Unconfirmed Report: Speight broke a vertebra
October 2nd, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^
100% agreed with this entire post.
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:53 AM ^
insead of remaining the qb against Purdue, I am going to begin to believe Michigan can never ever have good things. Our defense is proving to be one of the best in the nation (The best as of right now). All we need is an above average offense (we are Michigan, this shouldn't be that hard to acheive) and we can compete against anyone. Unfortunately, I believe this is the beginning of the end for Speight.
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:55 AM ^
With O'Korn last year, was that he knew there was constant pressure on him that he could be pulled at any second.
He played loose and free against Purdue. I think if he knows that it's his job and he does not have to worry about being pulled, he can play well.
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:58 AM ^
and I sure hope it is truth. O'Korn definitely has the potential and he has been in collegiate football for 5 years now.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:27 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:38 AM ^
Basically, "Go in there kid, don't screw it up. Get this game won and then you'll get back to the bench."
If anything, that can be more pressure to deal with.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:02 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
he was the exact same thing at Houston. He was fucking awful at Houston and threw more INTs than TDs that led to his benching.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:06 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:35 AM ^
That stuff affects actual passes. Having no pocket presence, and running backwards for 20 yards, has nothing to do with the weather. That IU game was just putrid.
Lets hope his Purdue game is more reflective of his skill level and ability to lead the offense...
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
Against you that he didn't have good pocket awareness last year.
But weather like that affects everything. It can make the best QBs or RBs in the world look terrible. J.T. Barrett took a 10-0 team into MSU in 2015 and looked like he couldn't complete a 3 yard pass.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
Granted, the weather doesn't impact pocket presense and running backwards directly. But, I wonder if we sometimes miss subtle links. Things like the doubt crappy weather puts into the mind of the qb about throwing could manifest itself in other, weird ways.
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^
Yes, we all hope our quarterback plays well instead of poorly . . .
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:55 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:57 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:21 AM ^
First thing is I hope Speight is ok. I did not like how he was holding head down as he walked, but hopefully he is ok. The hit was late and flat out targeting if you want to call it that. That is a suspension and fine in the nfl. Hitting a QB sitting on the ground.
Secondly I really do not like the coaching staff at Purdue. Brohm is a piece of shit and kharma is breathing down your neck my man.
My third point would be I really don't think Speight was ever going to see the field next year even if he returned. Brandon Peters may be a little intreverted, but he is way more talented than Speight and so is McCaffery. I personally really like Speight and think he is a really good dude. I just don't think he will ever play QB for Michigan ever again. To much talent waiting in the wings.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
to speculate on your 3rd point.
I hope Speight gets well, comes in an competes, and if he gets his form back and beats out Peters and McCaffery, that he starts and leads us to the Playoffs.
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:59 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
Didn't umbig11 say it was only a 3-4 week thing (corraborating "soft tissue injury" more or less)?
I think this rumor has been pushed by a different alleged insider and the injury seems much more severe in his version.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^
Nevermind. Didn't see his latest round of comments.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
Dontchya just love it?
October 2nd, 2017 at 8:59 AM ^
really?
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^
Fuck Purdue
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:16 AM ^
With a rusty spork.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
The shitty part is that we don't play Purdue again until 2020. No revenge any time soon.
October 2nd, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
is not out of the realm of possibility.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:13 AM ^
is not soft tissue the last time I checked my Gray's Anatomy text and box full of notes.
What is not suprising, but is very disappointing, is the Big 10 office did not review this hit and communicate with the coaches about it. Speight was the definition of a defenseless player as he was sitting on the ground already down.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^
Speight could have easily passed an XRay with a hairline fracture that was not detected until he had an MRI, thus Harbaugh's comments of a "soft tissue injury" could have been true at the time based on XRay results. To date, Harbaugh has seemed to play gamesmanship by withholding information, not by suppling mis-information.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
Xrays when done immediately after the trauma may not always demonstrate a fine fracture. After a bit of time ( in some cases hours) there will be a bit of reaction around the break and the fracture becomes more obvious.
Sometimes the image is not the idea one and other structures in front or behind the key are obscures the fracture.
Sometimes persistant discomfort after the injury wil be a clue to re-image.
The key point is that plain x-ray can and do miss things without any conspiracy being involved.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^
Exactly.
Of course Harbaugh didn't make this up...that would have been beyond dumb as there is no way to hide this kind of info (if true) for very long. Its what he believed at the time simple as that.
And to be clear..I'm NOT accusing anyone of suggesting that JH made it up. Just a pre-emptive comment for lurking rival fans and sceptics amongst this fanbase.
October 2nd, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:18 AM ^
Speight did not break the vertebra in his neck. If it is indeed broken, Purdue DT Eddy Wilson broke a vertebra in Speight's neck.
With a late hit that was seemingly intended to injure. Let's call it what it is.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:17 AM ^
the news just keeps getting better and better this morning.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:19 AM ^
Calling the hit "egregious" or whatever. The guy just fell on top of him, made no effort to break his fall or avoid him -- had time to spread his arms out, which means he had time to pull his arms in to break the fall. He did the opposite.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:18 AM ^
And I guess it was of a defenseless player on the ground after woozily responding to a first hit and not expecting to get hit again in the neck area from a downward thrusting helmet. I thought it was a late hit as it happened and even worse now, obviously given the damage it has caused not only to Speight's immediate condition but future as an athlete.
I suppose others might say it didn't seem bad, but that is why any hit to the head or neck is dangerous when you aren't bracing for it, because you don't know what kind of damage the impact will cause. So. this is not only a big blow to Speight personally but the program as well, regardless of how you felt about his play this year, the kid was the offensive leader of the team, and now he look's to be unavailable on the field, possibly for the remainder of the season.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:30 AM ^
Speight was down, but it wasn't late as in Rashan Gary hitting the Florida QB late. That said, dude made no attempt to avoid Speight, on the contrary he splayed his hands and arms in an effort to pancake Speight.
How far we've come since the days when the Daydrion Taylor hit was seen as heroic and symbolic of Michigan's ferocious championship defense.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:41 AM ^
While Taylor did lead with his head, the crown of his helmet hit the TE's shoulder. The TE's face mask was hit by Taylors shoulder pad. It was a HUGE collision! But yeah, it would probably be called targeting today, and I wouldn't argue that. But I would say that Taylor hit his shoulder, not the head.
That Purdue player put his facemask directly into the back of Speight's head.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^
It was an absolutely unnecessary hit and should have been flagged as such. That Jeff Brohm is sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting, "La la la la la I can't hear you!" shows that he is no kind of leader and his top assistant looks to be mentally unhinged.
This is the big leagues, Jeffy. This ain't Western Kentucky.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:23 AM ^
And KILL Sparty
October 2nd, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^
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October 2nd, 2017 at 9:27 AM ^
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^
They likely go to all the same clinics, might even share coaches, and keep in touch both congratulating and commisserating as the situation warrants.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
See the tragedy of MSU's kicker last year - he was with the Wisconsin and Nebraska kickers when the car went off the road. They all know each other...
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^
Thinking more about this, let's hope this is just a rumor. Last year after the Iowa game, there were rumors all over the place that he would miss the Ohio State game and Bowl game and that obviously wasn't true. That said, umbig11 usually is dead on with the info he shares here.
October 2nd, 2017 at 9:31 AM ^
first response news these days. We are all citizen journalists, however, you don't confirm unconfirmed details by citing the rumors already reported as such on message boards. Last night's thread on the PSU game's starting time, another unconfirmed story, contained any number of comments referring to Speight being out indefinitely and O'Korn being the team's starting qb going forward.
So, now, that means the program will have to clear up those details in order to correct the record.