Grant Perry Arraigned for Sexual Assault in EL
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^
Was this known information and I just missed it? Or news that is coming out for the first time?
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:34 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^
Have to be honest, I am very disappointed with the staff that he was allowed back onto the field before this resolved itself.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^
I am not suggesting that they should have automatically kicked him off of the team. I am of the mindset that teams should allow the court systems to work themselves out before action is taken. I do however think that until it is sorted out, he should not be on the field. It works both ways.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^
NOT. Conclusion jumping is NEVER good.
Go Blue!
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^
December 23rd, 2016 at 2:53 AM ^
The big one isn't the sexual assault charge. The big one is the "felony count of assaulting, battering, resisting or obstructing an officer".
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^
But he was in the doghouse and/or suspended for a portion of the season because of this. If they were willing to discipline him based on the facts at hand, why would that change without him being cleared?
I am certainly in the camp that Harbaugh and staff are better than the scumbag coaches out there who will do anything to win. I do think he has a no-tolerance philosophy for actions like this (although using the LTT example is flawed, it was a felony after all), but the excuse of him waiting for the facts to come out is unjustified because he did discipline him, and did so for only 3 games and then allowed him back. It sends the message that "we think you are guilty, but are going to use the loophole of the legal system to play you against ohio state". Who are you all kidding? If this happened in Columbus or under Dantonio's watch, they would be crucified on this board.
The other end of the spectrum, which I am certainly hoping for, is that Harbaugh didn't know full details of what happened. If that is the case then the entire situation changes.
December 23rd, 2016 at 12:55 AM ^
You seem to have your facts confused, LTT was kicked off the team before he had even been charged and he didnt plead out until 4-5 months later.
The point remains that we dont know what happened with Perry or what the coaches knew or when, so making any definite judgment as to what the coaches should have done is premature.
December 24th, 2016 at 7:29 AM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^
If you read it. It seems clear that no charges were filed originally. Files were then followed through on it and the Staff jumped to and suspended him again. Seems more info came to light.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
I would like to find out more before a rush to judgement. The article makes it seem like an extremely minor infraction. He 'touched a girl' in line then ran from the police. Both charges are misdemeanors.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:47 PM ^
Well when one of the fat asses chasing after you trips and falls and breaks his hand they charge you for it. That's a felony.
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December 22nd, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^
SEC speed.
OSU recruits for it...And the old Miami and FSU teams were stacked with GAFAC (get away from a cop) speed.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^
The definition of Fourth Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct under Michigan law is:
- Sexual Contact (intentional touching of intimate parts or clothing covering intimate parts, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification) and
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One of the following circumstances:
- Force or coercion
- Victim incapacity
- Assailant is employed by department of corrections in which victim is incarcerated
December 23rd, 2016 at 3:07 AM ^
I must have been in a coma when the bar for acceptable behavior for Michigan athletes was lowered to allow fighting with police, and resisting arrest.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:47 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:48 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:59 PM ^
Having been once charge with a felony and everyone acting like I was guilty because of how the news portrayed it before I had my day in court. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet. I was very well known in my community and it was shocking what people came to my defense and which ones immediately assumed I was guilty without even talking to me. Luckily, my company stood by me until I was able to go to court and get cleared. But the damage to my name never really recovered.
1. I will never fully believe any news article (they completely fabricated my story). It's all about creating stories to make revenue.
2. Until I at least see evidence (I mean complete evidence, not just the part the news shows to support whatever they're saying, but the whole context), I won't condemn anyone.
3. We are supposedly a innocent until proven guilty system, even tho it really doesn't work that way unless you're rich or really well conected. I will not help perpetuate the way we act towards news of anyone as tho they are already guilty anymore.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^
I glad/sad to have someone mention what it feels like on the other side of allegations such as these. Although I believe rape and the like should be up there with murder and pedophilia on the crime scale, I also cannot imagine the impotent rage an innocent person must have, being accused of those same crimes.
Not to mention the side effects, monetary and relational.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^
Absolutely ridiculous sentiment at this stage. I fucking hate sanctimonius internet outrage.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
Yeah no idea what happened. I was debating whether or not to post it as it wasn't a LSJ headline (and thought people may have knew about it) or anything and I just somehow saw it browsing (live near lansing). I don't remember hearing anything about it.
Also I don't think the media may have known either(says he was arraigned Wed).
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^
This thread should go well...
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:34 PM ^
Well that's unfortunate...
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:34 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:44 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:15 PM ^
but also -- OK, no politics.
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 10:29 PM ^
This is incorrect.
In California, as here in the Midwest, sexual assault comprises non-consensual contact of areas of the body considered "intimate".
Arms are not considered "intimate".
The only touching any other part of the body in *might* be considered sexual assault is if it is done with obvious sexual intent (to arouse or self-arouse). The corrupt cop who felt up the leg of the wife of the man he stopped in the movie "Crash" could be an example of this. Still, it'd be difficult to establish or build a case on in court.
Simple google search, man. Even for legal statutes. Might be a good idea to confirm stuff before putting misinformation out there.
December 23rd, 2016 at 1:02 AM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
True, but he obviously has a future in politics...
December 22nd, 2016 at 3:42 PM ^
can't create the kind of arbitrary mechanism. You are talking about not only before he was convicted of anything, but before he was charged with anything. It is not particularly easy to find out what happened in an incident like that right away. Processing of police/incident reports takes forever, FOIA would probably not even get you anything for at least 2 or 3 weeks.
Essentially, a coach is relying on little more than the word of the player at the earliest stages of an investigation. Believe it or not, the police are not going to sit down for a breezy Q and A with Harbaugh about what did or did not happen. A two game suspension is not nothing. He was suspended based on what was likely a self-report that something took place and he probably legitimately did not know whether he would be charged at that point.
I think you can search for ways to impune the staff for their handling of this but I don't think there is anything there. He was suspended for disciplinary reasons based on the information they had. He was not charged and returned to action. Now he is charged and is indefinitely suspended.
It sounds textbook to me, really.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
For a low 3 star he gets into a lot of headache.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:40 PM ^
What else has he done? Not a sarcastic comment, I'm just unaware of any other offense.
Not saying this is OK at all - but at least it wasn't a Mixon, and at least he was disciplined immediately.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:38 PM ^
harbaugh already knows. this happened more than two moths ago.
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
Woof. Not very becoming of him. If found guilty, bye Felicia...
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
stop hitting people. aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
December 22nd, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
Not excusing this, but let's get some facts on the table.
December 22nd, 2016 at 4:34 PM ^
a table of facts instead?