheating, too.
January 9th, 2018 at 9:38 AM ^
Integrity. that's why Michigan and Harbaugh and Beilein don't engage in the underhanded business these other programs do. If you believe Michigan can win without stooping to that level then the championship will be that much sweeter when they do win.
Also - wouldn't it suck to win a championship only to have it revoked years later after an investigation for massive cheating? I mean, I don't know for a fact if Alabama is a dirty program but if a major investigaiton in the future finds serious wrongdoing I would be 0% surprised. And as a fan it would feel pretty shitty to know the victory was the result of cheating and wasn't 100% clean.
And look at UNC's last 3 NCAA tournament wins and Louisville's championship. They haven't been disciplined yet (and may never be) but those championships are forever tainted and will always come with an unofficial asterisk.
Just because you won doesn't mean you cheated, but these days I'm increasingly suspicious of almost every program.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:21 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^
The cheating issue is not just about a few teams stockpiling the top talent, but the teams it is taking that talent away from.
Look at Michigan, how better would they have been had Laquan Treadwell, DeShawn Hand, and Isaiah Wilson been on the team over the past few years. Michigan almost lost Gary to Clemson due to illegal funds. What does our defense look like without him? Thankfully we don't have to speculate on that one.
And it's not just the historically good programs cheating who would have had good recruiting classes anyway. When schools like Ole Miss and Clemson start getting players they normally would not have gotten, that really starts to drain the talent pool the other schools have to recruit from.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^
"If you believe Michigan can win without stooping to that level"
But the question is "Can they?" College athletics is definitely an arms race and to have any kind of sustained success, it's becoming increasingly apparent that you have to keep up with the joneses somehow
"Also - wouldn't it suck to win a championship only to have it revoked years later after an investigation for massive cheating?"
Not really. I mean, yes, the NCAA won't OFFICIALLY recognize it, but sports fans, sports writers, the internet, the Associated Press, etc. literally everyone else would recognize who played in that game and who won that game. I mean, Reggie Bush still won the Heisman. It's barely a footnote on John Wooden's wikipedia page that he endorsed a booster buying his players cars, plane tickets, stereos, etc... John Calipari still won all those games at UMass and Memphis (and I'm sure eventually Kentucky)
"And as a fan it would feel pretty shitty to know the victory was the result of cheating and wasn't 100% clean."
I believe that, depending on the allegations, most fans probably would not care. Honestly. With so much scummy shit that has come to light over the last few years (shielding a serial pedophile, covering up mass rapes committed by athletes and trainers/coaches, buying hookers for players), that giving some star players some disposable income on the side does not even register to me anymore, and for now, this is all anyone can reasonably assume Saban and his staff are doing and I am fine with it. I don't care.
January 9th, 2018 at 12:37 PM ^
I 100% think the players should be paid and I think it's bullshit that they don't. And I don't blame players for taking $, but my problem is with the systemic flouting of rules by certain programs. Rules are rules. Are you good enough to win a championship while operating within the rules? Good. Then you deserve it.
As bullshit as the NCAA investigations of Michigan were I sure would like to have those Final 4 banners back up. And it sucks, that technically, it never happened because of alleged 'cheating' among M players and boosters.
If a Louisville fan ever talks shit to me in the future, I will immediately reference the team's prostitute scandal. That absolutely takes some shine off that accomplishment and is a major embarassment for the school. As a UNC fan I would never be able to feel 100% good about a string of championships that occurred while the school turned into a diploma mill for dudes to play basketball.
And yes, Baylor and Penn State should probably never be allowed to field a football program ever again. Winning isn't everything. Every program should conduct itself with class.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:16 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
you missed his point
January 9th, 2018 at 10:44 AM ^
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January 9th, 2018 at 7:47 AM ^
People like Pete Carroll have proved it's an effective business model. When the heat is on, since NCAA doesn't have subpoena power, you just bail for the pros and deny till you die.
And no one will ever go the road of SMU and will never hand down the death penalty.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:26 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^
Out of all the combinations of states I could possibly conceive of moving from and to, from Hawaii to Alabama is probably dead last. No thanks.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
is a good contender though.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^
How about from Florida to Michigan?
January 9th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^
Florida is gross and I would rather live in Michigan.
January 9th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^
Sorry I didn't realize you were from Florida. If it's any consolation I would rather move to Florida over a lot of different places haha.
January 9th, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^
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January 9th, 2018 at 10:27 AM ^
Obviously the Freep was willing to sell their soul to sell newspapers with the hit job on Michigan and extended hours. If local news media are willing to go after Michigan for something that minor, you better believe they would be willing to go after Michigan for something major.
I have not been to Alabama, but I imagine there is no way any newspaper would ever try somehting like that. To make cheating work you need the right people to turn a blind eye, and the general public and local reporters are a huge in being required to keep their eyes blind.
January 9th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
Spartan idiots whine away about a mythical "blue wall" while their program literally has gotten away with rape.
January 10th, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^
We were on ESPN daily when we practiced a few mins too long per day. That witch hunt was ridiculous.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:10 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 9:01 AM ^
we would rather have our "diamond in the rough" over alabama 5-stars. we recuit like crap to win a n.c. -- this years class has some good players. but why do we settle for a generic 3-star when not pressuring a 5-star-- because they dont want to come here... and dont give me that crap that so-and-so was a 3 star and became and all-american. did you see all the 5-star talent (mostly freshmen) that was all over that field last nite. oh- and by the way, did you see all that offensive line 5-star talent out there --we have none!!
January 9th, 2018 at 4:53 AM ^
This comment touches on something I thought about all game long: how many guys were playing who had Michigan among their finalists. I think we were second for Harris, Hand, Nauta, Isaiah Wilson (who might be a RS) and Alex Leatherman. Maybe for Hardman as well. (And, to be honest, I'm still nt sure whether Harris was shining us on).
I also agree with your comment about Peters. It is enormously frustrating to see other freshman QBs, including true freshmen, perform at a high level while Peters was trusted only with basic plays.
January 9th, 2018 at 5:25 AM ^
Harris was shining on us throughout his whole recruiting cycle.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:19 AM ^
.....Alex Leatherwood (FR) and Damien Harris (JR). It was a little disheartening to see how many guys Michigan was close to landing (but couldn't seal the deal) playing in this game.
I'm surprised at the state of Michigan's OL and QB situation going into year 4 of Harbaugh. A KJ Costello or Devery Hamilton would really help at this point. They need more big wins on the recruiting trail.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:34 AM ^
January 9th, 2018 at 9:20 AM ^
Damien Harris and Da'Shawn Hand and not lived up to the 5 star hype. That at least makes me feel better than 2 of the 5-stars we were serisouly in on were wasted schlorships at bama.
January 9th, 2018 at 10:27 AM ^
Can that be said of anyone who plays at UM?
February 5th, 2018 at 9:41 AM ^
8-5 seasons make the recruiting trail a little less friendly. I hope to God that after a successful schedule next year from his flow of talent coming to the top of the 2 deep will translate into more "Wins" for recruiting.