(Rivals) 10 5-stars in need of a breakout season
Intresting article on 10 previous 5-stars who need to impress this year.
https://n.rivals.com/news/ten-five-stars-in-need-of-breakout-seasons
List includes 3 former heavy recruited player so I thought it could spark some conversation. The three are Da'Shawn Hand, Kaisean Lucier-South and George Campbell.
These three could've heavily featured this year and would've gone a long way to lead this team. Hopefully they shine through this year.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:41 AM ^
I'm guessing Hand would have done really well with Mattison. Not sure we would have been able to do much with Campbell - it happens. I didn't feel like were were close with Lucier-South for some reason.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:37 PM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 2:22 PM ^
McDoom - if that's true, we shouldn't count on him as the slot god a few of us thought was arriving.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^
I don't know if he was slow played as much as the coaches didn't offer him as early as fans would like when called Michigan his dream school early in his recruitment. He sounds like the type of recruit who would have thrived under Mattison, as we've had several DL recruits who were considered inconsistent in HS and early college.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
star studded DL like Jon Allen and Tim Williams, but he was abe to play a lot as a backup DE. He's being looked at as a potential draft pick by the scouts.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^
No doubt he's a draft pick. I wonder how much money Bama's good engineering school has cost him in NFL signing bonus.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^
he'll be a 1st round pick.
August 10th, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^
I dunno, I'd take the burden of having 5* guys sit for a while if it meant I had the success Bama has had over the past few years.
August 10th, 2017 at 2:51 PM ^
Then the cream rises to the top and you have the best of the 5 stars
Unless they are getting massive amounts of transfers and lose depth, this model works fine
August 10th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
My takeaway is that Tennessee is wasting even more talent than I realized.
August 10th, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
when you're a life champion.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:53 AM ^
... that 4 of the 10 are DEs. Too small a sample to draw conclusions. In the many "ratings matter" analyses, has anyone done a "Ratings Matter" by position? I recall seeing something around Oline and RBs ratings having lower correlation to success, but don't remember anything about DEs.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^
My opinion is we are doing very well with our five stars who chose to come to Michigan. As evidenced by the recent commitments of two more five stars I think we shall see many more continue to fall our way.
The downside is, of course, we will be seeing a lot of them leave after three years for the NFL. That is a very good problem to have1
August 10th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^
Eh....our track record has been a bit spotty...
-Ty Isaac
-Derrick Green
-Kyle Kalis
-Will Campbell
Granted, those were all Hoke recruits, but Harbaugh hasn't actually had time to show his ability to develop his own 5* recruits.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^
I personally just pretend that Anthony Carter would have been a five star recruit, and look at how that turned out. I *think* he was very well regarded as a recruit, and certainly played a lot as a freshman, but as a middle schooler in the late seventies I didn't have the dough to buy a Rivals or Scout subscription.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
That's fair.
Again, though, recent history has not been kind to Michigan with 5-stars. Harbaugh needs to correct that.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^
Green certainly stings, even years afterward. Isaac is a transfer, I don't think that's a point against Michigan.
Jabrill Peppers was, before Gary, the highest rated athlete Michigan had ever landed. He turned out ok.
But yes, Michigan needs to land and develop 5-star athletes. It should continue with the DL this season.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^
As to your point, 5 stars aren't guaranteed success no matter who's coaching them. Even if they do play well under Harbaugh, they will usually face a lot of competition for playing time. Hopefully, we'll be seeing players like Hand that will have to wait their turn.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^
You're right. I should have put the qualifier "since Harbaugh" took over.
August 10th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^
Jordan Anthony this class is a comparable... 5-star to one site but 4 to the others and in the composite.
Peppers, Gary, and Solomon are examples of consensus 5 stars and they seem to be working out OK so far.
August 10th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^
Those Tennessee DL guys are in luck with Hoke coming in.
Then again, under him we saw Glasgow pass Pipkins.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:12 PM ^
I think that has more has to do with Glasgow being a beast + Pipkins having injury issues than it does with coaching. DL was always solid under Hoke.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
Can't say that coaching walk-ons into NFL draft picks is a ding on someone's resume, IMO. I don't think we can really say how much of our DL development was a product of Hoke vs. Mattison, but with those two on campus the DL sure did develop well.
But even with the best coaching not every player is going to develop as we think they will.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^
To be honest, after Martin and Van Bergen I was never overly impressed with Hoke's DL while he was here. They were pretty good at stopping the run but they could never generate any kind of consistent pass rush. Hell, at times they couldn't generate an inconsistent pass rush. It was just non-existent. And then of course when OSU came around whatever run defense we had was consistently annihilated.
I think his lines will be much better now that DL is all he's got to focus on, but still, his DLs here after his first year were very, very average.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^
Keep in mind that the 2012-14 lines had a mix of RR leftovers and youth, plus they were often paired with an offense that couldn't stay on the field.
August 10th, 2017 at 1:21 PM ^
Yeah. When Harbaugh arrived the DL he fielded in his first season was incredible. They didn't just develop all of a sudden under Harbaugh; they were coached up under Hoke/Mattison. Remember the first half the '15 season, when every game there was a new DL breaking out with a HUGE UFR? Yeah.
Henry and Ojemudia were both outstanding, and both played under Harbaugh for only one season. Wormley and Glasgow were ready to dominate when Harbaugh stepped on campus.
If Hoke had come back for 2015, the program would have been a disaster, but the DL would have been a bright light in a dark place.
August 10th, 2017 at 3:31 PM ^
Good analysis.
August 10th, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^
player who did generate a pass rush?
August 10th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^
August 10th, 2017 at 2:53 PM ^
A dick comment is going into a hello thread and disparaging a 16 year old kid who just joined the program because well.........starz!
Maiden (sorry autocorrect) is the one who thinks recruiting starz are so accurate, he should be here explaining away all these inaccuracies.
August 10th, 2017 at 12:46 PM ^
Looks like "The Mayor" has been recalled.