December 4th, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^
This thread is a joke. Every time a bunch of kids have an off game we demand instant accountability when a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players do not play well. College basketball is even worse now because any individual who thinks he is remotely ready for the NBA is gone. So the pressure to cycle in replacements without selling your soul is almost impossible. We have seen this for a decade. Michigan struggles in the 1st half of the year while Beilein and his staff figure out what they have. Most of the time it seems to work out. We have had pretty darn good success with our share of Big10 league wins, championships, and deep NCAA playoff runs. Beilein is stuck every year with what Harbaugh experienced this year, young players who are inconsistant.
This is the reality of teenagers with the burden of living the lives of fame for armchair atheletes. They are going to fail us despite the best attempts of coaches. We have a bunch of new folks trying to figure out how to be a point guard, our wings failed us, and our best player stunk in the 2nd half. I'm having flashbacks to 2010 when everyone was out to fire Beilein until the team figured things out and almost beat Duke in the 2011 tournament.
The reality is outside of a couple programs if you want the best players you have to cheat. Or hope that your reaches pan out every year because every time you succeed you have to start over because of losses to the NBA draft.
December 4th, 2017 at 11:17 PM ^
1. This team not a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players. We are quite experienced with 4/5 of our starting line-up as upper classmen.
2. Today's failure was of epic proportions. I don't think you understand how bad it was.
3. You are using the same old tripe excuses. These excuses need to stop.
December 5th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^
Yup, I feel the people on this board get dumber and whinier every year.
December 4th, 2017 at 10:51 PM ^
DISAPPOINTING.
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December 5th, 2017 at 12:38 AM ^
I like Beilein and think he’s a solid coach. Usually does more with less. However there are a few things about him that do frustrate me. He’s a great tactician of the x’s and o’s. But in terms of an in game motivator he falls short imo. I don’t think he demands enough toughness and physicality with his teams. He’s an offensive minded coach and I do feel like the teams defense, rebounding, and probably to a lesser extent but still a characteristic of his teams, toughness.
Recruiting is on an upswing with next years class, but I think the big miss in the last two years was with Davis. Now he might end up being a decent role player, I’m not saying there isn’t hope. But my gripe is if you’re going to take a recruit for what his role is supposed to be why not look for a guy with some athletic upside. Someone with some bounce. Someone who could come in and play along side Teske or Wagner and bring some toughness. I think we almost would have been better off looking for a PF GT rather than PG. Now no one knew that Brooks would be able to come in and play like he has so maybe that’s a little unfair.
My starting 5 would go like this;
1- Brooks/Simpson
2- MAAR/Poole
3- Matthews/Watson/Poole
4- Livers/Robinson
5- Wagner/Teske
Imo, like a lot of others here, think that Teske, Livers, and especially Poole need to be on the floor a lot more than they’ve been. Robinson is a severe liability and has no quick twitch muscle fibers. Even Teske, when Wagner is fumbling over himself, hoisting ill- advised threes, and turning it over, Teske should get the nod. Sometimes I feel like there are no repercussions with JB when a guy does something dumb. And with Wagner, while I think he has a great offensive skill set, i think he could stand to stay yet another year. I feel like there’s still a lot for him to get better at.
December 5th, 2017 at 5:22 AM ^
Start Livers at the 4 or Poole at the 3 and go small with Mathews at the 4.
Play Brooks 33-35 minutes, he will only get better. MAAR can handle the others to get him a quick breather Poole would slide in at the two or three with Watson at two when you have to go real deep in the rotation.
Teske spells Mo and 3-5 minutes each game with Mo and Teske.
Poole gets the backup minutes at 1-2-3 with MAAR sliding to the 1 when Brooks needs the breather.
There is no reason to play Z or Simmons. Robinson sparingly if Livers and Teske both need a breather at same time but even then you'd be better off with Poole at the 3 and Mathews at the 4.
Z and Robinson offer nothing at this point.
December 5th, 2017 at 6:03 AM ^
Z and Robinson HAVE to be subs, or they are not effective.
December 5th, 2017 at 8:08 AM ^
By the end of January this will be a much better team. Rinse repeat. Nobody teaches from a loss better than Beilein. One thing this team needs to get better at quickly is setting screens. Half hearted efforts by everyone. Lastly, the hate towards Robinson is ridiculous.
December 5th, 2017 at 2:39 PM ^
Yup, we lost all our leadership and 3/4 best players from last year. We're young and inexperienced but we have lots of good pieces. I trust Beilein to get them humming by the end of the year...like every other year.
December 5th, 2017 at 8:19 AM ^
I don't know what it is. I don't know what Michigan did to piss off the sporting gods, but we can't buy a win against OSU in ANYTHING to save our own lives.
I have no doubt the team will get better as the season progresses, but my god....OSU just seems to have some kind of massive psychological advantage anytime they step onto the court, or the gridiron, whenever they play Michigan. Got to hope this team doesn't lay an egg against them again in January otherwise it's going to make an already long offseason even longer.
December 5th, 2017 at 10:40 PM ^
Michigan always responds, but man—this issue always crops back up with this program.
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